Assumptions from lack of reviews?

[Guest121212]

Dondo, if the lady is brand spanking new to the endeavor and so green she pisses grass, and she immediately elects a no review policy, then yes, I would agree that would be a red flag . . .

In the instance of the lady being well established and respected within the community and her receiving continuous compliments in open and private forums, her electing a no review policy is probably of little consequence to her business most likely and frankly, she probably doesn't want the type of attention that an abundance of reviews can occasionally bring.

Keep in mind that a no review policy does not insulate anyone from a valid alert or from general discussion about their service, if it be sub-par or spectacular (especially in the men's lounge [so I am told]). It (the no review policy) only eliminates the formal review form from being used in the review section.

For the Escort or provider making the election of the no review policy, it has great consequences. She can not have an active Showcase and she cannot advertise in the threads specifically set aside for such notifications, so she most likely is very secure and confident in her performance and abilities, and secure also in her client base (or her ability to obtain new clients) to even consider to elect such a policy - further, she might be in a position to have to decline new clients or is simply so low volume that she doesn't want them . . . many ladies will only see one, two or three gentlemen a month as they may have a "day job" or significant other, etc. . . In any case, a no review policy says nothing about the legitimacy of a verified provider or their performance and in some cases it may infer that the lady in question is consistently a best choice.

I agree with bigryan, that this is a case where the initial logic does you a disservice - it isn't poor logic, but you aren't weighing all of the factors in your decision making. As such, you may be missing some of the better opportunities that you may have available to you, but you'll continuously miss them if you base your decision from a standpoint of whether or not the lady is reviewed - and continue to place such a strong emphasis on that factor . . .

As a real life for instance; when Plaza Escorts was active, ALL of their ladies were subject to a no review policy - however, it would be argued by MANY a gentleman here that at times, the best ladies available in the city were available solely - and exclusively - through Plaza . . . Many of whom went on to become some of Kansas City's best independent Escorts and providers, with stellar reviews here on ECCIE (and some without reviews - LOL) - ladies such as myself, Lori, Bristol, Alexxxis - and many more . . . and none of us were ever reviewed while we were exclusively contracted with Plaza Escorts, and none of us suffered from a lack of clients.

Good luck in your search.

Kisses,

- Jackie

[Guest102513-1]

Agree with comments in this thread...but I can understand a newbie's logic.

However some of the best providers in town have few, if any reviews. But I understand it takes time to figure who's who.

I don't know what ur budget is....but a nice starter, with almost a guarantee good experience is the agency EF...they have plenty of outstanding reviews, and from what I understand, they are fairly "newbie friendly"

Best of luck to you, and have fun!!!!

[Fastcar]

I like to post a review about a really great experience,but I am guilty of not posting a review about a less than positive experience. I suppose I fear retribution from the provider(outing ?),so it's easier to just say nothing. In the last 6 months,I have paid $400. and the provider never took her clothes off,received a HJ while another turned around and watched tv,been lectured about std's, been told I would be treated like a king and then watched them text throughout the session, and told I should try Viagra. The positives have far outweighed the negatives,but I chose not to publicize my "hall of shame".

[FireSerpent]

I think I know where you're comingfrom here. Here's the thing though, if a lady asks for a no review policy & advertises on this site or on other web sites (sometimes exceptions are made for a lady's personal web page) we do not honor a no review policy via the site. Having said that, this does not mean that a lady can't have an agreement with gentlemen who may have seen her that they not kiss & tell.

For some UTR ladies, this can be tough when coming out to the site. I recently had an UTR prvider ask for VP Status. She. Had no web prescense & no reviews were evr written of her tha I knew of. In such situations the vetting process can be difficult without prsonal involvement. However, in thi case, she had several clients on this board who were able to vouch for her, people who I knew & respected which made verifying her as a real deal provider a lot easier.

When I was a newbie, women who had no known reviews but seemed to have a long standing prescense on the boards gave me pause as well. My suggestion is that if you ever have a question about a lady & the type of experience she provides, ask your fellow hobbyists to PM you with what experiences they may have had with a provider which can help you decide if you'd like to see her.

To me, it doesn't matter if she has 100 reviews because people arehappy to talk her up or if she gets one a month. If the are a VP, they have a certain level of credibility for not being a cash & dash or LE... BUT a real provider. Her reviews speak to he experience she has had with others. I read those reviews & decde if the people reviewing her are those whose reviews & perspective I respect.

[Dondo7]

I've been thinking about what's driving this for me and I guess it's that I'm having trouble finding what I need in KC. Compared to some of my other stomps, (Miami, Denver) I had no trouble finding a lady whose services matched my interests. KC is a little different setup and have failed to connect. Judging by reviews, EF has always had my type of women (I have never used EF) but I have gravitated towards indies lately mainly for economic reasons. When using a service, I tend to tip a little more so EF starts getting a bit pricey for my situation at the moment.

[KenMonk]

Originally Posted by FireSerpent

I think I know where you're comingfrom here. Here's the thing though, if a lady asks for a no review policy & advertises on this site or on other web sites (sometimes exceptions are made for a lady's personal web page) we do not honor a no review policy via the site. Having said that, this does not mean that a lady can't have an agreement with gentlemen who may have seen her that they not kiss & tell.

For some UTR ladies, this can be tough when coming out to the site. I recently had an UTR prvider ask for VP Status. She. Had no web prescense & no reviews were evr written of her tha I knew of. In such situations the vetting process can be difficult without prsonal involvement. However, in thi case, she had several clients on this board who were able to vouch for her, people who I knew & respected which made verifying her as a real deal provider a lot easier.

When I was a newbie, women who had no known reviews but seemed to have a long standing prescense on the boards gave me pause as well. My suggestion is that if you ever have a question about a lady & the type of experience she provides, ask your fellow hobbyists to PM you with what experiences they may have had with a provider which can help you decide if you'd like to see her.

To me, it doesn't matter if she has 100 reviews because people arehappy to talk her up or if she gets one a month. If the are a VP, they have a certain level of credibility for not being a cash & dash or LE... BUT a real provider. Her reviews speak to he experience she has had with others. I read those reviews & decde if the people reviewing her are those whose reviews & perspective I respect.

This is what got me through my first provider experience. I have seen this provider twice now and the guys who suggested I see her via PM have suggested other providers that I plan on seeing sometime in the near future. While I may not be a respected hobbyist on this board, I am working on my rep lol.

I trust any beautiful lady here that is a VP but I will at the very least look for a review before I contact her.

I don't even fuck with BP if I can't find anything here on a lady.

[ss4699]

In my opinion a review only verifies activity - for both the provider and the client. It can give a level of service to a limited extent.

As far as not reviewing a "bad experience"? I give the lady a change to validate information contained in a review. Don't want an error in the data set at the beginning, of the review or the mention of a service that may not be offered on a regular basis. And I want to vbe fair in my evaluation of my actions and the providers activities - I know I misunderstand things easily.

Not doing a review? I have skipped a few, when there was a neutral or odd experience on a inital outting, but those seem to be rare.
Some ladies has requested no review. So people just do not like to be evaluated. Some people do not like to submit formal reviews or have them submitted - discomfort levels goes both ways.

I like to do reviews and I like letting a lady read the review. I will give her a chance to evaluate the experience even if it is not submitted formally.

And a lot of information is shared informally as most folks know. Those are still reviews as others have said!

Again, I could repeat many of the comments others have made, most have been right on from the general viewpoint, these would be specific to just me.

So the number of reviews for a specific provider may indicate quality of service or not. It may indicate the level of service or not. But no reviews is strange, and a NO review is never good for some one.

Don't like writing them? Don't like having them written about you? I have a feeling that is the usually feeling of most hobby folks on both sides. They are not easy to write or read from either side would be my judgement. They can be helpful verification and some cases evaluation, sometimes!

AND WHEN I CLICK THE SPELL CHECK BUTTON HERE, IT TELLS ME THAT THE SPELL CHECK TAB DOWNLOADS an add on program - it is not a local function for those that like spell check verified documentation of posts. My typos tend to have typos as well....big fingers flying make messy messages!

[jfarmer]

I normally dont write reviews unless I go outside the "usuals" feels redundant to review the same people over and over,so if I do see someone new I usually ask if they want a review,I leave it up to them,besides I really dont care how big of a number I have in the review section,however I will post in the Alerts section if I feel that there is something others should know..for the most part Ive been lucky in the aspect that Ive had all good experiences lately.

[JayceeRivers]

Much like Jackie I prefer little to no reviews. I don't have a no review policy persay but I tend to prefer no reviews. Mainly because I tend to be a YMMV girl. Some days i may be thrilled to offer greek. Most however no (thus no advertising for that service) sometimes I have all the time in the world and a hour easily becomes two without upselling or extra donations others I have to be home at a certain time. As a whole I like to enjoy my intimite encounters without recourse from one gentleman upset because another got something he did not.

I like discretion, I enjoy the fantasy of the ordeal and i dont want to have to think about the next person or who may or maynot read tomarrow what I did today.

On that note however I understand a review or two is occasionally needed so that one can establish themselves as someone who delivers on their promises and so potential future clientelle can gage what his date may be like.

[Guest080613]

Originally Posted by Jackie Devlin

Dondo, if the lady is brand spanking new to the endeavor and so green she pisses grass, and she immediately elects a no review policy, then yes, I would agree that would be a red flag . . .


Good luck in your search.

Kisses,

- Jackie

Jackie,

I'm pretty sure you already know this but since you brought up the no-review policy I'm mentioning it for others' benefit that might not.

#29 - Verified Providers who use the Showcase feature or advertise in our forums are not entitled to a no-review policy. Should circumstances arise which require or prompt you to request a no-review policy on ECCIE, please understand that enforcement of this policy also results in revoking of your showcase or ad-posting privileges. Ladies who have chosen a no-review policy on ECCIE may still post and create threads in any of the non-advertising forums on the board and will still have access to the girls-only areas of the board.

I know you don't have a showcase and I don't remember you ever posting an ad so your no review policy doesn't fit in this rule but for MOST providers here it will.

That said, if a provider asked me to not post a review (and it's happened more than a few times and others I simply won't post a review because I know they don't want them even though they've never said it) I will certainly respect that request and not review her.

Just remember, though, that things are talked about in the ML that while not a review can vouch for a provider or bring up issues that can hurt their business if they're not minding the store.

Jack

[Guest121212]

Originally Posted by ksjack

Jackie,

I'm pretty sure you already know this but since you brought up the no-review policy I'm mentioning it for others' benefit that might not.

#29 - Verified Providers who use the Showcase feature or advertise in our forums are not entitled to a no-review policy. Should circumstances arise which require or prompt you to request a no-review policy on ECCIE, please understand that enforcement of this policy also results in revoking of your showcase or ad-posting privileges. Ladies who have chosen a no-review policy on ECCIE may still post and create threads in any of the non-advertising forums on the board and will still have access to the girls-only areas of the board.

I know you don't have a showcase and I don't remember you ever posting an ad so your no review policy doesn't fit in this rule but for MOST providers here it will.

That said, if a provider asked me to not post a review (and it's happened more than a few times and others I simply won't post a review because I know they don't want them even though they've never said it) I will certainly respect that request and not review her.

Just remember, though, that things are talked about in the ML that while not a review can vouch for a provider or bring up issues that can hurt their business if they're not minding the store.

Jack

I mentioned those caveats (issues) in my previous posting (every one of them). It is true, that I have never created a Showcase, I have never placed an ad (at least not one that would violate the rule - especially as threADS, sig lines and links to other Websites are admissible) . . . but, I believe I have gentlemen clients that would respect my wishes and not write a review against my expressed desires at any rate (frankly, most all of my callers WANT to return [and they generally want to return often] - their writing a review that I would have taken down would limit or eliminate that privilege . . . ). I have a very strong track record of taking care of business - and while no one is perfect and we all have off days, I also mentioned that the no review policy doesn't insulate me or anyone else from an alert or from issues that may be discussed in the men's lounge . . . I'm a bit confused Jack, as that was all in my previous posting . . . BTW, I elected the NRP with T-bone and Becky the day I joined the site.

I'm EXACTLY like EVERY ONE of the other ladies here, Jack - I don't mesh well with everyone . . . no one does. But damn if I don't give every appointment 110% (and go far and beyond what many / any others here do in trying to give a consistent experience to everyone, regardless of our being a good fit together or not).

MY personal reasons have nothing to do with my inability to accept constructive criticism, or to be critiqued (or that I am a YMMV provider, I am not) . . . in fact, I ask my regular clients all the time if there is anything I need to improve upon. My issue goes all the way back to my being caught up in the review scandal in Arizona (Desert Divas) a few years ago prior to my moving back to the Midwest. I have written extensively about the issue in the national forums (Legal Matters). For me, it is simply a matter of discretion and insulation from prosecution. Knock on wood I have never run afoul of LE here in the Midwest . . . but the LAST thing I want is a prosecutor having access to review after review of me and attempting to present them in court (and precedence allows for their inclusion in some instances in many jurisdictions - especially if the review was mentioned in the booking of the appointment [sting] - not to mention even if the jury can't see them the judge did, he ruled on their admissibility) . . . Least of all, they (the reviews) would absolutely be admissible in any pre-sentencing report if I (or any other lady with reviews) were found guilty of a charge that required the probation department to write one . . . Frankly, I'll take the road of less legal liability.

There is enough positive discussion about me ROS/BCD (so I am told) for me to know that any gentleman that really wants (or needs) to know what a session with me is like prior to booking that he can get a pretty firm idea from information found in the lounge (or even inferred in public threads).

As for your comment: "Just remember, though, that things are talked about in the ML that while not a review can vouch for a provider or bring up issues that can hurt their business if they're not minding the store." . . . Well, there are many Websites that republish the entire contents of the ML and other ROS ([PRIVATE]) comments for all the world to see . . . nothing on ECCIE stays private, nothing.

I didn't mean to take your post towards me 'personally' - I just thought I would clarify things a bit . . .

Kisses to you Jack,

- Jackie

[Guest080613]

Originally Posted by Jackie Devlin

- Jackie

No worries Jackie, nothing taken personally. I thought that since it was being discussed about a no review policy, something I don't have a problem with especially in a case like yours where you're a regular contributor, it might be useful to post the rule.

The thread seemed to me like something newbies, clients and providers, might pick up on and read and maybe it will keep some of them out of trouble and if they do want a no review policy, what they needed to do (or more accurately, not do) if they wanted to play in the sandbox.

I don't put much credence in the number of reviews anyway. If there's more than a couple and they are from regular members here, that's enough to tell me the provider is legit at least from a cursory view.

Believe me, I'm well aware nothing stays private in the ML. Painfully aware you might say having some experience with someone sharing information from it to a provider and causing issues. That wasn't my point. The point is that even though someone may have a no review policy it doesn't mean they aren't discussed. That's all. Nothing more, nothing less.

My feathers aren't ruffled Jackie, I hope yours aren't either! (Unless, that is you'd like me to ruffle your feathers, but I think my hands and other body parts would be more fun than with words!)

Nothin' but love for ya'

Jack

[Guest121212]

The offer for you to ruffle me up with feathers has been on the table for quite some time . . . come visit whenever you may like.

Kisses,

- Jackie

[rharley]

why can't y'all write like this?

Originally Posted by Jackie Devlin

I mentioned those caveats (issues) in my previous posting (every one of them). It is true, that I have never created a Showcase, I have never placed an ad (at least not one that would violate the rule - especially as threADS, sig lines and links to other Websites are admissible) . . . but, I believe I have gentlemen clients that would respect my wishes and not write a review against my expressed desires at any rate (frankly, most all of my callers WANT to return [and they generally want to return often] - their writing a review that I would have taken down would limit or eliminate that privilege . . . ). I have a very strong track record of taking care of business - and while no one is perfect and we all have off days, I also mentioned that the no review policy doesn't insulate me or anyone else from an alert or from issues that may be discussed in the men's lounge . . . I'm a bit confused Jack, as that was all in my previous posting . . . BTW, I elected the NRP with T-bone and Becky the day I joined the site.

I'm EXACTLY like EVERY ONE of the other ladies here, Jack - I don't mesh well with everyone . . . no one does. But damn if I don't give every appointment 110% (and go far and beyond what many / any others here do in trying to give a consistent experience to everyone, regardless of our being a good fit together or not).

MY personal reasons have nothing to do with my inability to accept constructive criticism, or to be critiqued (or that I am a YMMV provider, I am not) . . . in fact, I ask my regular clients all the time if there is anything I need to improve upon. My issue goes all the way back to my being caught up in the review scandal in Arizona (Desert Divas) a few years ago prior to my moving back to the Midwest. I have written extensively about the issue in the national forums (Legal Matters). For me, it is simply a matter of discretion and insulation from prosecution. Knock on wood I have never run afoul of LE here in the Midwest . . . but the LAST thing I want is a prosecutor having access to review after review of me and attempting to present them in court (and precedence allows for their inclusion in some instances in many jurisdictions - especially if the review was mentioned in the booking of the appointment [sting] - not to mention even if the jury can't see them the judge did, he ruled on their admissibility) . . . Least of all, they (the reviews) would absolutely be admissible in any pre-sentencing report if I (or any other lady with reviews) were found guilty of a charge that required the probation department to write one . . . Frankly, I'll take the road of less legal liability.

There is enough positive discussion about me ROS/BCD (so I am told) for me to know that any gentleman that really wants (or needs) to know what a session with me is like prior to booking that he can get a pretty firm idea from information found in the lounge (or even inferred in public threads).

As for your comment: "Just remember, though, that things are talked about in the ML that while not a review can vouch for a provider or bring up issues that can hurt their business if they're not minding the store." . . . Well, there are many Websites that republish the entire contents of the ML and other ROS ([PRIVATE]) comments for all the world to see . . . nothing on ECCIE stays private, nothing.

I didn't mean to take your post towards me 'personally' - I just thought I would clarify things a bit . . .

Kisses to you Jack,

- Jackie

[Guest102513-1]

Unfornuately if we all "write like this", there would not be enough 'bandwith" (or whatever the right tech computer term is), LOL

And, of course, I'm just kidding, Jackie....as usual thks for sharing