Biden denies F'ing up the Afgan evacuation

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by CaptainTruth

All that bullshit you posted is worthless history, it was a different time, different stage of war. Trump surrendered to the Taliban and released prisoners.

BTW what happened to the Afghans that beat the Russians of all countries?

Today, 100% successful on time withdrawal from Afghanistan. War is over. Most withdrawals happen over a long period of time with no hard date to end. To miss that date would mean escalation of war into the next years. How many more soldiers would die and be wounded then? Biden would get blamed for all that.... So Biden said fuck it we are done, fuck Afghanistan we are out, toodles.

if you say so, shinepro


shinepro
BANNED

Originally Posted by shinepro

Mytho, oh mytho, my self esteem was never decided by what women or dudes think of me. I'm Shine and literally could care less about the opinion of this board. I'll leave for three days then show up with 5 threads. You think about me more than I ever would you. Toodlez...

bad move giving yourself away like that

[adav8s28]

Originally Posted by CaptainTruth

All that bullshit you posted is worthless history, it was a different time, different stage of war. Trump surrendered to the Taliban and released prisoners.

Trump did cut a deal with the Taliban in return for a ceasefire the USA would leave in the summer of 2020. Biden got one extension but did not want to get any others. I agree it was more Trumps fault than Biden's fault.

[tman1847]

Originally Posted by adav8s28

Trump did cut a deal with the Taliban in return for a ceasefire the USA would leave in the summer of 2020. Biden got one extension but did not want to get any others. I agree it was more Trumps fault than Biden's fault.

Sorry, but you’re as mis-informed as Captain “BullShit”Truth
Trump had a “CONDITIONAL” agreement with the Taliban


https://lordslibrary.parliament.uk/timeline-of-taliban-offensive-in-afghanistan/
link to a report by UK Parliament



Biden continues to lie that he was bound by Trumps agreement but he changed the withdrawal date.


Trumps agreement with the Taliban was based on them (Taliban) not attacking any Afgan cities



Biden ignored the Taliban's violation of the conditional agreement



February 2020
The US and the Taliban signed a peace deal during Donald Trump’s presidency. As part of this deal, the US committed to withdraw military personnel from Afghanistan by May 2021. This was subject to the Taliban upholding its commitments to reduce violence and cut ties with terrorists. The deal came nearly two decades after the US invaded Afghanistan following the 9/11 terrorist attacks in the United States by the Afghanistan based al-Qaeda group.
February 2021
Following his inauguration in January 2021, the new US President, Joe Biden, said that his administration planned to review the US-Taliban peace deal to assess if the Taliban was meeting its commitments.
April 2021
Following the review of the peace deal, US President Biden announced a full withdrawal of US troops from Afghanistan by 11 September 2021. President Biden said that the US diplomatic and humanitarian work in Afghanistan would continue.
The US withdrawal would be accompanied by the withdrawal of North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) military allies, including UK personnel. The UK military has been deployed in Afghanistan since 2001. Whilst the last UK combat mission ended in 2014, some personnel have remained as part of the NATO Resolute Support Mission (RSM). RSM was a non-combat mission aimed at training Afghan forces.
May 2021
Taliban attacks began to intensify. Incidents included a bomb attack outside a school in Kabul where 55 people were reported to have been killed and around 150 injured. Most of the victims were reported to be female students. Fighting also broke out between the Taliban and Afghan forces in the southern province of Helmand. Districts in the Wardak province near Kabul were also seized by insurgents.
June 2021
June saw the Taliban seize several more territories. Over 150 Afghan troops were reported to have been killed or injured, with fighting taking place in 26 of the 34 provinces in the country.
On 22 June, the Taliban took control of the main border crossing with Tajikistan, Shir Khan Bandar.
The United Nations Afghan envoy Deborah Lyons said that insurgents had taken more than 50 of 370 districts since May 2021.
July 2021
On 2 July, US forces withdrew from their main military base at Bagram airfield. This saw the majority of US personnel removed from the country, with some troops remaining to protect the US embassy in Kabul.
Several cities were subjected to weeks of sustained attacks, including Lashkar Gah, the capital of Helmand province, as well as the cities of Herat and Kandahar.
On 8 July, Prime Minister Boris Johnson announced that most UK troops had been withdrawn from Afghanistan. He said that the UK Government would now use “every diplomatic and humanitarian lever to support Afghanistan’s development and stability”.
August 2021
During the first ten days in August, the Taliban was reported to have committed several high-profile killings. This included murdering the head of the Afghan government’s media centre. This followed an assassination attempt several days earlier of the Afghan’s acting defence minister.
By 8 August, the Taliban had carried out a sweeping offensive through northern Afghanistan in a bid to encircle the capital Kabul. Kunduz City, an area in northern Afghanistan which has routes to major cities including Kabul, was reported to have been largely in insurgent control by this date.
The UK and US embassies in Kabul accused the Taliban of committing war crimes, including murders of civilians in Spin Boldak, an area in the southern Kandahar province. The Taliban denied these accusations, describing them as “baseless reports”.
By 11 August, hundreds of Afghan forces were reported to have surrendered to the Taliban in Kunduz. US officials speculated that the Afghan government could fall to the Taliban within 90 days. President Biden is reported to have urged Afghan leaders to “fight for their nation”, with Jan Psaki, a White House spokesperson saying:
[The Afghan National Security Defence Forces] have what they need. What they need to determine is whether they have the political will to fight back, and if they have the ability to unite as leaders to fight back.
The cities of Herat and Kandahar had fallen to Taliban control by 13 August. The US military estimated that Kabul could soon succumb to insurgent pressure. On the same day, the UK Government announced that around 600 members of the UK armed forces were being deployed to support the evacuation of British nationals from Afghanistan, as well as former British staff eligible for relocation under the Afghan Relocation and Assistance Policy.
The last major northern city, Mazar-i-Sharif, fell to the Taliban on 14 August. This left only Kabul and Jalalabad remaining under Afghan government control. President Biden confirmed that he would not reverse the US decision to leave Afghanistan (even though they violated the agreement) but said the US would deploy 5,000 soldiers to accelerate the removal of US diplomats and Afghan allies from the country.
The Taliban claimed victory of Kabul following the collapse of the Afghan government and reported fleeing of Afghan President Ashraf Ghani from the country on 15 August. The city of Jalalabad also fell to insurgents. In a statement published to Facebook, President Ghani said he had departed to “avoid bloodshed”.

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by TechPapi

Damn. Right up there with being called a "Nasty" person or having them make fun of any physical challenges.

Is that why you wear a bag over your head, TechPhony? Because you're tired of being made fun of?

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by CaptainTruth

The saddest thing is that trumptards celebrated when the soldiers died, it gave them reason to criticize the exit.

Spoken like a true POS!

Got a link to that, CaptainLiar?

[adav8s28]

Originally Posted by tman1847

Sorry, but you’re as mis-informed as Captain “BullShit”Truth
Trump had a “CONDITIONAL” agreement with the Taliban


https://lordslibrary.parliament.uk/timeline-of-taliban-offensive-in-afghanistan/
link to a report by UK Parliament



Biden continues to lie that he was bound by Trumps agreement but he changed the withdrawal date.


Trumps agreement with the Taliban was based on them (Taliban) not attacking any Afgan cities



Biden ignored the Taliban's violation of the conditional agreement



February 2020
The US and the Taliban signed a peace deal during Donald Trump’s presidency. As part of this deal, the US committed to withdraw military personnel from Afghanistan by May 2021. This was subject to the Taliban upholding its commitments to reduce violence and cut ties with terrorists. The deal came nearly two decades after the US invaded Afghanistan following the 9/11 terrorist attacks in the United States by the Afghanistan based al-Qaeda group.
February 2021
Following his inauguration in January 2021, the new US President, Joe Biden, said that his administration planned to review the US-Taliban peace deal to assess if the Taliban was meeting its commitments.
April 2021
Following the review of the peace deal, US President Biden announced a full withdrawal of US troops from Afghanistan by 11 September 2021. President Biden said that the US diplomatic and humanitarian work in Afghanistan would continue.
The US withdrawal would be accompanied by the withdrawal of North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) military allies, including UK personnel. The UK military has been deployed in Afghanistan since 2001. Whilst the last UK combat mission ended in 2014, some personnel have remained as part of the NATO Resolute Support Mission (RSM). RSM was a non-combat mission aimed at training Afghan forces.
May 2021
Taliban attacks began to intensify. Incidents included a bomb attack outside a school in Kabul where 55 people were reported to have been killed and around 150 injured. Most of the victims were reported to be female students. Fighting also broke out between the Taliban and Afghan forces in the southern province of Helmand. Districts in the Wardak province near Kabul were also seized by insurgents.
June 2021
June saw the Taliban seize several more territories. Over 150 Afghan troops were reported to have been killed or injured, with fighting taking place in 26 of the 34 provinces in the country.
On 22 June, the Taliban took control of the main border crossing with Tajikistan, Shir Khan Bandar.
The United Nations Afghan envoy Deborah Lyons said that insurgents had taken more than 50 of 370 districts since May 2021.
July 2021
On 2 July, US forces withdrew from their main military base at Bagram airfield. This saw the majority of US personnel removed from the country, with some troops remaining to protect the US embassy in Kabul.
Several cities were subjected to weeks of sustained attacks, including Lashkar Gah, the capital of Helmand province, as well as the cities of Herat and Kandahar.
On 8 July, Prime Minister Boris Johnson announced that most UK troops had been withdrawn from Afghanistan. He said that the UK Government would now use “every diplomatic and humanitarian lever to support Afghanistan’s development and stability”.
August 2021
During the first ten days in August, the Taliban was reported to have committed several high-profile killings. This included murdering the head of the Afghan government’s media centre. This followed an assassination attempt several days earlier of the Afghan’s acting defence minister.
By 8 August, the Taliban had carried out a sweeping offensive through northern Afghanistan in a bid to encircle the capital Kabul. Kunduz City, an area in northern Afghanistan which has routes to major cities including Kabul, was reported to have been largely in insurgent control by this date.
The UK and US embassies in Kabul accused the Taliban of committing war crimes, including murders of civilians in Spin Boldak, an area in the southern Kandahar province. The Taliban denied these accusations, describing them as “baseless reports”.
By 11 August, hundreds of Afghan forces were reported to have surrendered to the Taliban in Kunduz. US officials speculated that the Afghan government could fall to the Taliban within 90 days. President Biden is reported to have urged Afghan leaders to “fight for their nation”, with Jan Psaki, a White House spokesperson saying:
[The Afghan National Security Defence Forces] have what they need. What they need to determine is whether they have the political will to fight back, and if they have the ability to unite as leaders to fight back.
The cities of Herat and Kandahar had fallen to Taliban control by 13 August. The US military estimated that Kabul could soon succumb to insurgent pressure. On the same day, the UK Government announced that around 600 members of the UK armed forces were being deployed to support the evacuation of British nationals from Afghanistan, as well as former British staff eligible for relocation under the Afghan Relocation and Assistance Policy.
The last major northern city, Mazar-i-Sharif, fell to the Taliban on 14 August. This left only Kabul and Jalalabad remaining under Afghan government control. President Biden confirmed that he would not reverse the US decision to leave Afghanistan (even though they violated the agreement) but said the US would deploy 5,000 soldiers to accelerate the removal of US diplomats and Afghan allies from the country.
The Taliban claimed victory of Kabul following the collapse of the Afghan government and reported fleeing of Afghan President Ashraf Ghani from the country on 15 August. The city of Jalalabad also fell to insurgents. In a statement published to Facebook, President Ghani said he had departed to “avoid bloodshed”.

What I wrote lines up with the first part of your reply. Assuming you except "Cease Fire" for "reduced violence". Trumps deal had the USA out in May 2021. The Taliban ended the "cease fire" In May 2021 since we were not out when Trump said we would be out. Trump set a leave date when to be out even though his first term ends in Jan 2021. He was not a lock to win a second term.

Here is the first part of your reply. Not as misinformed as you state.

February 2020
The US and the Taliban signed a peace deal during Donald Trump’s presidency. As part of this deal, the US committed to withdraw military personnel from Afghanistan by May 2021. This was subject to the Taliban upholding its commitments to reduce violence and cut ties with terrorists. The deal came nearly two decades after the US invaded Afghanistan following the 9/11 terrorist attacks in the United States by the Afghanistan based al-Qaeda group.

[tman1847]

Originally Posted by adav8s28

What I wrote lines up with the first part of your reply. Assuming you except "Cease Fire" for "reduced violence". Trumps deal had the USA out in May 2021. The Taliban ended the "cease fire" In May 2021 since we were not out when Trump said we would be out. Trump set a leave date when to be out even though his first term ends in Jan 2021. He was not a lock to win a second term.

Here is the first part of your reply. Not as misinformed as you state.

February 2020
The US and the Taliban signed a peace deal during Donald Trump’s presidency. As part of this deal, the US committed to withdraw military personnel from Afghanistan by May 2021. This was subject to the Taliban upholding its commitments to reduce violence and cut ties with terrorists. The deal came nearly two decades after the US invaded Afghanistan following the 9/11 terrorist attacks in the United States by the Afghanistan based al-Qaeda group.

You miss the point, Biden blames Trump for his (Biden's disaster) Biden states he was bound by Trump's agreement. Apparently he wasn't since he moved the withdrawal date from May to August. He knew what the agreement included. So when he moved the withdrawal date he decided not to tell the Taliban to with hold any aggression. against Afgan cities. He gave them his OK to ravage the country?.


Biden blames everyone else for his failures. Under sworn testimony the Army investigation states Biden and his administration caused the total collaspe of the Afgan withdrawal. And Joey's response, "No I didn't"

[CaptainTruth]

Originally Posted by lustylad

Spoken like a true POS!

Got a link to that, CaptainLiar?

Don't need a link, I lived it...

All was quiet on my social media until a rogue bomber got through and exploded. Then everyone went apeshit about how such a disaster the whole exit is. Given what would have happened if we didn't exit (massive escalation for years), it was time to get the fuck out. As for you being a POS for wanting to risk the lives of thousands more soldiers for who knows how long, a collective ABCDEFU.

[Precious_b]

Originally Posted by adav8s28

Trump did cut a deal with the Taliban in return for a ceasefire the USA would leave in the summer of 2020. Biden got one extension but did not want to get any others. I agree it was more Trumps fault than Biden's fault.

Always remember donny berating previous admin for giving time tables saying it gave enemy notice.

Than he not only does a 180 on that, he also negotiates directly with the enemy, cutting out the Afgan government in the process. How is that going to insure a smooth transition of power?

It is definitely a wonder more people didn't die on our pulling out.

[TechPapi]

Originally Posted by tman1847

NO Right up there with causing the needless death of 13 American Heroes, 7 innocent children and more than a 100 Afgans seriously injured or killed.


While leaving American citizens and Afgan allies still trapped in country


"No old news here. What the fuck does Clinton have to do with drumpf flushing documents? Deflect much?"


The topic was Biden F'ing up the Afgan withdrawal, Holt was a side comment

"Deflect much"

So it's up to us to figure out what your side comments are? Why would you include a low-level, who-gives-a-fuck sidebar about Lester Holt if you wanted to push your main point?


I addressed something you wrote. It's on topic if you put it there.

[HedonistForever]

Originally Posted by Precious_b

HF, it's not "being worried about a power vacuum", it is about the very definition of Nature: Nature abhors a vacuum.

Pull something out, something comes in to displace it. It's going to happen. And we've let it happen alot.

In this case what came in, is what was there when we started. That has to be seen as a complete failure. In my opinion, we should have left Afghanistan as soon as the Taliban was routed and recognized that there was no way in hell we would keep them out. As the Taliban said "you have the watches, we have the time". Why didn't we learn that lesson from Vietnam?


In Iraq, one of the biggest mistakes we made was trying to expel the entire Baath Party destroying the very ability of the country to function and thinking we could. We should have left the Army intact because most of them didn't want to fight anyway especially after years of fighting Iran. Again, trying to nation build failed us. Will we never learn?

[the_real_Barleycorn]

Originally Posted by CaptainTruth

All that bullshit you posted is worthless history, it was a different time, different stage of war. Trump surrendered to the Taliban and released prisoners.

BTW what happened to the Afghans that beat the Russians of all countries?

Today, 100% successful on time withdrawal from Afghanistan. War is over. Most withdrawals happen over a long period of time with no hard date to end. To miss that date would mean escalation of war into the next years. How many more soldiers would die and be wounded then? Biden would get blamed for all that.... So Biden said fuck it we are done, fuck Afghanistan we are out, toodles.

Your words are hollow and without meaning. There was no surrender until Biden was in office and then it was a rout. Not on the part of our troops but on the part of our State Department and political leadership who spent more time pointing the fingers at others than dealing with Americans being abandoned.
You make the claim that "most withdrawals happen over a long period of time..." care to cite some of those "successful" withdrawals without a victory. The Russians in Afghanistan? The French in Indo-China? The Americans in Vietnam? The French in Russia? The British in the United States? The British in India? How about where the withdrawal worked? Where both sides had come to an agreement of the minds. The United States in the Philippines. The United States in Germany. The United States in Japan. The United States in Iraq.

Presidents can't say "toodles" and run away. The American people, the US military, and posterity will never forgive them.

[CaptainTruth]

20 year war is over. Done. Other wars don't have a hard date of pulling out of the war zone. This one did, but it was extended once. The DOHA agreement was drafted during Trump's administration. That is basically a surrender. Trump fucked that up by not including the Afghan government in this agreement. He surrendered directly to the terrorist Taliban.

You are just an layzboy armchair General. Why didn't trump exit while he was President? He is too chicken shit to do something like that. We trained and supplied the Afghans for years. I suppose your answer was to send a 50000+ fighting force over again and extend this stupid war for years. Fuck that is stupid. Every withdrawal is successful at some point as it is just a transition to a non war situation.

Americans living there had over a year to exit, if they didn't then that is their problem. Don't think there has been any problem so far with being left behind. CIA is there doing their thing where needed.

[bambino]

https://gettr.com/post/ppa6uz1399

[the_real_Barleycorn]

Originally Posted by CaptainTruth

20 year war is over. Done. Other wars don't have a hard date of pulling out of the war zone. This one did, but it was extended once. The DOHA agreement was drafted during Trump's administration. That is basically a surrender. Trump fucked that up by not including the Afghan government in this agreement. He surrendered directly to the terrorist Taliban.

You are just an layzboy armchair General. Why didn't trump exit while he was President? He is too chicken shit to do something like that. We trained and supplied the Afghans for years. I suppose your answer was to send a 50000+ fighting force over again and extend this stupid war for years. Fuck that is stupid. Every withdrawal is successful at some point as it is just a transition to a non war situation.

Americans living there had over a year to exit, if they didn't then that is their problem. Don't think there has been any problem so far with being left behind. CIA is there doing their thing where needed.

You're not doing your name any credit with your lying. Over a year to exit? What did Biden say in July? Oh yes, the Afghan government would be able to hold the Taliban back from taking over the country. No cause for alarm people. We got this. Your President Joe Biden has it all under control. So much for that year long warning you claim. Liar! Why didn't you reelect Trump so all of this would have happened on his watch if blame is all you care about. Sorry, but I care about those left behind, those we promised to protect, and those who died for Biden's cowardly exit.
Trump had a plan, it was working. Would it have continued to work? We'll never know because Biden abandoned the plan without having a real plan of his own. Obvious to many that Biden didn't have a person or department in charge. Defense blames State, State blames Defense. Both claimed to be in charge of certain aspects of the retreat and avoid being in command of others. This is all on Biden.