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Old 01-27-2013, 08:40 AM   #16
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You guys need to turn off the Fox News Nutwork once in a while...
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Old 01-27-2013, 08:43 AM   #17
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I haven't watched Fox News in over a year.........

And I won't suggest you turn off NPR; just that American taxpayers stop paying for government owned news outlets and such.
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Old 01-27-2013, 08:48 AM   #18
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Every time the left is exposed they squeal like the pigs they are.
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Old 01-27-2013, 08:59 AM   #19
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Here is a link to the entire book on line. After reading some of it, it looks like history from a different view point. He dislikes government and wants individual to control themselves. I don't know why sowell has a hardon for it. A lot of what I read would have many conservative supporters if they didn't know the source. A lot wouldn't.
So he wants to ban the book? What school has it on a mandatory read list? Why is he worried about a book that a minuscule number of students have read?
A book that poison the mind? More people are damaged by his columns than that book.

http://libcom.org/library/peoples-hi...es-howard-zinn
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Old 01-27-2013, 09:02 AM   #20
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Sowell doesn't want to ban the book.
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Old 01-27-2013, 09:44 AM   #21
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Sowell doesn't want to ban the book.
Howard Zinn was a communist. He was a member of the Communist Party-USA.

Howard Zinn's book "A People's History of the United States" is sort of a Bible to a lot American socialist/communists. Matt Damon even manages to work in a plug for it in the movie "Good Will Hunting." Matt Damon and Ben Affleck co-wrote the screenplay.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2cSB70ZjuM

http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/vernon/100809
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Old 01-27-2013, 09:57 AM   #22
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That is the lie the righties tell themselves.
Is it a lie, WTF?

Recall DC v. Heller, and how the case came to be filed. If the District was not afraid of armed citizens, why would they oppose giving Heller a gun permit?

Why has the left so long insisted that the Second Amendment protected a collective right, but not an individual right, if they were not intent on disarming the citizens?
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Old 01-27-2013, 10:00 AM   #23
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Is it a lie, WTF?

Recall DC v. Heller, and how the case came to be filed. If the District was not afraid of armed citizens, why would they oppose giving Heller a gun permit?

Why has the left so long insisted that the Second Amendment protected a collective right, but not an individual right, if they were not intent on disarming the citizens?
WTF does not speak for "the left."

According to Trendaway's definition, WTF and I are both Indy's!
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Old 01-27-2013, 11:48 AM   #24
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They played the "Uncle Tom" card. Next will be the "Cornball Brother" card. They will call me a "racist" for this post...fuckers
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Old 01-27-2013, 01:12 PM   #25
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They played the "Uncle Tom" card. Next will be the "Cornball Brother" card. They will call me a "racist" for this post...fuckers
I believe this thread was started by someone playing the "they hate America" card.

But that's neither here nor there.
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Old 01-27-2013, 01:38 PM   #26
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By Thomas Sowell:

American schools today are similarly undermining American society as one unworthy of defending, either domestically or internationally. If there were nuclear attacks on American cities, how long would it take for us to surrender, even if we had nuclear superiority – but were not as willing to die as our enemies were?

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/01/teaching-...C6taZr6Yt21.99
Yeah, more World Net Daily propaganda trash. He and you are basically attacking all our teachers and school administrators (not to mention our educational "elites" in our universities) as either traitors or too stupid to understand and stop a "conspiracy" that is foisting this upon us. Pathetic of him and you. I used to respect conservatives even if I didn't agree with them. Very sad.

Very few "lefties" think "American society ... (si) one unworthy of defending, either domestically or internationally." We just don't think Americans or America is perfect and we question the ways in which we defend America both domestically and internationally. Most of us, and the best of us, strive to understand how we can make America "A shining city on a hill" knowing that we are fallible and human and will never achieve that completely. We don't think going backward (nostalgically) will make America better and are just not satisfied with the status quo either, but we are hopeful, not fearful of the future and change.

The right today has become completely unfaithful to American and their own "values" because they continually demonize moderate conservatives (RINOs), moderates and progressives/lefties for having different views (and sometimes different lifestyles, religions and even physical characteristics) than they have and they are usually not willing to (now) even agree on a shared set of facts or trusted sources. The right today is against much of what it was for and even the ideas it came up with a decade or two before (so their values must have changed or been abandoned). The right seems to more and more want to only consider facts that support their own views. This led to their complete surprise in being beaten by Obama in 2012 (only listening to their own echo chamber) and if they continue will lead to the destruction of the Republican party (from within) and the loyal opposition (which has no longer been very loyal at all or very patriotic attacking on any issue including foreign relations and wars where they feel they can get an advantage).

It seems they have taken George W. Bush's famous, "you're either with us or against us in the fight against terror" and truncated the last five words and applied it to everything, even their fellow Republicans and conservatives. This is a movement, party and people driven by fear and fear alone and grasping for power by any means possible (the ends justify the means because they assert they are the only true Americans). Fear of anyone or anything different, fear of a loss of power and prestige, fear of foreigners, even fear of equality or new or different freedoms. It is truly sad when loyal, wise, thoughtful and even revered Republicans like Lincoln, Roosevelt, Eisenhower and even Nixon, and especially their views and policies, would be repudiated and labeled RINOs and unpatriotic in today's party. Completely pathetic and it goes to the credibility of anything someone like Whirly would post. With attitudes like that why would anyone give credence to anything they say or do?
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Old 01-27-2013, 02:09 PM   #27
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Wow! WTF and Big Tex insulted a learned black man. You know what they makes them in today's society. I can only laugh when WTF says things like people want to overthrow the government (and he means the right). The left wants to change the country and subvert the Constitution. The right wants to return the government to a smaller, more responsive government. I guess that scares someone like WTF.

Dr. Thomas Sowell is a great authority on his own opinion and is pretty sharp on history.
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Old 01-27-2013, 02:28 PM   #28
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The right has been " my way or the highway" for some time.Anyone who is moderate and willing to work with the other side is demonized.
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Old 01-27-2013, 02:57 PM   #29
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Wow! WTF and Big Tex insulted a learned black man. You know what they makes them in today's society. I can only laugh when WTF says things like people want to overthrow the government (and he means the right). The left wants to change the country and subvert the Constitution. The right wants to return the government to a smaller, more responsive government. I guess that scares someone like WTF.

Dr. Thomas Sowell is a great authority on his own opinion and is pretty sharp on history.
I'm not scared you silly sob, I'm more for personal freedom ans anarchy than either you or uncle tom sewell.
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Old 01-27-2013, 03:15 PM   #30
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My Brother says this...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaouMZGICcc
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