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Old 09-25-2013, 02:34 PM   #16
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JD, Ex,

Yes, I understand the Senate is a per state allotment. But I would still argue that when originally developed there were common interests within most the individual states. Some were religious, some were economic. But I do not believe you had the disparity within any one state that you have in CA, NY, or FL now.

Additionally, because the population disparity has gotten so large (CA vs WY), I think it is distorting the original balance. If some of the more populous and diverse states did split it would reduce the likelihood of a few states dominating everything. That would be in the congress, but even more in the electoral college where in essence no one cares about the "3 electoral vote" states. How many people realize that in the "hanging chad" election Florida was NOT the last state decided, but rather New Mexico, whose meaningless three E.V.s were written off weeks before?

Having said all that the practical reality of the political food fight will almost certainly ensure that such a "re-stating" will never happen.
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Old 09-25-2013, 02:39 PM   #17
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P Rico is IN this country ??

gee, who knew?
Yes, it is, CBJ7.

"Puerto Rico is an unincorporated territory of the United States" (wiki).

Once again you personify ignorance, CBJ7.

Besides, it was meant as a humorous joke directed at WTF. Puerto Rico's issue is substantively different from this California issue.
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Old 09-25-2013, 02:41 PM   #18
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Yes, it is, CBJ7.

"Puerto Rico is an unincorporated territory of the United States" (wiki).
Once again you personify ignorance, CBJ7.

on an island, not (keyword) IN this country..... you need some geography lessons sport
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Old 09-25-2013, 05:02 PM   #19
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Once again you demonstrate how hard your head is. If you bother to read the article or others on this same topic they are looking to get maybe nine other counties to go along with them. That would get them the people (some of which are guardsmen who would probably get a promotion), the natural resources, and the financing to make a go as a state. You seem to think that someone would be pissed off and want to punishment them. The last two states were created in 1959. Now can you name the last state before that and how many years passed?


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I suppose the 44,000 residents could cover the 20% of the citizens Medi Cal costs to the tune of $37000000 per year. 45% of the residents make less than $25000 per year however, they are not reporting income generated from Marijuana farming and actual income could be considerably higher.
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Old 09-25-2013, 05:26 PM   #20
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Trying to split CA into multiple states has been going on since before it became a state. The original application had the area split into California, the northern part, and Colorado, the southern part. It was actually Congress as part of the Compromise of 1850 that made it a single state.

Also, the creation of the state of Jefferson would involve Oregon since the southern counties there are also involved.

Actually it was Arizona in 1912, with New Mexico joining earlier that year.
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Old 09-25-2013, 05:26 PM   #21
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If they have such vast resources, why do most of the CA counties involved in this have double digit unemployment? The primary resources/industries are some gold mining, recreation (mostly on US Govt. land), timber, and a couple of wine producing areas (Mendocino and the Willamette Valley). I don't see this as projecting into a near $100 billion GDP.
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http://www.redding.com/news/2013/sep...bid-secession/

Instead of going away another county has expressed interest in forming a new state. They will continue to look for some counties wanting to break free of land of fruits and nuts California. Notice how large their GDP would be if they did break free.
The county that wants to break away has a population of 9,400 people. Someone had better tell them about critical mass of your tax base. I seriously doubt if 9,400 people form a big enough tax base to provide the revenue needed to maintain all services and benefits.
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where does Wiki get it's info, Corpy?
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Old 09-25-2013, 06:30 PM   #24
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Instead of going away another county has expressed interest in forming a new state. They will continue to look for some counties wanting to break free of land of fruits and nuts California. Notice how large their GDP would be if they did break free.
is a group of neo-Nazi white supremacists trying to buy this county also?
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Old 09-25-2013, 07:17 PM   #25
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I think Texas should split into 5 states. Basically, I support peaceful revolution everywhere - the current system only benefits the wealthy.
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Old 09-25-2013, 07:18 PM   #26
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Imagine...bringing race into it. What a maroon.

A lot of industry in California is caused by environmental laws, stupid environmental laws. http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/openfo...ht-3383969.php


It was brought to my attention by a well meaning person

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_Kh7nLplWo
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on an island, not (keyword) IN this country..... you need some geography lessons sport
The definition of "country" makes no mention of contiguous geography, CBJ7. By your pissant definition Alaska and Hawaii are not part of this country, and Odumbo should never have been elected president, you inane jackass!

country noun

1. a nation with its own government, occupying a particular territory.
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so were you looking for the word "mainland" instead of island?
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so were you looking for the word "mainland" instead of island?

idiotboy is/was looking for the word STATE and found territory
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idiotboy is/was looking for the word STATE and found territory
"Idiotboy" fits you well, CBJ7. Especially since you personify ignorance. Puerto Rico is part of the U.S. and has been a part of the U.S. for well over a century, CBJ7. You should have learned that in grade school, CBJ7. BTW

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5 a : a politically organized body of people usually occupying a definite territory; especially : one that is sovereign

6 : the operations or concerns of the government of a country

8 : the territory of a state

Country was defined above, and Puerto Rico is a U.S, territory.

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so were you looking for the word "mainland" instead of island?
The word defined was "country", JCM800; not "mainland" or "island". Do you need glasses or just a refresher course in the 8th grade, JCM800?
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