Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former - Albert Einstein

[joe bloe]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

Geez. After FastGoon's and Essence's posts, it makes even less sense. I think Joe was right.

It's for sure, liberal thought doesn't evolve. The whole idea of survival of the fittest doesn't seem to apply to the socialist philosophy. Through evolution, at least in theory, an animal adapts itself to it's environment so that it changes over time to be more successful based on what works.

Socialist policies fail over and over again. Every time they're tried they fail. The Soviets failed, Europe is failing, and because of the social welfare state America is failing. The socialists refuse to admit that their system doesn't work. They won't change their system based what does work. They won't evolve. Eventually, socialism will become extinct, hopefully it won't take another hundred years of needless suffering, but sooner or later the world will move on to another system.

PS
One possible exception to socialists not evolving, is Obama's evolving views on same sex marriage. He came for it, in the nineties, when he began his political career in the Illinois state senate. Then he came out against it when he ran for the federal senate. Then he came out in favor of it again recently. He's evolving all over the place.

[joe bloe]

The theory of infinite human stupidity is the cornerstone of Obama's reelection strategy. It's his only hope. The theory works perfectly well for Democrat loyalists, but it's not always successful with moderates.

[essence]

CoG, can you please clarify exactly what did not make sense to you in my post? Maybe I can try to explain it better if you let me know.

I can understand if maybe you weren't familiar with the words quantum chromodynamics. It is the theory behind quarks, which are the building material for protons and neutrons. They hadn't been discovered yet when you were at school, but also maybe science was not your forte?

Science evolves. The human condition evolves. Some things do not evolve. Even if they should.

[essence]

Originally Posted by joe bloe

Through evolution, at least in theory, an animal adapts itself to it's environment so that it changes over time to be more successful based on what works.

Joe, that is a gross simplification of the concept. An animal does not adapt to the environment. A species can change (mutate) and the mutations can be beneficial.

(don;t take that as a good description of evolution, go to my previous links for a much better explanation).

So, the point is, any political viewpoint can change and evolve, and many of those changes may be unsuccessful before a successful one emerges.

I don't think any political view is the same as it was 100 years ago, or if it is it is extinct.

Things which don't evolve (understand of the bible/koran, the constitution, the magna carta, health care systems) will become extinct over time.

As Jesus said, I bring new wine into old bottles (or something like that).

[CuteOldGuy]

You're an idiot, Essence. A pompous European with much to be modest about. I do know about quantum chromodynamics, string theory, Grand Unified Theory, and much more. I do not want to get in a discussion with you about anything. You have no credibility and you are simply not worth the effort.

Science doesn't evolve, we just understand it better. Science is a constant. Human condition doesn't evolve, it changes to reflect technology advances which advances based on the conscious decisions of humans.

Now you are trying to adapt evolution to areas where the theory was never meant to apply, which exposes your fundamental misunderstanding of the theory. It is a biological theory.

Now, just go have tea with some of your other pompous, European nitwit friends. Discuss your royal family's latest scandal or something.

[JDNorthface]

I decided a long time ago that a higher power (i.e., higher than man) must be responsible for the creation (and successive adaptations) of the world. Therefore, by definition, it can't always "make sense" to me; otherwise, I would be the higher power.

[joe bloe]

Originally Posted by JDNorthface

I decided a long time ago that a higher power (i.e., higher than man) must be responsible for the creation (and successive adaptations) of the world. Therefore, by definition, it can't always "make sense" to me; otherwise, I would be the higher power.

If you won't tolerate rude behavior, you may have trouble on this board. A better Gus McCrae quote for this board might be:

"A man who wouldn't cheat for a poke don't want one bad enough."

[essence]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

You're an idiot, Essence.

It was a simple question. You said my prior post made it less sense. I asked you what it was about my post that did not make sense. You have not answered my question. I was trying to be helpful.

Instead you resort to abuse.

So, again, what was it in my original post which did not make sense, and which you felt it worth commenting as such?

BTW, there are areas in which the evolutionary concepts have been applied which bear no relationship to the biological sciences. Evolutionary optimisation methods are a typical example. I myself hate it every time these methods are justified because 'it is like biological evolution'. One of the worst arguments by analogy you will find. I am not a strong supporter of these evolutionary methods.

ps you say science does not evolve. I guess your definition of science is not 'a body of knowledge' but 'a set of laws which is open to discovery'.

Human condition does not evolve? So the old dictum that you should choose your partner depending on the family background and intelligence and physical fitness does not apply?

My mug of tea and tea biscuit are right next to me. Earl Grey.

[CuteOldGuy]

I tried to engage you in civil conversation, but you immediately started in on our "fucking constitution" and our "fucking Declaration of Independence." Independence from Britain, I might add. You understand nothing about America, and even less about science.

Were the quarks there before we discovered them? Did the earth revolve around the sun before Galileo? Science doesn't evolve, we learn more.

Society changes due to the conscious decisions made by humans. We don't see all the ramifications of our decisions, but changes do not occur by accident.

I was right. You are an idiot.

You are not worth the time or effort. Go back to masturbating to your portrait of the Queen.

[essence]

CoG, so you can't answer my question?

[Can I Play Too???]

Originally Posted by JDNorthface

I decided a long time ago that a higher power (i.e., higher than man) must be responsible for the creation (and successive adaptations) of the world. Therefore, by definition, it can't always "make sense" to me; otherwise, I would be the higher power.

That's a good train of thought. Along those lines, I have to add that there is no such thing as perpetual motion. It is necessary to have a "primer mover", which is God.

[Can I Play Too???]

Originally Posted by essence

CoG, so you can't answer my question?

Please allow me to help my friend out here.

"I am the wisest man alive, for I know one thing, and that is that I know nothing."
-Socrates

Which in turn means:
"The more I live, the more I learn. The more I learn, the more I realize, the less I know.”
― Michel Legrand

[joe bloe]

Originally Posted by Can I Play Too???

Please allow me to help my friend out here.

"I am the wisest man alive, for I know one thing, and that is that I know nothing."
-Socrates

Which in turn means:
"The more I live, the more I learn. The more I learn, the more I realize, the less I know.”
― Michel Legrand

If Socrates was alive today, he would have to modify his observation.

"I am the wisest man alive, for I know one thing, and that is that I know nothing except that liberals are idiots."

[WTF]

Originally Posted by essence

To those of you who say 'it doesn't make sense' or 'it doesn't sound sensible to me', you would say the same thing about quantum chromodynamics. A lot of science is far from intuitive.

Only God can understand what they can not...or so goes their thinking.

They do not understand that there are other mere mortals that in fact do have a grasp of science and how it works!

[i'va biggen]

Originally Posted by joe bloe

If you won't tolerate rude behavior, you may have trouble on this board. A better Gus McCrae quote for this board might be:

"A man who wouldn't cheat for a poke don't want one bad enough."

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