Houston Cops killing unarmed and dangerous invalid...

[acp5762]

Originally Posted by theaustinescorts

"if it had been a weapon?"

"he cannot be judged by what was discovered after the shooting?"

Dude what country or planet are you living on?

If you or I were to blow someone away under any circumstances like these we'd have no defense....NONE.

My daddy taught me when I was 6 years old to never shoot at anything unless I knew what I was shooting at....duh.

What happened here is what happens every day with municipal policemen in this country. They are frightened and over-react and shoot at the first sign that there might be danger. Then when they start shooting they shoot uncontrolled and often don't stop til their clips are empty. They're just out of control in dangerous situations. Many policemen on our municipal police forces shouldn't be police. They are weak, frightened, very badly trained and even worse managed. Strong, confident individuals are not so prone to over-react with force. We need to get the wimps out of the police. It's the wimps who also over-react by brutalizing ordinary citizens who just don't want to comply. It's the wimps who become bullies because they're too scared to use normal caution or else they have something to prove....to themselves and their buddies.

Back in the days of the old west the most disgraceful thing anyone could do would be to shoot an unarmed man. But today it's just a mistake if you couldn't see all that well.

Well since Daddy trained you so well and there are so many wimpy cops out there that shouldn't be on the force, why don't you join the Austin Police Dept and show'em how it's done.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by theaustinescorts

Back in the days of the old west the most disgraceful thing anyone could do would be to shoot an unarmed man. But today it's just a mistake if you couldn't see all that well.

Huh? He had one arm.

He was waving what could have been a deadly weapon at another cop.

Apparently, you didn't even read the news article. The second officer was "trapped" and the guy was going crazy threatening the trapped officer.

Oh. In Texas now we have a Penal Code, which provides the circumstances under which a person can use "deadly force" in defense of another person..

Also, since you are such a history buff on the "old West" as it relates to "shoot and don't shoot" decisions AND you live in Austin, you must have extensive factual knowledge of Marshall Ben Thompson of Austin, Texas. He was around in the 1800's (considered by most historians to include the "ole West" era).

Ben Thompson admitted to killing 32 people (I assume all men) in his career as a Marshall in Austin, Texas. Having read about him a long time ago I recall that many of them, and some "unreported," were prisoners in his custody that he was transporting down to San Antonio in a "string," I don't think they were "armed"! What do you think? I just looked it up and Ben only lived to his mid 40's, when he was shot in San Antonio, and I haven't looked up just how long he was Marshall of Austin, but if he were from the time he was say 20 until he died that is more than one killing a year.

I don't know any HPD or APD officers with that many notches. Do you?

Footnote: Austin, I looked it up. Seems Ben was Marshall for just FOUR .. that is 4 ... years ... until he was killed so that means ... 32 killings / 4 = 8 a year!

Not all ole West guys were like Roy Rogers or the Lone Ranger.

[fetishfreak]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

Apparently, you didn't even read the news article. The second officer was "trapped" and the guy was going crazy threatening the trapped officer.

Oh. In Texas now we have a Penal Code, which provides the circumstances under which a person can use "deadly force" in defense of another person..

True the officer was trapped by a guy going crazy? He was in home for the mentally ill. He was a double amputee in a wheelchair. I live in Texas, if that man had invaded my home and had put himself between myself and one of my children like that I would be in jail right now if I had shot him. Had he been a civilian this would have been much like Trayvon Martin.

The FBI is supposedly investigating this. I do not hold out high hopes that it will go the right way but we will see.

As I said before the police should be held to a higher standard than this. This cop should be put in jail.

[fetishfreak]

http://www.khou.com/news/local/HPD--...170995041.html

Turns out this cop has a bit of a history.

[camouflage]

The man had one arm, he can either stab you (with a pen), or move his wheel chair, but not both at the same time. 2 Officers with 4 arms vs 1 armed, 1 legged man - had to resort to guns?
They couldn't just "disarm" him and take the pen away from him, he only has one arm afterall? No tazer, no pepper spray? I guess killing him is easier, how do you handcuff a guy like that to take him to jail?

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by camouflage

The man had one arm, he can either stab you (with a pen), or move his wheel chair, but not both at the same time. 2 Officers with 4 arms vs 1 armed, 1 legged man - had to resort to guns?
They couldn't just "disarm" him and take the pen away from him, he only has one arm afterall? No tazer, no pepper spray? I guess killing him is easier, how do you handcuff a guy like that to take him to jail?

Every thing here ... in this post ... was discussed .... above ...

.... and is based on after the event information ...

IMO ......... if it had been 2 doctors with CHL's who were involved ..

.... this wouldn't even be a thread!

Let FBI take a look at it (they presumeably know Texas law), even though they need to be working over in Libya to find out who killed the Ambassador and was it really over the movie none of the killers saw!

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by fetishfreak

. I do not hold out high hopes that it will go the right way but we will see

You mean .. the way you think it ought to turn out?

[fetishfreak]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

You mean .. the way you think it ought to turn out?

I mean the way that common sense dictates. I am consistent in this thread about calling for a higher standard for law enforcement and have said that they should be held to at minimum the same standard as our armed forces over seas.

I understand some people have a attitude to trust law enforcement is doing it right automatically. I am not one of them. There is a need for a measured response. No details have emerged that justify this case to be a measured response. Just two posts above you once again dismissed a valid argument by discussing an if scenario. I am discussing this scenario. I think this officer deserves to be prosecuted for murder and should not be allowed to hide behind a badge. I think that HPD is in need of a serious level of training and evaluation of its departmental policies with regard to situations like this.

I do not have high hopes that the FBI will come to the same conclusion based on the thin blue line mentality that exists in law enforcement. This is my opinion based on modern history of results of similar office involved shootings.

[fetishfreak]

I have been unable to find any follow up to this. Does anyone living in the Houston area know if the office involved in this shooting is back on the streets?

[theaustinescorts]

Originally Posted by fetishfreak

I mean the way that common sense dictates. I am consistent in this thread about calling for a higher standard for law enforcement and have said that they should be held to at minimum the same standard as our armed forces over seas.

I understand some people have a attitude to trust law enforcement is doing it right automatically. I am not one of them. There is a need for a measured response. No details have emerged that justify this case to be a measured response. Just two posts above you once again dismissed a valid argument by discussing an if scenario. I am discussing this scenario. I think this officer deserves to be prosecuted for murder and should not be allowed to hide behind a badge. I think that HPD is in need of a serious level of training and evaluation of its departmental policies with regard to situations like this.

I do not have high hopes that the FBI will come to the same conclusion based on the thin blue line mentality that exists in law enforcement. This is my opinion based on modern history of results of similar office involved shootings.

Most people think police are somehow competent and trustworthy, but in reality they're nothing more than puny little city employees...that's all.

The best film about police is "Serpico," which is completely true.

One of the first things that happens to Serpico when he goes undercover in street clothes is that two other uniformed officers almost kill him when they shoot at him without justification, and not knowing who he is.

Municipal police officers as a whole are weak, cowardly, comfort-seeking, risk-avoiding, corrupt and lazy....just like the politicians they work for.

Oh and another thing.....they lie a lot. They lie all the time.

ps....In the OJ Simpson trial it was established that most of the blood "found" by the LA detectives came from their own lab....it had additives put into blood samples there. The samples had been removed by one of the "Detectives" and then it was mysteriously found on Simpson's truck, gate, etc......

When the jury heard that it discounted everything else the Detectives said, such as where and when they found the gloves, socks, etc.

The OJ verdict was correct.