Joe Biden was denied communion at Catholic Church in S. Carolina.

[matchingmole]

Originally Posted by Austin Ellen

Ouch.
That's not good. There goes the Catholic vote.


https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/29/polit...rch/index.html

Wafer shortage

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by Austin Ellen

Ouch.
That's not good. There goes the Catholic vote.


https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/29/polit...rch/index.html

I don't agree with what the church did. Biden should have been allowed to to receive the Eucharist.

[oeb11]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

You are not going to find a Catholic priest state he supports abortion. However, you will find that Catholics in this country in general are split on the abortion issue:

https://www.pewforum.org/religious-l...bout-abortion/

OEB, on this issue the Catholic church is VERY specific. Abortion is not supported under any conditions.

Thanks SR - I am not conversant with the specifics and details of Catholic Church dogma and theology.



To clarify my point - I meant that I think that the Catholic people will have varying points of view of their own to each individual on the abortion issue. Church dogma does not represent a monolithic opinion of all Catholics, nor a monolithic voting bloc. Ii would think there are those Catholics who would support abortion in the cases of rape, incest, or threat to the life and /or health of the mother.

Thank You, Sir.

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

You are not going to find a Catholic priest state he supports abortion. However, you will find that Catholics in this country in general are split on the abortion issue:

https://www.pewforum.org/religious-l...bout-abortion/

OEB, on this issue the Catholic church is VERY specific. Abortion is not supported under any conditions.

No body should support abortion.

[oeb11]

TWK - thanks for bringing back the MAGA girl!
If only momentarily - look forward to seeing her again.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by matchingmole

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[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by oeb11

Thanks SR - I am not conversant with the specifics and details of Catholic Church dogma and theology.



To clarify my point - I meant that I think that the Catholic people will have varying points of view of their own to each individual on the abortion issue. Church dogma does not represent a monolithic opinion of all Catholics, nor a monolithic voting bloc. Ii would think there are those Catholics who would support abortion in the cases of rape, incest, or threat to the life and /or health of the mother.

Thank You, Sir.

As I pointed out in the link I cited, many Catholics disagree with the Catholic Church's position on abortion.

A long time ago when I was marrying a Catholic girl (I was not Catholic) we met with a priest prior to the marriage. The Catholic Church did not support birth control and I believe it still does not. The priest's position was to "user your own conscience".

The Catholic church has changed its position on many issues over the years. Abortion is the one issue on which it has not changed.

[Chung Tran]

Originally Posted by Levianon17

I don't agree with what the church did. Biden should have been allowed to to receive the Eucharist.

Originally Posted by Levianon17

No body should support abortion.

this appears contradictory.. why do you disagree with the Church's action?

[matchingmole]

Originally Posted by Levianon17

No body should support abortion.

Agreed...but it happens. Whether legal or not

[matchingmole]

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by Levianon17

No body should support abortion.

sorry fellow brother of the MAGA but i can't agree with that. you mean under no circumstance at all?

not forcible rape? not at clear risk of the mother's life? not if the fetus is known to suffer severe birth defects?

i think the above should be an absolute right for women. i do not agree with the government funding abortion. i also do not agree with the government over-regulating abortion to the point where Roe v Wade is impossible.

i'm fine with the current two trimester rule. beyond that, No. 6 months is more than enough for a woman to decide her options including what options there are with the man involved. and many times that's the reason for an abortion. i also think a man has no legal right to force a woman to have a child on his behalf no matter what. he can sign in blood to take the child without any responsibility to the woman and it still doesn't count.

of course a man can't stop a woman from having a child either. works both ways. she can raise the child or if her moral/religious compass dictates give it up for adoption.

as a staunch republican/libertarian conservative i am unfortunately an outlier as an atheist.

at best religion is a fairy tale designed to give man false hope of something better than the miserable existence of limited life. at worst it's Islam. bahaaa

[Jackie S]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

The Catholic church has changed its position on many issues over the years. Abortion is the one issue on which it has not changed.

The Catholic Church is a sham. It always has been.

When you can change your beliefs based on the changing times, your basic beliefs aren’t worth a bucket of warm spit.

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

sorry fellow brother of the MAGA but i can't agree with that. you mean under no circumstance at all?

not forcible rape? not at clear risk of the mother's life? not if the fetus is known to suffer severe birth defects?

i think the above should be an absolute right for women. i do not agree with the government funding abortion. i also do not agree with the government over-regulating abortion to the point where Roe v Wade is impossible.

i'm fine with the current two trimester rule. beyond that, No. 6 months is more than enough for a woman to decide her options including what options there are with the man involved. and many times that's the reason for an abortion. i also think a man has no legal right to force a woman to have a child on his behalf no matter what. he can sign in blood to take the child without any responsibility to the woman and it still doesn't count.

of course a man can't stop a woman from having a child either. works both ways. she can raise the child or if her moral/religious compass dictates give it up for adoption.

as a staunch republican/libertarian conservative i am unfortunately an outlier as an atheist.

at best religion is a fairy tale designed to give man false hope of something better than the miserable existence of limited life. at worst it's Islam. bahaaa

When a Pregnancy threatens the life of the mother for whatever reason it then becomes a medical decision. In cases where a women makes the decision to have an abortion based only on her personal preference then it becomes a humanitarian issue. When society becomes complacent about the subject of Abortion the chances are over time society may become complacent about other matters such as children born with chronic defects which limits their quality of life. Old age, euthanasia, putting down the elderly because of infirmity, dementia, ect. Society is already pushing the idea that it's OK for a women to choose what she does with her body through abortion. That same idea may evolve to families choosing what do with a family member who is incapable of making decisions, is infirm and has become a burden.