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Old Today, 01:19 PM   #16
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His administration would lower prices or at least reduce pricing pressure by:
1. deregulation
2. permissive energy policy
3. reduced government spending

The above three would be the big primary drivers.
I'll expand. Or as Blackman puts it when someone posts something that conflicts with his political position and is not simple minded, I'll bloviate.

Some background -- Do we really want to see prices fall? Many economists would tell you that deflation leads to recessions or anemic growth. People think prices will fall so delay purchases which leads to a decrease in demand. And that can be true. Japan and the Great Depression in the USA are examples.

On the other hand, if improvements in productivity cause increased supply, and demand isn't falling, then deflation can be positive. Oil and gas is an example. Improvements in hydraulic fracturing and horizontal drilling have resulted in increased supply in the USA, and lower prices than what we'd have otherwise.

Trump's policies that could result in lower inflation include,

1. As you said, Deregulation. Deregulation can improve productivity and lower prices.
2. As you said, energy policy. If Kamala were elected and reverted to her 2020 campaign policies, she'd ban fracking and drilling on federal lands and offshore leases. This would kneecap the industry in the U.S. and put the power to set prices back in the hands of OPEC.
3. Again, repeating you, reduced government spending. Absolutely. That's Keynesian economics. A question though, will this happen? Based on Trump's history in office, I'd say no. But he's saying that Elon Musk is going to engineer $2 trillion in cuts in federal government spending. If that's even close to true, it will help.

Trump's policies that could result in higher inflation include

4. Lower taxes. Again, that's basic macroeconomics. However, as long as spending is reduced as well, lower federal taxes make a lot of sense. If you shrink the federal government and leave more money in the hands of individuals, investors and businesses, which are the engine of growth, the economy will benefit.
5. Tariffs. I think they would just create a one time step up in inflation. I'm opposed to them more because they'll lower our overall prosperity, competitiveness, and productivity, than because of the inflation risk.
6. It's possible he may appoint more dovish people to the Fed, although it would be hard IMHO to find the people to do that given how far behind the curve the Fed was in 2021 and 2022.

And this could go both ways,

7. Massive deportation of illegal immigrants. This one's kind of like reduced government spending. Will it really happen? If it does, Trump says he wants to replace illegal immigrants with legal immigrants. That's actually a good idea IMHO. But Stephen Miller and others will be working behind the scenes to try to prevent that. In the short run, deporting millions may indeed increase inflation by creating labor shortages. But in the long run it would make the USA more like Japan and some European countries, which have shrinking populations. That would have a disinflationary or perhaps deflationary impact.
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Old Today, 01:21 PM   #17
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Some have MBAs and degrees in economics so might know a thing or two.

So if Trump can't get prices down, what will he tell the American people that voted him in because he promised to do so?

We already produce plenty of energy, even enough to go to market. We aren't producing more because there isn't any desire to lower overall production costs for fuel because the amount of profit for oil companies will go down. We are not at a lack of production or volume.

Energy costs won't have an effect the cost of day to day goods or groceries. People are expecting their costs to drop and they won't. Now I suspect Fox will do the full on press and tell people the economy is great simply because Trump says it is.

As a group Economists are wrong about the same amount as Weather Forecasters, especially when looking at direction changes.
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I don’t believe I used the word bloviate. I have yet to see a policy that will make groceries cheaper. The only one is for supply to exceed demand causing prices to drop in order to spur purchases. None of that is in the cards. I suspect that we will remain with price levels near where they are. Gas is already about as cheap as it will get so that won’t happen either. Their might be some relief on the electric or gas bill for homes but I dont really see that being significant either.

The likely truth is that prices are stuck where they are and that we will soon see an increase in the rate of inflation. All of the Trump policies that y’all keep referring to aren’t aimed at making peoples daily purchases less expensive.

A decrease in govt spending of any real significance would have to come from the military (overall bad) or from domestic spending (again bad because there just isn’t a large enough amount to get us there). I suppose they could just fire a lot of govt employees. I’d love to see how they’ll accomplish that - maybe forced retirements or shutting down departments completely - unlikely to be accomplished in a way that not have a disastrous effect.

I look forward to any actual policies that will make prices lower - since the govt doesn’t actually control supply of lettuce or eggs.
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His administration would lower prices or at least reduce pricing pressure by:
1. deregulation
2. permissive energy policy
3. reduced government spending

The above three would be the big primary drivers.
... THIS certainly makes some sense.

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