The Official VerySkeptical gun control thread

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Originally Posted by the_real_Barleycorn

I think one Tennessee law maker summed it up. They are passing a lot of party line vote bills right now to harden their schools against violence from outside. He said we want to harden our schools and the democrats want to confiscate guns. Which is more likely? Which is more doable? And which one will save lives in the end?

The democrats don't know why they want to grab guns. They don't know much about guns. And they don't understand reality.

The more I watch the Tennessee situation unroll, the more I see it as an in real time reflection of all of the issues, actions, behaviors and methods of the Looney left and their entirely evil approach to most anything, but especially the use of high profile events to continue their relentless push for the destruction of this country, by way off destroying a civilized society to usher in their Communist utopian wet dream. It really is all right there. They do not have a soul and are unabashed in saying so. Well... screaming it actually. They really are just filthy screaming demons.

National divorce?!? Faggit-about-it!

Seems more like we need a massive exorcism.

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

The below looked at 26 mass shootings between 2009-2021 for mass shootings of 3 or more fatalities and only included ones where it was definitively known how the psychopathic murder acquired their gun(s). The Tennessee shooter would fall into that category, not the years included however.

IMHO - the outlet is highly credible and knowledgeable about the subject matter and the article is quite long and highly informative. I am in total solidarity of their conscience avoidance of using the deranged maniac's name in each instance.

Disclaimer: This outlet is prone to using "actual facts" as opposed to delusional emotions and raving narratives.

Imma just pop out a couple quickie items, not necessarily in order, for starters from the article.

Background Checks and Mass Shooters, How Did They Get Their Guns?

By Matthew Maruster | April 19, 2021

How Did Mass Shooters Get Their Guns? Moreover, Did They Pass Background Checks?

We looked at 26 mass shootings for roughly 12 years between 2009 through 2021, in which we know how the shooters obtained their firearms. Additionally, we did not cherry-pick these incidents because it would help us establish a narrative that background checks are imperfect.

The law currently requires background checks for any gun sold through a Federal Firearm's Dealer (FFL). This requirement applies to both large and small gun stores. However, not all states require private party gun sales to go through an FFL for a background check.



...Analyzing the numbers, we find that of 25 mass shooting incidents:
Twenty-three (23) killers passed NICS background checks.
4 Killers should not have passed background checks. Law enforcement failed to enter their criminal offenses into the database. Therefore they passed the background check. Important to note is that they also lied on the ATF Form 4473. (incidents #'s #11, #12, #17, and #19)
2 Did not pass a NICS background check, and both got the gun from the family home.
In one instance, the killer would have passed a background check (incident #7)
For the second, the father of the killer purchased the gun. He should not have been able to pass the NICS check, but Law Enforcement never entered the information (incident #10). The killer took the gun from the house. In this instance, the actual killer would not have been able to pass a background check, as he was too young to purchase the handgun...





...Killers used the following firearms:
handguns 16 times
rifles twelve times

ten AR-15's
one AK-47
one .22LR, bolt-action Savage MKII, rifle

shotguns two times...

Couple side notes:

• Hunter Biden lied on his background check to obtain a fire arm, which is a felony.
• The Tennessee shooter acquired their weapons via an FFL with background checks
• The only reason we know about Operation Fast & Furious is because a FFL dealer notified the ATF, multiple times, about suspicious transactions that they were denying.
  • Multiple times the ATF directed them to allow the sale to proceed
  • Eventually the FFL notified a local news outlet about the shenanigans
• FWIW: a "gun registry" would have had no impact on any of the above
• Fun gun registry factoid: "When the Brady Campaign, a gun control group, was known by one of its other names, it said that registration should be the final step before banning handguns"

[texassapper]

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

From a group that Charleston Heston use to hang with.

Gun Registration | Gun Licensing

August 8, 2016
Gun Registration and Gun Licensing

• Gun registration and gun owner licensing wouldn’t prevent or solve crimes. Most people sent to prison for gun crimes acquire guns from theft, the black market, or acquaintances. (Bureau of Justice Statistics[1]) Half of illegally trafficked firearms originate with straw purchasers who buy guns for criminals (ATF[2]). Criminals wouldn’t register guns or get gun licenses.
• Less registration and licensing, less crime. There is no universal, national gun registry or federal license required to own a gun, and the vast majority of states don’t require registration or licensing. Yet, since 1991, when violent crime hit an all-time high, total violent crime and murder have both been cut in half, and in 2014 violent crime fell to a 44-year low, and murder fell to an all-time low. (FBI)[3]
• Federal law prohibits a universal, national gun registry.[4] Eight states prohibit state-level gun registries. Only Hawaii requires registration of all firearms, while only a few states require registration of certain firearms. Only three states (Ill., Mass., and N.J.) require a license for all guns. New York requires a license for handguns.
• The Supreme Court has ruled that people who are prohibited by law from possessing firearms (such as felons, people adjudicated mentally incompetent, domestic violence abusers, and drug addicts) cannot be required to register firearms, because doing so would violate their 5th Amendment right against self-incrimination.[5]
• When the Brady Campaign, a gun control group, was known by one of its other names,[6] it said that registration should be the final step before banning handguns.[7]
• A Library of Congress study of gun control in 27 countries concluded, “It is difficult to find a correlation between the existence of strict firearms regulations and a lower incidence of gun-related crimes. . . . In Canada, a dramatic increase in the percentage of handguns used in all homicides was reported during a period in which handguns were most strictly regulated. And in strictly regulated Germany, gun-related crime is much higher than in countries such as Switzerland and Israel that have simpler and/or less restrictive legislation.”[8]
• The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reviewed studies of gun registration and gun owner licensing, and found them insufficient for determining the restrictions’ effectiveness.[9]

A Short History of Gun Registration in the United States

In 1911, New York imposed the Sullivan Law, still in effect today, requiring a license to own a handgun. The law gives the issuing authority discretion over whom to issue a license. The purpose of the law was to deny handguns to Irish and Italian immigrants of the period, then considered untrustworthy by New York politicians with different bloodlines.

The law requires a separate license for each handgun owned, and the license achieves registration by noting the make, model and serial number of the handgun. For decades thereafter, New York City had extraordinarily high crime rates. The city’s violent crime rates plummeted in the 1990s, when the NYPD, under then-Mayor Rudy Giuliani, increased its enforcement of a broad range of criminal laws.

In 1934, the Roosevelt administration contemplated a ban on fully-automatic firearms. However, the Department of Justice advised against it, on the grounds that a ban would violate the Second Amendment.[10] Instead, FDR pushed for a law requiring the registration of fully-automatic firearms, short-barreled rifles, short-barreled shotguns, and firearm sound suppressors.[11] The resulting law was the National Firearms Act of 1934. FDR’s attorney general, Homer Cummings, wanted it to require registration of handguns as well. In 1938, the year that Cummings pushed for separate handgun registration legislation, he wrote, “Show me the man who doesn’t want his gun registered and I will show you a man who shouldn’t have a gun.”

In 1968, President Lyndon B. Johnson signed the Gun Control Act into law, complaining that it didn’t require gun registration.

In 1974, two activist groups, the National Coalition to Ban Handguns and the National Council to Control Handguns, were formed in the United States.[12] Both openly advocated banning handguns.[13] The “Council,” now known as the Brady Campaign, said that it envisioned a three-part plan to achieve a ban: slowing down handgun sales, registration, and a ban.[14] By the early 1980s, the group realized that its efforts to get handguns banned were not succeeding, so it started calling for only some handguns to be banned, but for all others to be registered.[15]

In 1986, President Ronald Reagan signed the Firearms Owners’ Protection Act into law. Among other things, the law prohibited a national gun registry.[16]

Anti-gun groups didn’t achieve a national handgun ban or handgun registration, of course, but in 1993 the Democrat-led Congress imposed a law intended to achieve the first part of the Council’s three-part plan, “slowing down” handgun purchases, by a waiting period of up to five days when acquiring a handgun from a firearm dealer. However, an NRA-backed amendment adopted prior to the law’s imposition terminated the waiting period in favor of the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) for all firearms acquired from dealers beginning in November 1998.

The “instant” aspect of NICS checks ended the “slowing down” of handgun purchases. However, anti-gun activists soon realized that, through a series of steps, they might be able to use NICS to achieve the second part of the Council’s three-part plan, gun registration. In 1999, the late-Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.), a longtime gun control supporter, attempted to launch that effort by introducing legislation to require a NICS check on anyone who, at a gun show, bought a gun from a person who is not a firearm dealer.[17] Legislation focused on gun shows continued thereafter. In 2009, Lautenberg went further, introducing legislation proposing that the FBI retain, indefinitely, records of people who pass NICS checks to acquire guns.[18]

Since December 2012, gun control supporters have “demanded”[19] background checks on private (non-dealer) transfers of all firearms not only at gun shows, but everywhere. In 2013, Rep. Barbara Lee (D-Calif.) introduced legislation to eliminate the requirement that the FBI destroy the records of approved NICS checks within 24 hours.[20] Also in 2013, a Department of Justice memorandum said that a requirement for background checks on all firearm transfers “depends on . . . requiring gun registration.”[21] NICS would become a registry of firearm transfers if all firearm transfers were subject to NICS checks, the FBI retained records of approved checks indefinitely, and such records included information currently maintained on federal Form 4473s, which document the identity of a person who acquires a firearm from a firearm dealer, along with the make, model and serial number of the firearm acquired. Over time, as people would sell or bequeath their firearms, a registry of firearm transfers would become a registry of firearms possessed.

[the_real_Barleycorn]

I was just watching Fox news and they had on a democratic politician. He was slimely. Every time he opened his mouth about any of the three topics, it was Trump's fault that bad things happened. On the topic of gun control and school shootings; he said "hundreds of children have been killed so far this year by AR15s primarily".

Fox news itself is covering (pay attention libs), the called the Nashville shooter a "man" and failed to mention that the school was a Christian school. Why? When they bring up the Buffalo shooting, they never fail to mention that the victims were black.

So, this is on the dems and some producers at Fox news.

[Vulva]

Total gun confiscation and ban is the only solution that will eliminate gun death.

[the_real_Barleycorn]

Okay, I'll put you down to the bragging with a sub-average IQ voting block.

China has gun control and they killed nearly 100 million of their own people. Yeah, that worked to eliminate gun death. Then again, more people dye from stab wounds than gunfire. What would you do about that?

[Vulva]

Originally Posted by the_real_Barleycorn

Okay, I'll put you down to the bragging with a sub-average IQ voting block.

China has gun control and they killed nearly 100 million of their own people. Yeah, that worked to eliminate gun death. Then again, more people dye from stab wounds than gunfire. What would you do about that?

Gun control will not end gun deaths. BAN guns. It is the only way to stop GUN DEATHS.

I am getting tired of repeating the only solution to END GUN DEATH

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Originally Posted by Vulva

Gun control will not end gun deaths. BAN guns. It is the only way to stop GUN DEATHS...

You are in luck this very day - there is a process for that very thing. On your way to Gonzales, swing by Washington DC and submit your paper work to get the ball rolling. From what some DDs (delusional dick-heads) claim, there is massive support for it. Should be a piece of Baklava...

Constitutional Amendment Process

The authority to amend the Constitution of the United States is derived from Article V of the Constitution. After Congress proposes an amendment, the Archivist of the United States, who heads the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA), is charged with responsibility for administering the ratification process under the provisions of 1 U.S.C. 106b. The Archivist has delegated many of the ministerial duties associated with this function to the Director of the Federal Register. Neither Article V of the Constitution nor section 106b describe the ratification process in detail. The Archivist and the Director of the Federal Register follow procedures and customs established by the Secretary of State, who performed these duties until 1950, and the Administrator of General Services, who served in this capacity until NARA assumed responsibility as an independent agency in 1985.

The Constitution provides that an amendment may be proposed either by the Congress with a two-thirds majority vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate or by a constitutional convention called for by two-thirds of the State legislatures. None of the 27 amendments to the Constitution have been proposed by constitutional convention. The Congress proposes an amendment in the form of a joint resolution. Since the President does not have a constitutional role in the amendment process, the joint resolution does not go to the White House for signature or approval. The original document is forwarded directly to NARA's Office of the Federal Register (OFR) for processing and publication. The OFR adds legislative history notes to the joint resolution and publishes it in slip law format. The OFR also assembles an information package for the States which includes formal "red-line" copies of the joint resolution, copies of the joint resolution in slip law format, and the statutory procedure for ratification under 1 U.S.C. 106b.

The Archivist submits the proposed amendment to the States for their consideration by sending a letter of notification to each Governor along with the informational material prepared by the OFR. The Governors then formally submit the amendment to their State legislatures or the state calls for a convention, depending on what Congress has specified. In the past, some State legislatures have not waited to receive official notice before taking action on a proposed amendment. When a State ratifies a proposed amendment, it sends the Archivist an original or certified copy of the State action, which is immediately conveyed to the Director of the Federal Register. The OFR examines ratification documents for facial legal sufficiency and an authenticating signature. If the documents are found to be in good order, the Director acknowledges receipt and maintains custody of them. The OFR retains these documents until an amendment is adopted or fails, and then transfers the records to the National Archives for preservation.

A proposed amendment becomes part of the Constitution as soon as it is ratified by three-fourths of the States (38 of 50 States). When the OFR verifies that it has received the required number of authenticated ratification documents, it drafts a formal proclamation for the Archivist to certify that the amendment is valid and has become part of the Constitution. This certification is published in the Federal Register and U.S. Statutes at Large and serves as official notice to the Congress and to the Nation that the amendment process has been completed...

Once passed, I'm sure it's down hill from there to Gonzales. But maybe take a couple change of clothes with you. The last amendment to pass (the 27th) took about 200 years to pass, but it was for a different, albeit it super popular, issue: Not raising congressional pay, for currently sitting members of Congress. No worries. We'll wait on ya down Gonzales way and we'll leave a light on for ya.

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Disclaimers: (Out the wha-zoo)

• I am not an attorney of any sort in real life or even on the internets
  • Nor am I peddling anything (insurance, items, services, etc.) what so ever
  • Nor do I have any affiliation with anything provided herein except My-own Mighty Humble Opinion (IMMHO)
• Gun laws change all the time
  • The Commies are always, always picking, poking, groping, flailing at them
• Many laws are very ambiguous and convoluted - IMMHO
• Gun related laws vary from State to State
• There are often exceptions to many laws/rules
  • EX: Inheritance versus private sales, especially across State lines
  • EX: Gun Trusts
• It is your responsibility to comply with whatever laws prevail at the time of transfer of firearms in your State, which would include laws at the Federal level

But make no mistake!: The CF-Ts (Commie Fuck-Tards) want a gun registry for the sole purpose of confiscation. They will never, ever cease and have been at it for years.

Be aware there is a "repository" of sorts and it has been growing for a long, long time. It is seldom ever mentioned - as a National Gun Registry is expressly prohibited by law. Ah-ha! But this is not that - it's a re-pos-i-tory. Yeah, that's the ticket!

Discontinue Being a Federal Firearms Licensee (FFL)

When an FFL discontinues business, the FFL must send their firearms transactions records to the National Tracing Center (NTC). The NTC receives an average of 1.2 million out-of-business records per month and is the only repository for these records within the United States.

Records can be mailed to the NTC or, alternatively, they may be delivered to your local ATF Office in order to comply with laws for surrendering records (which include all bound log books/acquisition & disposition books and computer printouts, ATF Form 4473’s, Theft/Loss Reports, Multiple Sales Reports, and Brady forms).

Please direct all further questions concerning firearms out-of-business records to the NTC.
Last Reviewed September 22, 2016

Anyone done the math yet? I'll take a whack at it, based solely upon the numbers expressed above: ((2023-2016) x 12) x 1.2M = 100,800,000 records

Staggering and sobering. Of course a lot of those would be redundant, i.e. same item sold and transferred through multiple FFLs over time, as quality firearms have a very long life span when treated properly.

However, private sales are allowed in several states, certainly less so in the notoriously more CF-T States, of course. Also the freaking laws change all the time due, in no small part, to the relentless meddling by the CF-Ts. That is exactly why you always hear them screaming from the rafters and hill tops LOUDLY, anytime a gun goes pop, even though there is typically a mentally deranged CF-T pulling the trigger.

The two links are not the most current, but they do depict the general CF-T levels by state
Private Gun Sale Laws by State (2018)

Federal Private Firearm Transfer Laws

As you may suspect, there are fee-paid sites and "contracts", i.e. insurance or professional legal services, etc., that can be purchased and I provide none of those. If anyone has any "recommendation" that you are unaffiliated with, i.e. not a paid spokes person or paid sales associate of: please provide.

[texassapper]

Originally Posted by Vulva

Total gun confiscation and ban is the only solution that will eliminate gun death.

Except those murders committed by criminals and by the government.

[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_Do

All good points except this one "The democrats don't know why they want to grab guns." I believe it to be lawless and relentless evil, basically just another set of Communists. They always want to disarm the population. Wonder why?

they want to impose bad stuff against you without any firearms consequences.

[the_real_Barleycorn]

Maybe we cab ban all guns in the US. We have to do it by sections. First, ban every criminal from having any weapons. Once that is completely done, I repeat, completely done. We wouldn't want the public to be at the mercy of criminals. So those criminal guns have to go first before anything else is done. Second, transgenders need to lose their gun rights. So few of them and they are overrepresented in the statistics. Yep, they have to be stripped of their guns too. Third, black people. Yep, the same thing the Klan wanted to do is going to be the goal of the left. Disarm black people because black people make up 40% of the firearm deaths, 51% of criminal firearm use and are only 16% of the population. Do those three things and I expect that firearm deaths will plummet to a couple hundred a year. In a hundred years we can talk about the rest of the guns.

[dilbert firestorm]

black market guns are difficult to track down

[LayingPipe]

Democrat cities have the toughest gun laws but have the most gun violence. Criminals don't obey laws. If metric tons of drugs can flow over the border so can guns if we have a gun ban