Has Obama grown a spine?

[timpage]

Originally Posted by joe bloe

Anybody that calls the last four years a "recovery" is being dishonest. If a patient is in coma today and you come back four years later and he's still in a coma, he's not recovering.

We're not losing 700,000 jobs a month. It's not happening as fast as anybody would like, that's for sure. But, we are recovering. Housing market is up, foreclosures down, banks are starting to lend again. It will be a struggle but things are looking up.

Unless, of course, you are a republican. Then, everything sucks.

[Laz]

Originally Posted by timpage

We're not losing 700,000 jobs a month. It's not happening as fast as anybody would like, that's for sure. But, we are recovering. Housing market is up, foreclosures down, banks are starting to lend again. It will be a struggle but things are looking up.

Unless, of course, you are a republican. Then, everything sucks.

The problem I have is that these things would have happened had Obama done nothing. You can't lose jobs forever. Housing prices will find a point of equilibrium and banks will loan money. However, the democrats like to give Obama credit for what would be natural market results. What they ignore is the abnormally suppressed rebound of the market. Why has the recovery been so anemic? Although there is no way to prove it I suspect that the recovery would have been more rapid if Obama had done nothing. Historically the economy has rebounded more rapidly after a recession.

[joe bloe]

Originally Posted by timpage

We're not losing 700,000 jobs a month. It's not happening as fast as anybody would like, that's for sure. But, we are recovering. Housing market is up, foreclosures down, banks are starting to lend again. It will be a struggle but things are looking up.

Unless, of course, you are a republican. Then, everything sucks.

We are on the edge of an economic Armageddon and you think things are looking up! Obama has run up six trillion dollars in debt trying to spend his way out of a recession.

We're printing ONE TRILLION DOLLARS A YEAR trying to prop up a house of cards. We can't continue printing money much longer without severe inflation and skyrocketing interest rates.

The only way we can return to economic well being is to cut federal spending, not increase it. We need to grow the private sector economy not the government. We need more real jobs not more government makework jobs. The federal government is a cancer.

Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one.
Thomas Paine

[Chica Chaser]

Originally Posted by i'va biggen

Well we haven't started any new wars,like we did with the last one party rule.

One party? Here we go again....

Both houses of congress approved the declaration of military force on 9/14/01, three days after the al-Qaeda attacks in New York and Washington DC on 9/11. GW Bush signed it 9/18/01.

9/14/2001. Authorizes the President to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations, or persons.
States that this Act is intended to constitute specific statutory authorization within the meaning of the War Powers Resolution.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/107/sjres23/text

S.J.Res. 23 (107th): Authorization for Use of Military Force

STATUS
This resolution was enacted after being signed by the President on September 18, 2001.

PROGRESS
Introduced Sep 14, 2001
Passed Senate Sep 14, 2001
Passed House Sep 14, 2001
Signed by the President Sep 18, 2001
VOTES
Senate Vote on Passage
Sep 14, 2001 10:44 a.m.
Joint Resolution Passed 98/0

COSPONSORS
1 cosponsors (1R) (show)

Here, specifically is the vote in the Senate 98-0 (2 did not vote, Sen. Larry Craig- ID and Sen. Jesse Helms - NC)

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/107-2001/s281
That is every single sitting senator, Repub/Dem/Indep at the time, voted YES.
Interesting names on that list, in light of current events.

[TheDaliLama]

yeah but.........they were lied to.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by TheDaliLama

yeah but.........they were lied to.

... "deceived" ... "tricked" ... those sneaky little ignorant .... know-nothings ...

Pick one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...gence_agencies

[i'va biggen]

Originally Posted by Chica Chaser

One party? Here we go again....

Both houses of congress approved the declaration of military force on 9/14/01, three days after the al-Qaeda attacks in New York and Washington DC on 9/11. GW Bush signed it 9/18/01.



http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/107/sjres23/text


Here, specifically is the vote in the Senate 98-0 (2 did not vote, Sen. Larry Craig- ID and Sen. Jesse Helms - NC)

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/107-2001/s281
That is every single sitting senator, Repub/Dem/Indep at the time, voted YES.
Interesting names on that list, in light of current events.

thinking back was wondering who held the majority in the house and senate in '01.then there was the "un American" card that was played if anyone doubted what was being played out by the administration.

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by joe bloe

Obama's victory was not even close to a mandate. He won by 50.4% to 48.1%. An example of a mandate would be Reagan over Mondale 58.8% to 40.6%. Reagan won 49 states. Mondale was only able to carry his home state of Minnesota.

You cite two landslides out of the many in our lifetime. Dipshit.

YOUR IDEA OF A MANDATE IS WHAT YOU DO ON FRIDAY NIGHTS!

[TheDaliLama]

And a tail.

And some horns too .

[Chica Chaser]

Originally Posted by i'va biggen

thinking back was wondering who held the majority in the house and senate in '01.then there was the "un American" card that was played if anyone doubted what was being played out by the administration.

Yeah, 98-0 vote. Purely partisan with an Un-American card thrown in, Right. That is one history no one is going to rewrite, even as hard as the left tries. The facts are the facts.

[i'va biggen]

That is right no one wanted to be called Un American and soft on terror.so they all walked in lockstep to the biggest fuck up since Vietnam .

[Chica Chaser]

[i'va biggen]

Wish the right wingers on this board would take that to heart.good cartoon.

[joe bloe]

Originally Posted by Chica Chaser

Yeah, 98-0 vote. Purely partisan with an Un-American card thrown in, Right. That is one history no one is going to rewrite, even as hard as the left tries. The facts are the facts.

The facts don't matter much in politics, at least in terms of effecting elections. What matters is what the majority of the people think is true. The left controls main stream media, Hollywood, pop culture and the public school system; they get to decide what the majority of the people think is true.

The people are sheep and they're being herded over a cliff.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by joe bloe

... over a cliff.

There is no cliff. There's no bigfoot or Lochness monster.

Unfortunately, there are a growing number of voters who believe in Santa Claus: