..more than sand in the box? 3 Revolutions

[dirty dog]

Guys you know we could always begin a violent uprising and then blame it on COG LOL.

[lacrew_2000]

I've used the term 'gradual revolution'. I think many of the states are on the brink of not participating in some of the latest programs, on constitutional (10th amendment) grounds. If these states just flat refuse to participate in Federal policy, something has to give.

Right now, Montana is thumbing their nose at federal gun control laws.
Right now, California is thumbing its nose at federal drug laws
Right now, at least 7 state attorney generals are banding together to fight the healthcare bill in court.

There are other questions out there: Why should my state foot the bill for Nebraska's medicare? Why should my state bail out California?

There is also allegedly a case weaving through the courts which may challenge the 'commerce clause', which is the basis for so much federal mandates.

It will take time...like I said, a gradual revolution.

[Omahan]

Originally Posted by lacrew_2000

Why should my state foot the bill for Nebraska's medicare?

Jeez crew! It's for Nebraska! Don't be such a tightwad! LOL

[lacrew_2000]

Oh yeah...fogot Omahan was probably from, well, Omaha. Will Nebraska at least send us a thank you note on nice stationary?

[Omahan]

Originally Posted by lacrew_2000

Oh yeah...fogot Omahan was probably from, well, Omaha. Will Nebraska at least send us a thank you note on nice stationary?

My God! You are high maintenance!

[Guest072311]

Originally Posted by lacrew_2000

I've used the term 'gradual revolution'. ....

Right now, Montana is thumbing their nose at federal gun control laws.
Right now, California is thumbing its nose at federal drug laws
Right now, at least 7 state attorney generals are banding together to fight the healthcare bill in court.

It will take time...like I said, a gradual revolution.

...'crew, what was your source for the information? That does look promising..

No - the silent majority is too lazy 7 38.89%
No - we don't need it, things are not that bad 3 16.67%

Yes - but it will be peaceful - yes we can.... 2 11.11%
Yes - but it will not be peaceful 6 33.33%

Voters: 18. Not a lot of input but the No's are ahead....

[lacrew_2000]

Here is an article about Montana's gun fight:

http://articles.sfgate.com/2009-05-1...-big-sky-state

Here is an article about the attorneys general opposing the health care bill:

I think it is well known that California openly defies federal drug law with medical use



http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...ryId=121869650

[Longermonger]

Who is the "silent majority" in the poll? Is it the MINORITY party? Because right now the majority is all Democratic, and will continue to be at least until 2012.

[dirty dog]

Originally Posted by Longermonger

Who is the "silent majority" in the poll? Is it the MINORITY party? Because right now the majority is all Democratic, and will continue to be at least until 2012.

Yeah and isn't that working out swell

[Guest052813-01]

Originally Posted by Longermonger

Who is the "silent majority" in the poll? Is it the MINORITY party? Because right now the majority is all Democratic, and will continue to be at least until 2012.

Actually, a Rasmussen poll taken late in 2009 shows that individuals identifying themselves as "conservative" are 41% of the population, "moderates" are about 26% and "liberals" are 14%, leaving 19% undecided or unknown. Or, as a Rasmussen poll determined last week, 53% of those surveyed oppose the work being done by the Democrats.

And I use Rasmussen because in 2006 and 2008, the Rasmussen poll was the most accurate in their poll figures matching the actual results in the elections of those years - indicating their sample sizes and polling methodology reflects a more accurate picture of public opinion.

[Guest072311]

Originally Posted by fritz3552

....."conservative" are 41%
....."moderates" are about 26%
....."liberals" are 14%,
....."undecided or unknown" are 19% .
....."oppose the work being done by the Democrats" are 53% of those surveyed .

back to Longers thought - 53% is a majority but that is not what the expression meant.
http://watergate.info/nixon/silent-majority-speech-1969.shtml

The silent majority is an unspecified large majority of people in a country or group who do not express their opinions publicly. The term was popularized (though not first used) by U.S. President Richard Nixon in a November 3, 1969 speech, where it referred to those Americans who did not join in the large demonstrations against the Vietnam War at the time, who did not join in the counterculture, and who did not enthusiastically participate in public discourse or the media. Nixon along with many others saw this group as being overshadowed by the more vocal minority.

This majority referred mainly to the older generation (those World War II veterans in all parts of the United States) but it also described many young people in the Midwest, West and in the South, many of whom did eventually serve in Vietnam. The Silent Majority was mostly populated with the blue collar people who allegedly didn't have the ability or the time to take an active part in politics other than to vote. They did, in some cases, support the conservative policies of many politicians. Others were not particularly conservative politically, but resented what they saw as disrespect for American institutions.

The silent majority theme has been a contentious issue amongst journalists since Nixon used the phrase. Some thought Nixon used it as part of the Southern strategy; others claim it was Nixon's way of dismissing the obvious protests going on around the country, and Nixon's attempt to get other Americans not to listen to the protests. Whatever the rationale, Nixon won a landslide victory in 1972, taking 49 of 50 states, vindicating his "silent majority."

The silent majority is an unspecified large majority of people in a country or group who do not express their opinions publicly or vote at the state national level thus not acting on thier feeling/beliefs.
http://www.pewtrusts.org/uploadedFiles/wwwpewtrustsorg/Reports/Election_reform/ElectionInReviewPDF%2520Final. pdf

About 60 to 70% are registered of those 18+. Registered voters cast ballots at about a 60% level. So doing the math, that is between 35 and 45% who do vote. So it appears a majority do not vote....silent majority.

Nationwide, nearly 61 percent of the voting-eligible population (VEP) cast ballots, compared with just over 60 percent in 2004.7 This was the highest turnout since 1968, when 62.5 percent of voters cast ballots.8 Overall, slightly more states saw their turnout rates rise since 2004 than saw those rates decrease. Twenty-nine states and the District of Columbia saw an increase, while 21 states saw a decrease from 2004.
Research into turnout patterns in 2008 will be undertaken in the coming months and years. Election experts have their own first-blush explanations that could shed light on why so many expected turnout to exceed 140 million ballots cast – and why the reality fell so far....