Covid again in Nursing Homes

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by eyecu2

Political Boogeyman on vaccine should be ignored cause science and the math of vaccines have been long established since before Jonah Salk started on Polio.

Different vaccines work differently for different viruses, eye.

Salk's vaccine stops the polio virus dead in its tracks.

Covid vaccines merely suppress the covid virus and usually keep its symptoms mild, as you correctly noted in post #3. They are more akin to (annual) flu shots than a (one-time) polio shot.

Just because one vaccine acted like a permanent miracle protector, doesn't mean all vaccines do.

Joe Biden didn't understand any of these nuances. Either that or his advisers told him "we have to lie and deliberately overstate the benefits of covid vaxxes in order to convince everyone to get their shots".

[farmstud60]

Originally Posted by lustylad

Different vaccines work differently for different viruses, eye.

Salk's vaccine stops the polio virus dead in its tracks.

Covid vaccines merely suppress the covid virus and usually keep its symptoms mild, as you correctly noted in post #3. They are more akin to (annual) flu shots than a (one-time) polio shot.

Just because one vaccine acted like a permanent miracle protector, doesn't mean all vaccines do.

Joe Biden didn't understand any of these nuances. Either that or his advisers told him "we have to lie and deliberately overstate the benefits of covid vaxxes in order to convince everyone to get their shots".

Exactly, in fact when Covid first was reported they said it would be tough if not impossible to get a vaccine that would prevent covid because that type of virus mutates too fast.


The boosters given are already out dated as the Covid virus has mutated again. In fact it almost seems like those that get booster shots actually hurt their immune systems and odds of them getting Covid increase.

[eyecu2]

Just to be clear-

You guys are complaining about a vaccine that produces a less severe reaction from a virus after taking the vaccine vs
Not taking a vaccine. And the real gripe is this..


You feel lied to because as the virus was evolving and being understood, you felt that the word vaccine meant no contraction, vs minimizing the severity.

Is that the problem?

Despite Fauci and number of other doctors being on air about the "minimizing of symptoms" for vaxx takers.

They were on 24/7 and at least daily talking about that being the case.

Not sure where you all feel like the facts didn't change as the science followed the evolution of the disease and how/ when it's transmitted?


And let's not get started about masks...lol

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by eyecu2

Just to be clear-

You guys are complaining because...

You feel lied to because as the virus was evolving and being understood, you felt that the President of the United States, Joe Biden, told everyone the word vaccine meant no contraction, vs minimizing the severity.

Is that the problem?

Just to be clear... yes!!

And it's a big lie, not a minor one!

[farmstud60]

Originally Posted by eyecu2

Just to be clear-

You guys are complaining about a vaccine that produces a less severe reaction from a virus after taking the vaccine vs
Not taking a vaccine. And the real gripe is this..


You feel lied to because as the virus was evolving and being understood, you felt that the word vaccine meant no contraction, vs minimizing the severity.

Is that the problem?

Despite Fauci and number of other doctors being on air about the "minimizing of symptoms" for vaxx takers.

They were on 24/7 and at least daily talking about that being the case.

Not sure where you all feel like the facts didn't change as the science followed the evolution of the disease and how/ when it's transmitted?


And let's not get started about masks...lol

But the problem is there is no proof that taking the vaccine lessens symptoms. Those "studies" are made up bull pucky. As the virus mutates it naturally becomes less severe.


I've never gotten the Flu and I've also never had a flu shot.

I did get the first two Moderna Covid shot to become fully vaccinated, but I won't get any boosters as their is nothing about the boosters that does anything to help immunity.

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by farmstud60

But the problem is there is no proof that taking the vaccine lessens symptoms. Those "studies" are made up bull pucky.

That's not true. Death and hospitalization rates are much lower for people who took the vaccine versus the unvaccinated. Go back and read the links in speedy's post #10.

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by lustylad

That's not true. Death and hospitalization rates are much lower for people who took the vaccine versus the unvaccinated. Go back and read the links in speedy's post #10.

Thank you.

[farmstud60]

Originally Posted by lustylad

That's not true. Death and hospitalization rates are much lower for people who took the vaccine versus the unvaccinated. Go back and read the links in speedy's post #10.

I'm tired of reading links to garbage studies. I've yet to see a study yet that is remotely close to accurate. Most of the time there isn't a large enough control group. But you have to get to the details of how the study was done which is even harder to find.

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by farmstud60

I'm tired of reading links to garbage studies. I've yet to see a study yet that is remotely close to accurate. Most of the time there isn't a large enough control group. But you have to get to the details of how the study was done which is even harder to find.

That's because those studies were never actually done. From the very beginning of the Pandemic you may have heard or read that the SarsCov2 Virus that causes covid-19 was a Novel Virus. Which indicates the virus was never studied or seen as an infectious agent in human cell lines. With that being said miraculously a "Vaccine" becomes available in less than a year to combat a viral disease that nobody knows very much about. Then of course a bunch of studies pop up to give the vaccine scientific credibility. Nobody died of Covid in their homes. They died in the Hospital primarily due to poorly administered protocol rather than the disease itself.

[eyecu2]

I would say that the protocols for covid treatment went from widely unknown, to now fairly well administered and documented. Hence the survival rate increase. Just as any disease, the initial onset has high morbidity when the cure or treatment is being developed, but that doesn't mean it stays there. I won't get into the horse de-wormer side of this, but there are CERTAINLY studies of both pre- and post pandemic covid, and sure there were ppl who died both in hospital, at home, and in assisted care areas. Was it due to poor protocols? Some- or by mitigating factors etc., but to say that this was never studied is just pure baloney.

Also- the studies show that you're 2.5 or so times more likely to survive covid with a vax than without. It doesn't say you're gonna die, without, but that your symptoms will likely be more severe, and perhaps your immunity will be higher post that infection if you survive. The whole idea of vaccinations is to produce the immune response so you don't get the wholesale breakout from a virus from your system having no prior contact. Thats what saved likely many many thousands of lives- especially for the elderly population.

And as far as covid vaccines making your immune system more susceptible to covid- that's just bullshit. There is NOT ONE Scientific study that supports this.

More facts and myths can be found here;
https://www.mayoclinichealthsystem.o...myths-debunked

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by farmstud60

I'm tired of reading links to garbage studies. I've yet to see a study yet that is remotely close to accurate. Most of the time there isn't a large enough control group. But you have to get to the details of how the study was done which is even harder to find.

Probably ought to look somewhere else for your “facts.”

[farmstud60]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Probably ought to look somewhere else for your “facts.”

The problem has always been that the "scientific " studies have never been able to accurately count how many people have covid.



So lets say we 1000 people. 500 took official tests for covid and tested postive. The other 500 never had syptoms, and often were not tested for covid. But waste water studies showed higher numbers than actual tests would show had covid.


So in other words most of the " studies " that the vaccine posters love to post are really garbage studies because of lack of data.

[eyecu2]

A study is done on a representative group; or it will say a group that had tested positive prior. A representative group is a selection of random ppl within a designated age, demographic, sex etc. group that is indicative of the general population they are gaining information on. (similar to generic polls), but they are looking at specific health related topics IE covid in these situations.

It makes no sense to test ALL people of a demographic group, but rather a test group that represents the group as defined above. You cannot suggest that people who are NOT tested, are part of a tested group. THey would be considered as un-related and undocumented as to the general testing requirements. Outliers if you will. That doesn't mean that they would not be useful to judge against the other group, but it may mean a less accurate response, specifically if we are creating a hypothesis on the spread of covid, after testing positive for covid, or severity of disease after testing positive at least once for covid.

Those are two distinct groups- and likely if relating to an outcome of covid after testing once positive, would not be considered valid test participants. Hope that gives some clarity.

Plus as far as testing goes, the CDC and other organizations help to define what a test group is, and what are it's common characteristics etc., and for the financial part, it makes sense to make it a smaller group than 100% of the group size.

[farmstud60]

Sigh, so when 25% to 50% of Covid cases are mild or asymptomatic it throws off all the studies big time.


So you just throw out the people or demographic that doesn't fit the predetermined outcome that is wanted. That is what most of the Covid Vaccine Studies have done.

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by farmstud60

Sigh, so when 25% to 50% of Covid cases are mild or asymptomatic it throws off all the studies big time.


So you just throw out the people or demographic that doesn't fit the predetermined outcome that is wanted. That is what most of the Covid Vaccine Studies have done.

Easy for you to say (over and over and over).

Got any credible data to back it up?