Would You Fire Her?

[Doove]

Originally Posted by awl4knot

what the guys would do if they found out that one of their valuable female employees was escorting on the side.

Originally Posted by littlemissk27

let's say you're a lady, working for a gent, and you find out he is hiring escorts on the side. Not EXACTLY the same deal, but should she quit working for him?

This is a hooker board. You'd get a far more interesting discussion if you posed these questions somewhere else.

[actionjackson647]

Originally Posted by awl4knot

I don't remember any discussions about this, but I am curious about what the guys would do if they found out that one of their valuable female employees was escorting on the side. Would you fire her as a potential liability to the company? Would you counsel her that if she doesn't quit she will be fired? Would you just ignore it and consider it to be her private business? Or would you enlist her to engage in a new level of customer development?

I am assuming that in an employment-at-will state it is okay to fire an employee who is engaged in illegal activity, even if it is not job related.

And no, I don't have this issue in my office.

Awl4knot

i actually was in this situation once. a woman I employed was escorting on the side. When I found out about it I had a talk with her. I told her I didnt care what she did "off the clock" as long as it didnt effect her on the job performance. we ended up having a great relationship. she gave me the scoop on other escorts. we agreed that it would be a bad idea for me to see her "professionally" though.

she eventually quit to become a full time provider.

[Kaci Snow]

I do agree that if she is using company recorces for her personal bussiness that is wrong . If she is minding her Ps and Qs and doing her job correclty and nobody new hell yea let her stay .

[Eccie Addict]

Even if she wasn't using company resources for herself as long as she doesn't put the company name she works for in a position to be associated with her side job then I wouldn't see a problem. For instance, don't drive a company vehicle to a session, even if it didn't have the name on it. Other than that, I wouldn't have a problem with it....

[heidilynnla]

I would suspect, in the real world, I would get fired. Although I do a great job, I think my "side job" would never be brought up and I would be terminated for some other bs reason.

knock on wood....

[rcinokc]

If the 2 worlds became connected in any way, she would have to go. There's also a pretty good chance that if she found out that anyone in the office knew, she would give up one or the other.

[ZedX79]

Terminate her if it's well known. If more than one person knows, it will leak. Some idiot guy(s) will try to get favors out of it, harrassing her. Clients/vendors could find out (from the leak) and you most likely will lose business because of it. Some companies have anti-moonlighting policies

Texas is also an at-will employment state.

[atlcomedy]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

most companies unless very small outfits have agreements for employment that require an employee to get prior approval for any outside job, no matter if it doesn't conflict directly with the company. deliver pizzas, anything. Clearly she didn't get this approval, while the reason is obvious she could have covered it by saying she's "moonlighting" as say, a MaryKay independent rep which would be a pretty good cover story actually. employee-at-will means an employee can be let go with or without cause, this would clearly be "for cause" since this outside activity was not approved. Another plausible but more "suspicious" sounding cover job would be massage therapist but no matter the cover story she violated any employment rules presuming one exists. so fire her. Why? you are i'm guessing the owner or top manager of this company and you hobby. Why else would you be on ECCIE? perhaps your are an avid fan of Waco Kid's College Football Review? LOL but i digress. i also suspect you found out about such activity in part or in whole because you hobby, and that means if YOU can find out about HER she can find out about YOU. and blackmail you, or out you or both. If it came to light YOU were in the hobby, even if you are the owner and you technically can't be fired (you'd have to fire yourself, not likely) your business could fail because of such negative issues as the hobby. sucks but it's the reality of the "moral morons" and unfortuantely they outnumber us. If it comes out that you knew about this and did nothing to protect the company (assuming you are NOT the outright/sole owner) your boss would most likely fire you over it. so it could come down to you or her. Who's job do you value more? Fire her, tell her why without disclosing exactly what you know and cover your ass and send hers elsewhere.

btw the rather humongo Bank i work for WOULD fire me if i did not report ANY violations of the code of conduct, even if it was my boss or a co-worker, even if it occurred at social gathering AFTER HOURS. rather strict but it's the rules.

TWK makes a number of good points that have practical implications.

Folks, we live in the real world. Talking about what one should, would or ought to do is kinda moot. The circumstances - including organizational dynamics -matter a great deal. I can think of a number of circumstances that would change how I would react.

Originally Posted by Doove

This is a hooker board. You'd get a far more interesting discussion if you posed these questions somewhere else.

Agreed. Not only more interesting but actionable if trying to gauge fallout/implications with clients, suppliers, etc.

One other point: a lot of folks make such a big deal out of "legality" particularly as it relates to employment law. This state is "at will," this one isn't, fired "for cause" etc. In most cases when an employer wants someone gone they go, often with a nice settlement.

I'm guessing in this case the co-worker doesn't want to be outed publicly as a prostitute. Those cases where people stand on principle are few & far between.

[Reya Sunshine]

That would be kinda hott in a way though...like if you are a flower delivery guy and you come to a session in your little flower delivery truck and wearing your uniform and knock on the door all sweet and everything and bring me two dozen roses and we have love at first sight.

With my luck you're probably a plumber though and will bang on my door with a plunger while covered in crap.

Originally Posted by Eccie Addict

It may not be anyone's business what you do on your own time and I agree that it isn't but don't go doing things that could put the company you work for in a bad light.

There's not many things that would get me fired in my field of work and being a hobbyist is not one of them but if I did something like go to a session in a company van or uniform and it got back to the company then I would expect to be fired.

[TexTushHog]

Depends on the job. If she a youngish real estate agent, probably not. If she's a senior prosecutor in the DA's office, you bet your ass. MOst other licensed professionals will fall in the wide gap between. Also, how did I find out? How likely is it that others will find out? If a customer or regulator does find out, do I loose a small commission or a multibillion dollar contract spread over multiPle years. Way too many variables too answer.

[Old-T]

It would seem to matter what kind of business it is. In most businesses it should not be a cause for any disciplinary action, but there are some where it is probably a bigger issue: publisher for the church bullitins in town, child care connections some way, Disneyland greeter, etc.

It SHOULD be that if she does her job well, doesn't use company time or resources, it should be nobody else's business. But we all know it rarely works that way. Too bad.

[guest060112-3]

Originally Posted by awl4knot

Let me clarify the original post. Assume that she is not using business time or resources to further her side job. Further assume that she is a low volume professional, not someone who plays around and collects a few dollars here and there.

And Sugarbeth, please don't kid the kidders here. We all have heard that the money is for my companionship and time spiel, and no one believes that silliness will save you if LE comes a knockin' on your door. Let's be real; we are buying the use of fine sugar butts like yours.

Let me add this variable. Assume that the business is a professional services business where employees are licensed. Does that make any difference in how a manager should deal with the issue?

Awl4knot

Maybe you're buying sex, but that's not what I'm selling

So long as there's no issue with background checks with the licenses, your situation would depend on what would happen should she get caught. How big of an issue would it be then?

[labrat]

I own a business, so everything an employee does falls back on me personally in some way.

however, what an employee does on his or her own time is there business and none of my concern. it is only my concern when the carry over from their private lives intrude in my workplace.

I encourage all employees to play smart and safe on their own time.

[awl4knot]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

.... Why? you are i'm guessing the owner or top manager of this company and you hobby. Why else would you be on ECCIE? ... i also suspect you found out about such activity in part or in whole because you hobby, and that means if YOU can find out about HER she can find out about YOU. and blackmail you, or out you or both. If it came to light YOU were in the hobby, even if you are the owner and you technically can't be fired (you'd have to fire yourself, not likely) your business could fail because of such negative issues as the hobby. sucks but it's the reality of the "moral morons" and unfortuantely they outnumber us. If it comes out that you knew about this and did nothing to protect the company (assuming you are NOT the outright/sole owner) your boss would most likely fire you over it. so it could come down to you or her..

Waco Kid, the only assumtion you got right is that I am a monger. I don't have a hooker employee and I am not worried about firing anyone. I know how to do that without a any real repercussions
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Originally Posted by Doove

This is a hooker board. You'd get a far more interesting discussion if you posed these questions somewhere else.

I must be a bit dense. How is this not hooker board worthy? There is a legal forum on this board, which I always ignore. I am asking about how members of the board would handle the situation of employing a prostitute. Where else can we talk about such things? Or do we need more threads about seeing providers in public without make up?

Awl4knot

[Eccie Addict]

Originally Posted by Hannah Heresy

That would be kinda hott in a way though...like if you are a flower delivery guy and you come to a session in your little flower delivery truck and wearing your uniform and knock on the door all sweet and everything and bring me two dozen roses and we have love at first sight.

With my luck you're probably a plumber though and will bang on my door with a plunger while covered in crap.

you have no idea how tue that statement could be, but no worries darlin' my plunger would be clean as a whistle since I don"t do service work...lol