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Old 03-04-2013, 04:45 PM   #16
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Still, when was the last time that someone BLEW UP a police armored vehicle with an IED?
The 12th of Never.

This thing is a joke. They could have taken the billion dollars or so that they spent on it and bought more squad cars and bullet proof vests. Or more police helicopters. There has to be THOUSAND better uses for the money.

None of that takes into consideration the maintenance costs of the behemoths.

After some small county in the sticks gets one of these, then they have to figure out where to get the $50K or so per year for repairing, cleaning, and maintenance, not to mention training personnel to use it.

Definitely some congressman paying back for a campaign contribution.
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Old 03-04-2013, 04:45 PM   #17
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Texas isn't the center of the universe, but there is the mixmaster and there's the "High Five" they built north of Dallas, TX, to consider. Both would make operating the MRAPs at speed dangerous.







And there are other U.S. cities that have terrain that is more rugged than Dallas, e.g.:
Denver, CO
San Francisco, CA
Chattanooga, TN
Little Rock, AR
Duluth, MN
etc.,


This article deals with accidents in and around Baghdad; which at the elevation of 112 feet, btw, is not known for its mountains.



Fatal MRAP rollovers prompt warnings
By Richard Lardner - The Associated Press
Posted : Thursday Jul 24, 2008


The first fatal accident occurred on the night of April 23 near a town north of Baghdad.

A crew of six soldiers from the 101st Airborne Division was traveling over an irrigation canal in a Caiman, a 9-foot-tall, 19-ton MRAP made by BAE Systems in Sealy, Texas. BAE is one of several defense contractors building the vehicles, which come in varied sizes. One model, when fully loaded, can weigh as much as 40 tons.

The Caiman was moving at only 5 mph as the driver started to make a 90-degree turn, according to the Army’s account. But he swung the wheel too quickly and the truck’s huge rear tires caught the road’s soft dirt shoulder, which began to collapse.

Trying to avoid trouble, the driver hit the gas, but the Caiman flipped on its right side. It slid down a slope back end first and into 10 feet of foul water that began to fill the vehicle.

The power shut down, plunging the crew into darkness.

Three of the four soldiers in the rear found an air pocket and stayed in it until they were pulled through the gun turret on the roof. The driver, who received a head injury, also survived.

Pfc. John T. Bishop and 1st Lt. Timothy W. Cunningham weren’t so lucky. . . .

On April 23, just hours before the deaths of Bishop and Cunningham, a MaxxPro assigned to the 25th Infantry Division in Iraq was heading north on Main Supply Route Tampa. Seeing a deep rut in the road, which runs from Kuwait to Baghdad, the driver steered to avoid it. The vehicle struck a concrete wall and rolled over, injuring at least one soldier.

On the morning of Jan. 29, a convoy of three MRAPs from the 2nd Stryker Calvary Regiment was heading to Fira Shia, a village northwest of Baghdad, where a car explosion had been reported. As the third MRAP in the patrol crossed over a bridge, the span collapsed, sending the vehicle into the canal below.

One soldier, upside down in the vehicle, was caught in his seat belt. He swallowed water and nearly drowned before being freed by another soldier.
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/07/ap_mrap_072408/


Nevertheless, purchasing this many MRAPs for DHS is a congressional boondoggle; even Strykers make more sense for LE use than MRAPs.

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Old 03-04-2013, 04:51 PM   #18
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Perfect for herding cattle or sheep or large numbers of
people into detention centers.

Form one line to the left as you inter the delousing and shower
facility.
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Old 03-04-2013, 05:32 PM   #19
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This is an interesting News Clip.
http://youtu.be/PQHDJn6VOhM
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Old 03-04-2013, 06:13 PM   #20
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Perfect for herding cattle or sheep or large numbers of
people into detention centers.

Form one line to the left as you inter the delousing and shower
facility.
Plenty of fucking sheep in this forum!
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Old 03-04-2013, 06:24 PM   #21
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Plenty of fucking sheep in this forum!
Is that why your wearing hipboots? Lmao
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Is that why your wearing hipboots? Lmao
Yea, I'm knee deep in sheep shit
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Old 03-04-2013, 06:56 PM   #23
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Yea, I'm knee deep in sheep shit
I don't think thats why your wearing them. Lmao
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Old 03-04-2013, 07:01 PM   #24
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It is a stupid idea to put these MRAPs in the hands of police departments. I can think of about 5 times in the past 20 years when things like these MIGHT have been useful - like Waco or that big bank shootout in California.
I see them pretty frequently out here. Usually on a safe house/immigration raid
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Old 03-04-2013, 10:38 PM   #25
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The 2700 number appears to have come from a press release from Navistar which mentioned 2712 vehicles delivered to the Marine Corps. Apparently, there has actually been no official number from DHS. Supposedly, DHS uses them for serving high-risk warrants.

http://www.businessinsider.com/homel...ts-mrap-2013-3
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Old 03-05-2013, 02:23 AM   #26
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Surprise! Navistar, who makes the MRAP, has it's headquarters in Illinois. Who do we know who is involved in Illinois? I did see a couple of articles where the DHS explains that the MRAP can be used during hurricanes to rescue people. These are definitely new vehicles. We pulled several thousand from Iraq (27,000 were made) and they are going in storage somewhere.

As for police use; who do they think they're going up against? International terrorists lead by Hans Gruber and the Nakatomi building?
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