OBAMACARE'S HEALTH-INSURANCE STICKER SHOCK !!!!!!!!! OR ANOTHER OBAMA TAX ON THE MIDDLE CLASS

[Yssup Rider]

You boys are mistaking health care costs with insurance costs.

Costs can be controlled. Greed cannot.

[CJ7]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

Maybe I'm lucky but my health insurance increased maybe $10 for 2013 over 2012, and about the same for 2012 over 2011, the same for 2011 over 2010.

Can you tell me how PERSONALLY your health care costs have increased in recent years?

youre asking whirlie?

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by CJ7

youre asking whirlie?

I try to give people the benefit of the doubt. Even Whirlie.

[Jackie S]

Our business Health Insurance will see about a 8 percent increase this year from last, but it has steadilly gone up at least 5 percent per year in previous years.

But keep in mind, we were already at the top rung of the payment ladder. I think companies that enjoyed a cheaper rate due to what ever reason are seeing more of an increase percentage wise.

I can say this. One of our largest customers, with about 400 employs, is going to pay the penalties rather than offer the insurance. But their workforce tends to be more in the line of unskilled labor than what we employ. They also have a much larger turnover in personnel throughout the calender year. They do not use a quality insurance package as part of a employs benefit package.

I say give Obamacare at least 3 years to see how things stabilize. If the cost of doing business then goes up substantially due to the mandates, then Companies will simply start passing the cost on to the next level, untill it finally ends up with the consumer.

[acp5762]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

My premium increases have been about 5% per year over the past three years.

During that same time frame the same procedures I have had (routine check ups/visits/lab work) have increased by as much as 15%. So costs have gone up dramatically - premiums paid and out of pocket expenses.

I've experienced something similar. I go for a yearly checkup every year. I pay a 25.00 co-payment through my Insurance. For the last few years though I've recieved a small bill, last year I got one for 3.60. I called my insurance Co. to get an explanation. They gave me a rather vague reason, they said my medical plan went over the deductable something to that affect, really didn't make much sense to me. I have had the same medical coverage for nearly 25 years through Blue Cross/Blue Shield, I know the costs over the years increase, but I have never had to add to my Co-Payments for Doctor Vists until these last few visits.

[CJ7]

Originally Posted by Jackie S

Our business Health Insurance will see about a 8 percent increase this year from last, but it has steadilly gone up at least 5 percent per year in previous years.

But keep in mind, we were already at the top rung of the payment ladder. I think companies that enjoyed a cheaper rate due to what ever reason are seeing more of an increase percentage wise.

I can say this. One of our largest customers, with about 400 employs, is going to pay the penalties rather than offer the insurance. But their workforce tends to be more in the line of unskilled labor than what we employ. They also have a much larger turnover in personnel throughout the calender year. They do not use a quality insurance package as part of a employs benefit package.

I say give Obamacare at least 3 years to see how things stabilize. If the cost of doing business then goes up substantially due to the mandates, then Companies will simply start passing the cost on to the next level, untill it finally ends up with the consumer.

pragmatic approach ...

[Whirlaway]

No matter how you slice and dice it; Obamacare will increase costs for everyone.....and quality of services and access to healthcare will go down for almost all.

Obama promised milk and honey; but in reality we will get a system that most despise and shifts costs to the elderly and middle class.

[CJ7]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

No matter how you slice and dice it; Obamacare will increase costs for everyone.....and quality of services and access to healthcare will go down for almost all.

Obama promised milk and honey; but in reality we will get a system that most despise and shifts costs to the elderly and middle class.

direct from whirlie-world


yaaaaaaaaaaawn

[Yssup Rider]

Have you thought about AARP Insurance, DOTY?

Or, going to Mexico for your meds?

Or, changing your diet and exercise habits?

Maybe then your health care bill would go down?

But no, you fuckers want the GOVERNMENT to take care of all of you!

Shoe's on the other foot now, isn't it?

BTW -- as a self employed businessman, my health insurance is outfuckingrageous! I'm paying more each month than an average fat hooker makes in a year! Even the BBWs in Austin!

I wish to hell we had a single payor system here in the US so I could get value for my investment in healthiness. I guess you guys don't consider it health care if you're healthy. But if you were healthy, had normal BP and cholesterol, then maybe I wouldn't have to pay so much to have YOUR ass treated!

EAT MORE BROCCOLI, DIPSHITS! And take a walk once in a while!

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

No matter how you slice and dice it; Obamacare will increase costs for everyone.....and quality of services and access to healthcare will go down for almost all.

Obama promised milk and honey; but in reality we will get a system that most despise and shifts costs to the elderly and middle class.

I have to side with Jackie S on this. Why predict the worst, gloom and doom, but instead wait and see how it works out. If Obamacare starts costing me a great deal more in the not-too-distant future, I will join others in condemning it. Until then, I'll pay my small yearly increases and thank the Lord that I have health insurance every time I see what my bill would have been without it.

[CuteOldGuy]

Just can't deal with the fact that Obama promised health insurance premiums would GO DOWN $2500. That, by your own admissions, was a lie. It was a lie in the beginning, is a lie today, and will be a lie when Obamacare "stabilizes".

Admit it, Obama is a liar. You've just proven it.

[Yssup Rider]

when did he promise that would happen, you lying sack of shit? Before or after he got cock blocked by your friends in Congress?

[Yssup Rider]

when did he promise that would happen, you lying sack of shit? Before or after he got cock blocked by your friends in Congress?

[CuteOldGuy]

Uh, he got what he wanted, Assup. No one stopped him, although we tried. But you don't like to acknowledge facts. You'd rather shout "Liar" when you can't produce any lies, or playground "homo" and "dick" jokes. I guess that's why you were named . . .

DIPSHIT OF THE YEAR 2013

ASSUP!!!

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

Just can't deal with the fact that Obama promised health insurance premiums would GO DOWN $2500. That, by your own admissions, was a lie. It was a lie in the beginning, is a lie today, and will be a lie when Obamacare "stabilizes".

Admit it, Obama is a liar. You've just proven it.

I obviously don't follow politics as closely as I should. I don't remember him promising ME that my health insurance premiums would go down by $2500. Especiallly since I don't pay that much right now. Can you cite an article that shows us that promise and to whom he was promising it?