personal protection (mostly for providers to read)

[sexy_blonde_gymnast]

Originally Posted by B.Wayne

Ineresting topic. Protection is a pretty important issue. Maby some of the guys should start hiring 5 man tactical entry teams in case of potential theft/scams from unsavory ladies or pimps for those uncertain situations, because I'm sure most of the guys will have went through screening as well as the lady being checked into before either party meet eachother. But I like a little insurance too so I may look into this for myself. Always nice to know that I'd have backup right around the corner....too. Good idea SBG this hadnt really occured to me before.

Haha I'd go with hiring former S.A.S soldiers. They seem versatile and have enough humor to overlook the silliness of everything we'll put them through lol!

[skirtchaser79411]

the sas are some of the very best. always think double tap

[ginainthemorning]

I find screening is what gives me protection, if a man has provided me his full name, age, city and occupation, and then I have a few tricks I use to verify who he is, and run criminal background to see if he has any violent crimes on record. I find if I tell them, that I will require them to show me ID when we meet, then they usually don't try lying about who they are. I also use this info to verify who they are before I even give them my location. After I see a client, I never save any info other than the clients first name, cell # and email.
While some escorts won't give references, I give referrals to any client that I would be willing to see again, even if I have not seen them in years.


While I agree nothing we do is full proof, but people who are looking to rape or rob or arrest you, most likely are not willing to disclose their identity first. I do get frustrated when I read in many review sites the members are telling the guys to NEVER GIVE OUT THERE INFO, and I try to explain that if a escort does not require references or screening, then she has told every guy who has called which hotel she is at,and it now is not a safe location. I even got kicked off naughty reviews for promoting escort safety.

Lets also remember that we have 10 dead escort buried in Gilgo Beach in NY and God only know how many more throughout the country. If a escort doesn't value her safety, then she surely won't have any regards for the clients safety, and she probably is anything but discreet and is probably desperate and has some major issues or perhaps she is just naive.

Ladies always check providerbuzz.com for blacklisted clients as its FREE, and beenverified.com is a great way to run background checks, and another good one I use for the military guys is to make them text me a copy of their ID.

Meeting strangers is always dangerous whether your on match.com or a escort site. If a client has no regard for my safety, why would I ever allow them to come to my private apartment?

Originally Posted by sexy_blonde_gymnast

I was reading through the alert section and caught some deeply saddening stories about providers being robbed, raped and worse.
The problem is, being independent can leave a provider vulnerable and left to fate when it comes to matters of security. As many of you know, I am a major firearms enthusiast, owning several boomsticks myself. However, the reality is if I had a dead grip on an XDM everytime I was meeting a new client, it would be an uncomfortable experience for both the client and myself.
We all know mace is going to do little more to slow an assailant down, and tazers are iffy. Bringing a friend-turned-bodygaurd to every meet and greet is awkward for all parties involved and won't do much good if shit really hits the fan anyways. So what's a girl to do to keep herself safe in a non-invasive/disruptive manner?
Well, here's my advice:
Executive protection: Hire a professional. If you find the right one, a bodygaurd is a trained professional (typically with military experience) who has been trained to respond to hostage rescue situations if need be. Not to say a client-turned-nightmare is going to hold you hostage per se, but Holly's rapist for instance is a situation these people are no stranger to.
It's not quite what one might picture based on movie experience. I don't tote a bodygaurd with me to every meet. It takes a bit of coordination and effort to make a deal like this work flawlessly without being invasive to my profession. If I'm meeting someone I don't know, I let them know and they have a specialist in the area I'll be monitoring to ensure the meeting goes smoothly. The main one I typically work with is a former B.O.P.E officer from Rio De Janiero who worked as a counter-terrorist (neat huh?!). Knowing you have your own legal Jack Bauer ready to pull you out of a bad situation guns a'blazing is pretty comforting and lets you just relax and provide an excellent experience without reservation for security!
The fees I've arranged are nominal, they really let you 'reserve' them for a small amount, only charging a full fee if you actually require them to go all S.W.A.T team on some hapless jackass (which unfortunately I have had to do at this point, and all I can say is "woah"... wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of that ). But shopping around, as with anything, is always a must. One of the first agencies I reviewed was going to charge thousands just to keep me on standby...
So ladies, PLEASE, keep yourselves safe and happy. Piece of mind is too valuable for any bank account to hold, and being a nervous wreck around your clients isn't going to let you provide a great experience that you'll both enjoy.
Be safe!!

REMEMBER:

• From what I've seen, agencies sometimes say whatever to make themselves look meaner, tougher and more capable. Do your research and verify the agency to ensure you're working with people who actually have the capabilities they say they do!
• Shop around, some agencies seem to charge an arm and a leg to keep you safe. Explain (in vague detail of course lol) your situation and try to work out a payment that won't dent your budget to an insane level.
• Some agencies will actually do background checks at your request. Neat huh!
• Technology is crazy these days, and using it to your advantage can keep the need for a man-in-black to remain posted outside your hotel room door. There's OVERT and COVERT protection. You'll want COVERT. Nobody wants to look passed your curves to see a blackwater agent standing there just checkin' in lol.

[sexy_blonde_gymnast]

Originally Posted by ginainthemorning

I find screening is what gives me protection, if a man has provided me his full name, age, city and occupation, and then I have a few tricks I use to verify who he is, and run criminal background to see if he has any violent crimes on record. I find if I tell them, that I will require them to show me ID when we meet, then they usually don't try lying about who they are. I also use this info to verify who they are before I even give them my location. After I see a client, I never save any info other than the clients first name, cell # and email.
While some escorts won't give references, I give referrals to any client that I would be willing to see again, even if I have not seen them in years.


While I agree nothing we do is full proof, but people who are looking to rape or rob or arrest you, most likely are not willing to disclose their identity first. I do get frustrated when I read in many review sites the members are telling the guys to NEVER GIVE OUT THERE INFO, and I try to explain that if a escort does not require references or screening, then she has told every guy who has called which hotel she is at,and it now is not a safe location. I even got kicked off naughty reviews for promoting escort safety.

Lets also remember that we have 10 dead escort buried in Gilgo Beach in NY and God only know how many more throughout the country. If a escort doesn't value her safety, then she surely won't have any regards for the clients safety, and she probably is anything but discreet and is probably desperate and has some major issues or perhaps she is just naive.

Ladies always check providerbuzz.com for blacklisted clients as its FREE, and beenverified.com is a great way to run background checks, and another good one I use for the military guys is to make them text me a copy of their ID.

Meeting strangers is always dangerous whether your on match.com or a escort site. If a client has no regard for my safety, why would I ever allow them to come to my private apartment?

Well said, Gina! Screening is a prerequisite for our profession, and one that can't be overlooked. I'm always ready with backup either way, as 'Dune' taught me, "have plans within plans"!

[sexy_blonde_gymnast]

Originally Posted by skirtchaser79411

the sas are some of the very best. always think double tap

I wonder how much it'd be to find a French Foreign Legionaire... SAS or FFL? WHO'D WIN IN A FISTFIGHT!?

...I guess if all else fails, we could just hire some X-men.

[KenMonk]

I think if ladies also do their research, there is no need for a bodyguard/pimp. Staying in notels increases the chances of being a victim. Typically if you are staying in a nicer place, screaming, yelling, or making large amounts of noise quickly brings hotel staff. ALso these places have cameras etc so scum don't hang around as much. Whats the point in committing a crime if you are going to be caught.

Granted it isn't fail safe, but neither is a pimp/bodyguard. I think doing research, verify verify and verify some more, and staying out of shitty notel areas cuts the risk down dramically. Also ladies not being greedy little bitches and offering references, proper alerts and information, etc... helps.


Or maybe I'm full of shit and I have no idea what I'm talking about.

[KenMonk]

Originally Posted by ginainthemorning

I find screening is what gives me protection, if a man has provided me his full name, age, city and occupation, and then I have a few tricks I use to verify who he is, and run criminal background to see if he has any violent crimes on record. I find if I tell them, that I will require them to show me ID when we meet, then they usually don't try lying about who they are. I also use this info to verify who they are before I even give them my location. After I see a client, I never save any info other than the clients first name, cell # and email.
While some escorts won't give references, I give referrals to any client that I would be willing to see again, even if I have not seen them in years.


While I agree nothing we do is full proof, but people who are looking to rape or rob or arrest you, most likely are not willing to disclose their identity first. I do get frustrated when I read in many review sites the members are telling the guys to NEVER GIVE OUT THERE INFO, and I try to explain that if a escort does not require references or screening, then she has told every guy who has called which hotel she is at,and it now is not a safe location. I even got kicked off naughty reviews for promoting escort safety.

Lets also remember that we have 10 dead escort buried in Gilgo Beach in NY and God only know how many more throughout the country. If a escort doesn't value her safety, then she surely won't have any regards for the clients safety, and she probably is anything but discreet and is probably desperate and has some major issues or perhaps she is just naive.

Ladies always check providerbuzz.com for blacklisted clients as its FREE, and beenverified.com is a great way to run background checks, and another good one I use for the military guys is to make them text me a copy of their ID.

Meeting strangers is always dangerous whether your on match.com or a escort site. If a client has no regard for my safety, why would I ever allow them to come to my private apartment?

Verify yes, but getting my full name and enough information to run a criminal background check... not cool in my opinion. I'm not married, or have a girlfriend, and no one gives a shit what I do, who I talk to, or if I am arrested, but even I wouldn't offer up my full name to ladies, and there are several I trust completely.

If I were married, with kids, or had a job where this type of issue could be a problem, I would never even give you any of my real information. Some married gents offer it up, but its a big mistake in my opinion. One pissed off lady can ruin a guys life. References, reviews, p411, okays, and research should be more then enough i would think.

[sexy_blonde_gymnast]

Originally Posted by KenMonk

I think if ladies also do their research, there is no need for a bodyguard/pimp. Staying in notels increases the chances of being a victim. Typically if you are staying in a nicer place, screaming, yelling, or making large amounts of noise quickly brings hotel staff. ALso these places have cameras etc so scum don't hang around as much. Whats the point in committing a crime if you are going to be caught.

Granted it isn't fail safe, but neither is a pimp/bodyguard. I think doing research, verify verify and verify some more, and staying out of shitty notel areas cuts the risk down dramically. Also ladies not being greedy little bitches and offering references, proper alerts and information, etc... helps.


Or maybe I'm full of shit and I have no idea what I'm talking about.

LOL No, the way you're saying it should go is most certainly the way it should go. If girls would cough up references, alerts would be promptly issued, and names would be properly exchanged, then everything would run smooth and we'd all be 5 by 5.

But sometimes it's not that way. In fact, I'd say it's a 'wish in one hand/shit in the other and see which one fills up first' kinda situation.

As per considering bodygaurds and pimps in the same category, that's where we meet a stark and vast disagreement. Comparing those two or even putting them side by side is sheer ridiculousness.

Let's observe the two different archetypes on sheer sight alone and compare. Class, at the end of this example, let's see if you can point out the difference between a bodyguard and a pimp

Image 1


Image 2


Alright, put down your pencils, class. Can you tell me on sight alone which one is the pimp? Which one is the bodyguard? Which one is paid to remain professional and ensure the safety and (if need be) extraction of a paid client with no emotion or antagonism? Which one is known for manipulation, control, abuse and altercations? Which one completes courses of education for client safety, typically after military service? Which one is known for saying 'bitch betta have my money'?

To compare those two, or even to really be afraid of a paid professional bodyguard from a reputable agency, is to raise red flags. If you aren't intending on doing anything funny, then a bodyguard isn't really something you should concern yourself with. He's never going to come knocking telling you your time is up. He's never going to come demanding money from you or extort you later. Robbery isn't in his itenerary. It's not his job to know or care why you and I are there. It's his job to ensure security in a worst case scenario, and the removal of his principle in a threatening situation. Feel free to google some agencies for Executive Protection and further educate yourself. They don't get into fistfights over a price disagreement, that would ruin an agency's credability.

Take a moment to browse through the alerts section. Literally, 60 seconds. How many girls say 'I don't know how he got through my screening'? How many girls are victimized after dilligence and put through horrifying scenarios because they entrust a system they didn't create? It's a nice thought, really. To think we'll all have a safe, happy and fun time with nothing else happening. But reality shatters this utopian dream, and I'm not the kind of pussy to drink sour milk

In closing, let's all be verily aware of how silly it is to compare a bodygaurd to a pimp. You might as well be comparing a shotgun to a scalpel.

Class dismissed.

[sexy_blonde_gymnast]

Originally Posted by KenMonk

Verify yes, but getting my full name and enough information to run a criminal background check... not cool in my opinion. I'm not married, or have a girlfriend, and no one gives a shit what I do, who I talk to, or if I am arrested, but even I wouldn't offer up my full name to ladies, and there are several I trust completely.

If I were married, with kids, or had a job where this type of issue could be a problem, I would never even give you any of my real information. Some married gents offer it up, but its a big mistake in my opinion. One pissed off lady can ruin a guys life. References, reviews, p411, okays, and research should be more then enough i would think.

That right there is a dillema. I'd like to see where that debate goes, because you've both got good points. Anonimity is important obviously for the female's safety, but how can a client truely know his information is safe and confidential? If Ken gave out his full name, only to have some shady bitch try to use it against him, shit would get messy.

That's like a pro-choice debate. Maybe another thread created on that topic alone with cool heads working to find a solution. Great posts, Ken and Provider.

[KenMonk]

Originally Posted by sexy_blonde_gymnast

LOL No, the way you're saying it should go is most certainly the way it should go. If girls would cough up references, alerts would be promptly issued, and names would be properly exchanged, then everything would run smooth and we'd all be 5 by 5.

But sometimes it's not that way. In fact, I'd say it's a 'wish in one hand/shit in the other and see which one fills up first' kinda situation.

As per considering bodygaurds and pimps in the same category, that's where we meet a stark and vast disagreement. Comparing those two or even putting them side by side is sheer ridiculousness.

Let's observe the two different archetypes on sheer sight alone and compare. Class, at the end of this example, let's see if you can point out the difference between a bodyguard and a pimp

Image 1


Image 2


Alright, put down your pencils, class. Can you tell me on sight alone which one is the pimp? Which one is the bodyguard? Which one is paid to remain professional and ensure the safety and (if need be) extraction of a paid client with no emotion or antagonism? Which one is known for manipulation, control, abuse and altercations? Which one completes courses of education for client safety, typically after military service? Which one is known for saying 'bitch betta have my money'?

To compare those two, or even to really be afraid of a paid professional bodyguard from a reputable agency, is to raise red flags. If you aren't intending on doing anything funny, then a bodyguard isn't really something you should concern yourself with. He's never going to come knocking telling you your time is up. He's never going to come demanding money from you or extort you later. Robbery isn't in his itenerary. It's not his job to know or care why you and I are there. It's his job to ensure security in a worst case scenario, and the removal of his principle in a threatening situation. Feel free to google some agencies for Executive Protection and further educate yourself. They don't get into fistfights over a price disagreement, that would ruin an agency's credability.

Take a moment to browse through the alerts section. Literally, 60 seconds. How many girls say 'I don't know how he got through my screening'? How many girls are victimized after dilligence and put through horrifying scenarios because they entrust a system they didn't create? It's a nice thought, really. To think we'll all have a safe, happy and fun time with nothing else happening. But reality shatters this utopian dream, and I'm not the kind of pussy to drink sour milk

In closing, let's all be verily aware of how silly it is to compare a bodygaurd to a pimp. You might as well be comparing a shotgun to a scalpel.

Class dismissed.

You are discussing something that will and can never happen. First, its not economically viable for you, or most ladies to have trained bodyguards like you suggest. On top of that bodyguards want to see what they are protecting, and how does one do that without being in the room, somewhere close to hear or see whats going on, or watching remotely?

Secondly, most would define a pimp as anyone who profits from a lady escorting, or hooking, or whatever you would like to call it. A paid bodyguard falls into that situation, hell most would consider someone just giving you a ride and dropping youoff to be a pimp.
Clothing also doesn't determine who is a pimp or who is a bodyguard. You state that he won't coming knocking when time is up, so what if we are having a great time and I want to stay another hour and we work out some sort of deal. After 20 minutes he will get worried and just may come knocking. Or am i forced to wait while you call said "bodyguard" and inform him that things are cool and its gonna be another hour. Some may consider that unprofessional, not to mention a lack of discretion. All i'm saying is that you can't account for situations, and there is a thin line between bodyguard and pimp/boyfriend or whatever.

Nothing against you, simply stating my opinion on your post as quickly as possible... Walking Dead is coming on and I'm addicted to that show!

[KenMonk]

Originally Posted by sexy_blonde_gymnast

That right there is a dillema. I'd like to see where that debate goes, because you've both got good points. Anonimity is important obviously for the female's safety, but how can a client truely know his information is safe and confidential? If Ken gave out his full name, only to have some shady bitch try to use it against him, shit would get messy.

That's like a pro-choice debate. Maybe another thread created on that topic alone with cool heads working to find a solution. Great posts, Ken and Provider.

It hasn't happened to me, but I have heard one story after another of it happening to gents, ladies too. Ladies aren't immune to assholes being shade trees and using what knowledge they have as revenge or to get something out of someone. Going back though, I won't say that some ladies haven't tried to get information out of me, or have attempted to find out personal things about me. Its why if I take a shower I take my pants (wallet and other info in pants) to the bathroom with me, and place them in a location I can easily see. I've heard stories of ladies going through wallets/pants pockets while gents are in the bathroom etc. Its a viable concern, and for the ladies as well.

Ladies use fake names, why should gents be any different? Is a man any less safe going to a hotel, and entering a room where they dont know whats on the other side of the door? someone may be in the bathroom, in the closet or under the bed? Would a lady freak out if a gent walked the rooms, looked in hiding places, and made sure you two were alone before he got comfortable? If it would, then maybe you understand how freaked out a gent might get if a lady knew his name, address, place of employment, driver license number, car information, or maybe the wifes name?

There are two sides to every coin, while I might not be able to see the detail as clearly as you on one side, you can't see the detail as clearly as me on the other.

I know sometimes my text and meaning are cryptic, but thats half the fun no?

[thebodyguard_69]

Originally Posted by KenMonk

Secondly, most would define a pimp as anyone who profits from a lady escorting, or hooking, or whatever you would like to call it. A paid bodyguard falls into that situation, hell most would consider someone just giving you a ride and dropping youoff to be a pimp.

I have to strongly disagree with you on that Sir. I've been in the line of work of personal protection for too long to know that we don't make our profits depending on how well our clients, in this case an escort, succeeds or fails in their profession. If I'm hired by ANYBODY to protect them, they pay up front before any services are rendered. It's pretty much the same concept with an escort. If a client (that person being a "John"), wants time and companionship from an escort, they don't pay when the session is over, they pay as soon as the lady walks in the door!

This is that line that drastically separates Bodyguards from pimps...AND Escorts from Prostitutes.

Now in my case, I have (and still do) work for some escorts on this board from time to time. Take note how I pointed out the word "work for" and "escorts" because pimps don't work for their girls, it's the other way around! And 9 times out of 10 those woman aren't escorts, they're....(now you get my drift??).

I was a little insulted when you threw that word bodyguard/pimp around like we are one in the same so that's why I had to say something. We're absolutely NOTHING alike because a bodyguard is a professional and a pimp is a criminal. Simple as that....

[thebodyguard_69]

Originally Posted by sexy_blonde_gymnast

LOL No, the way you're saying it should go is most certainly the way it should go. If girls would cough up references, alerts would be promptly issued, and names would be properly exchanged, then everything would run smooth and we'd all be 5 by 5.

But sometimes it's not that way. In fact, I'd say it's a 'wish in one hand/shit in the other and see which one fills up first' kinda situation.

As per considering bodygaurds and pimps in the same category, that's where we meet a stark and vast disagreement. Comparing those two or even putting them side by side is sheer ridiculousness.

Let's observe the two different archetypes on sheer sight alone and compare. Class, at the end of this example, let's see if you can point out the difference between a bodyguard and a pimp

Image 1


Image 2


Alright, put down your pencils, class. Can you tell me on sight alone which one is the pimp? Which one is the bodyguard? Which one is paid to remain professional and ensure the safety and (if need be) extraction of a paid client with no emotion or antagonism? Which one is known for manipulation, control, abuse and altercations? Which one completes courses of education for client safety, typically after military service? Which one is known for saying 'bitch betta have my money'?

To compare those two, or even to really be afraid of a paid professional bodyguard from a reputable agency, is to raise red flags. If you aren't intending on doing anything funny, then a bodyguard isn't really something you should concern yourself with. He's never going to come knocking telling you your time is up. He's never going to come demanding money from you or extort you later. Robbery isn't in his itenerary. It's not his job to know or care why you and I are there. It's his job to ensure security in a worst case scenario, and the removal of his principle in a threatening situation. Feel free to google some agencies for Executive Protection and further educate yourself. They don't get into fistfights over a price disagreement, that would ruin an agency's credability.

Take a moment to browse through the alerts section. Literally, 60 seconds. How many girls say 'I don't know how he got through my screening'? How many girls are victimized after dilligence and put through horrifying scenarios because they entrust a system they didn't create? It's a nice thought, really. To think we'll all have a safe, happy and fun time with nothing else happening. But reality shatters this utopian dream, and I'm not the kind of pussy to drink sour milk

In closing, let's all be verily aware of how silly it is to compare a bodygaurd to a pimp. You might as well be comparing a shotgun to a scalpel.

Class dismissed.

Well said....

[sexy_blonde_gymnast]

Originally Posted by thebodyguard_69

I have to strongly disagree with you on that Sir. I've been in the line of work of personal protection for too long to know that we don't make our profits depending on how well our clients, in this case an escort, succeeds or fails in their profession. If I'm hired by ANYBODY to protect them, they pay up front before any services are rendered. It's pretty much the same concept with an escort. If a client (that person being a "John"), wants time and companionship from an escort, they don't pay when the session is over, they pay as soon as the lady walks in the door!

This is that line that drastically separates Bodyguards from pimps...AND Escorts from Prostitutes.

Now in my case, I have (and still do) work for some escorts on this board from time to time. Take note how I pointed out the word "work for" and "escorts" because pimps don't work for their girls, it's the other way around! And 9 times out of 10 those woman aren't escorts, they're....(now you get my drift??).

I was a little insulted when you threw that word bodyguard/pimp around like we are one in the same so that's why I had to say something. We're absolutely NOTHING alike because a bodyguard is a professional and a pimp is a criminal. Simple as that....

And you said my post was well said...

Damn. Just, damn.

[Alina Lili]

Screening is key. If anything happens, always run and scream "FIRE!" This is important, I live in Los Angeles and I cannot tell you how many times people will ignore "HELP" but won't ignore "FIRE". Another thing, my father taught me when I was a teen to make a semi-fist, use the inner wrist portion of your hand and hit the person hard in the lower nose region- or anywhere along there.

The only thing I know that works is screening and fire.