Definition of Democratic Socialism

[JD Barleycorn]

Originally Posted by SeekingTruth

The reason I vote democrat is because, under the far right GOP type of government, tea party, whatever, the future of America looks does not look good. There are too many special interest groups, mostly multi-national corporations, who are in charge. I want a president who does what is best for the whole of America, not just a few.

I believe Hillary Clinton will be the next President and she will get most of the woman's vote. Even though women can vote now, there are many other issues (less pay than a man for same job) that need to be addressed. Women, in some form or fashion, are still treated as second class citizens. Isn't the GOP in the White House all male? If we get a woman President, a woman would bring more compassion and fairness into our government.

The non-stop wars are responsible for addiing billions to our already growing deficit. Funds are being being borrowed from social security to fight these wars. A lot of Americans only have social security to retire on. And, it's not very much. I posted an article from CBS about another VA scandal. Americans have paid into social security in order to have these safety nets. Extreme right GOP has consistently tried to minimize or completely eliminate public assistance. Yet, they continue to push unnecessary space programs and wars, which, like I said, only add billions to the already growing deficit. To me, this is not fiscal responsibility. It is a "for profit" system in order to feed the greed of those at the top.

Lets take a gander at reality. What far right government are you talking about? The most far right president was probably Ronald Reagan and as your liberal likes to point out, he was so far to the right that he raised taxes and had an amnesty for illegals. There has been no far right government for you to reference. However, we can reference the far left governments of Woodrow Wilson, FDR, LBJ, Carter, Clinton, and Obama.
Wilson passed laws that allowed government surveillance on the citizens and deported Americans for disagreeing with government policy. He even had a presidential candidate arrested (Eugene Debs) for making comments about the government.
FDR took property away from the people for all of his projects and many of the failed. FDR failed to get a handle on the Great Depression until World War II saved him. Even at war he intially failed by not being prepared (which may have prevented World War II).
LBJ's policies in the Great Society have transferred $17 trillion to the poor and we have more than ever. He also broke up the black family structure with his specialized welfare programs.
Carter....do I have to go into detail with this guy?
Clinton was saved by having a GOP Congress who got him to sign things like Welfare Reform, Don't Ask, Don't tell but he failed to see Muslim terrorism as a problem.
I could spend the next hour listing the sins of Obama but we all know them....except you probably look upon lying to the people to pass Obamacare as a virtue. Did it ever occur to the left that if you have to lie to pass something then there probably is something wrong with it?

Taking money from social security???? The government has been pocketing SS payments for the general fund since 1967 under Johnson and a democratic Congress (which allowed them to hide the cost of the Vietnam War). Where have you been?

Obama has been in office for over six years, when are you going to blame him for these "endless" wars? Or the fact that we are losing the wars that we're in. The VA scandal.... really grasping for straws now. We are to take you seriously because you "posted" and article about the VA. What's the matter, didn't think you could explain, corruption and malfeasance in your own words. When running for president Obama loved the space program and here you are shitting on it. Do you realize that you could fund the space program five times over with the money misplaced by HEW?

To conclude, it is your leftist, socialist policies that has pulled the country to where it is now. The right has not tried to get rid of the Department of Education, the FCC, or anything you can imagine. It has only been talked about but I can show you where the left has tried to vote away gun rights, basic freedoms, and impose itself on us for no real good reason except CONTROL.

[JD Barleycorn]

Originally Posted by SeekingTruth

Funny, because a lot of Americans retire in these South American countries, Panama, Costa Rica, Venezuela, because it's much cheaper to live there. The food is fresh and local, and there are no sink holes!

Do you think the government we have had since Reagan is working?

Do you even know that toliet paper is rationed in Venezuela, or milk, or meat? Did you know that Costa Rica has the highest HIV rate in the western hemisphere? Maybe they retire to places like Belize because the government is not leaning over their shoulder all the time.

[UnderConstruction]

Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

Lets take a gander at reality. What far right government are you talking about? The most far right president was probably Ronald Reagan and as your liberal likes to point out, he was so far to the right that he raised taxes and had an amnesty for illegals. There has been no far right government for you to reference. However, we can reference the far left governments of Woodrow Wilson, FDR, LBJ, Carter, Clinton, and Obama.
Wilson passed laws that allowed government surveillance on the citizens and deported Americans for disagreeing with government policy. He even had a presidential candidate arrested (Eugene Debs) for making comments about the government.
FDR took property away from the people for all of his projects and many of the failed. FDR failed to get a handle on the Great Depression until World War II saved him. Even at war he intially failed by not being prepared (which may have prevented World War II).
LBJ's policies in the Great Society have transferred $17 trillion to the poor and we have more than ever. He also broke up the black family structure with his specialized welfare programs.
Carter....do I have to go into detail with this guy?
Clinton was saved by having a GOP Congress who got him to sign things like Welfare Reform, Don't Ask, Don't tell but he failed to see Muslim terrorism as a problem.
I could spend the next hour listing the sins of Obama but we all know them....except you probably look upon lying to the people to pass Obamacare as a virtue. Did it ever occur to the left that if you have to lie to pass something then there probably is something wrong with it?

Taking money from social security???? The government has been pocketing SS payments for the general fund since 1967 under Johnson and a democratic Congress (which allowed them to hide the cost of the Vietnam War). Where have you been?

Obama has been in office for over six years, when are you going to blame him for these "endless" wars? Or the fact that we are losing the wars that we're in. The VA scandal.... really grasping for straws now. We are to take you seriously because you "posted" and article about the VA. What's the matter, didn't think you could explain, corruption and malfeasance in your own words. When running for president Obama loved the space program and here you are shitting on it. Do you realize that you could fund the space program five times over with the money misplaced by HEW?

To conclude, it is your leftist, socialist policies that has pulled the country to where it is now. The right has not tried to get rid of the Department of Education, the FCC, or anything you can imagine. It has only been talked about but I can show you where the left has tried to vote away gun rights, basic freedoms, and impose itself on us for no real good reason except CONTROL.

Control? Like whether a woman can end a pregnancy or not? Like whether LGBT members of our society have equal rights? Like wanting to make the Bible the state book of Tennessee? Endless wars? Both that Bush started. With the pretense that somehow Iraq was responsible for 9/11.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by UnderConstruction

Control? Like whether a woman can end a pregnancy or not? Like whether LGBT members of our society have equal rights? Like wanting to make the Bible the state book of Tennessee? Endless wars? Both that Bush started. With the pretense that somehow Iraq was responsible for 9/11.

It was UBL who declared war on the U.S. during Slick Willie the Perjuring Sexual Predator's presidency, you "#Grubered" Odumbo Minion, not Bush. And it was Saddam Hussein's Iraq that invaded Kuwait, you "#Grubered" Odumbo Minion, not Bush.

[UnderConstruction]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

It was UBL who declared war on the U.S. during Slick Willie the Perjuring Sexual Predator's presidency, you "#Grubered" Odumbo Minion, not Bush. And it was Saddam Hussein's Iraq that invaded Kuwait, you "#Grubered" Odumbo Minion, not Bush.

Then why was it any of our fucking business running in there? We were there to protect the oil fields. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. I notice you didn't touch that one.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by UnderConstruction

Then why was it any of our fucking business running in there? We were there to protect the oil fields. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. I notice you didn't touch that one.

Per the United Nations Security Council's unanimously adopted resolution, you "#Grubered" Odumbo Minion.

Resolution 1441 (2002)

Adopted by the Security Council at its 4644th meeting, on 8 November 2002

The Security Council,

Recalling all its previous relevant resolutions, in particular its resolutions 661 (1990) of 6 August 1990, 678 (1990) of 29 November 1990, 686 (1991) of 2 March 1991, 687 (1991) of 3 April 1991, 688 (1991) of 5 April 1991, 707 (1991) of 15 August 1991, 715 (1991) of 11 October 1991, 986 (1995) of 14 April 1995, and 1284 (1999) of 17 December 1999, and all the relevant statements of its President,

Recalling also its resolution 1382 (2001) of 29 November 2001 and its intention to implement it fully,

Recognizing the threat Iraq’s non-compliance with Council resolutions and
proliferation of weapons of mass destruction and long-range missiles poses to international peace and security,

Recalling that its resolution 678 (1990) authorized Member States to use all
necessary means to uphold and implement its resolution 660 (1990) of 2 August 1990 and all relevant resolutions subsequent to resolution 660 (1990) and to restore international peace and security in the area,

Further recalling that its resolution 687 (1991) imposed obligations on Iraq as a necessary step for achievement of its stated objective of restoring international peace and security in the area,

Deploring the fact that Iraq has not provided an accurate, full, final, and
complete disclosure, as required by resolution 687 (1991), of all aspects of its programmes to develop weapons of mass destruction and ballistic missiles with a range greater than one hundred and fifty kilometres, and of all holdings of such weapons, their components and production facilities and locations, as well as all other nuclear programmes, including any which it claims are for purposes not related to nuclear-weapons-usable material,

Deploring further that Iraq repeatedly obstructed immediate, unconditional,
and unrestricted access to sites designated by the United Nations Special
Commission (UNSCOM) and the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA),
failed to cooperate fully and unconditionally with UNSCOM and IAEA weapons inspectors, as required by resolution 687 (1991), and ultimately ceased all cooperation with UNSCOM and the IAEA in 1998,

Deploring also that the Government of Iraq has failed to comply with its commitments pursuant to resolution 687 (1991) with regard to terrorism, pursuant to resolution 688 (1991) to end repression of its civilian population and to provide access by international humanitarian organizations to all those in need of assistance in Iraq, and pursuant to resolutions 686 (1991), 687 (1991), and 1284 (1999) to return or cooperate in accounting for Kuwaiti and third country nationals wrongfully detained by Iraq, or to return Kuwaiti property wrongfully seized by Iraq,

Recalling that in its resolution 687 (1991) the Council declared that a ceasefire would be based on acceptance by Iraq of the provisions of that resolution, including the obligations on Iraq contained therein....
Determined to secure full compliance with its decisions,
Acting under Chapter VII of the Charter of the United Nations,

1. Decides that Iraq has been and remains in material breach of its obligations under relevant resolutions, including resolution 687 (1991), in particular through Iraq’s failure to cooperate with United Nations inspectors and the IAEA, and to complete the actions required under paragraphs 8 to 13 of resolution 687 (1991);

http://www.un.org/Depts/unmovic/documents/1441.pdf

[Jackie S]

Originally Posted by UnderConstruction

Then why was it any of our fucking business running in there? We were there to protect the oil fields. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. I notice you didn't touch that one.

In today's modern society, can you give a better reason to go to war.

Food or water perhaps. But we have plenty of that.

[UnderConstruction]

Originally Posted by Jackie S

In today's modern society, can you give a better reason to go to war.

Food or water perhaps. But we have plenty of that.

I'd prefer they not lie about the reason.

[UnderConstruction]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Per the United Nations Security Council's unanimously adopted resolution, you "#Grubered" Odumbo Minion.

So now you're FOR the UN? Make up your mind dipshit. So we go because someone else says so? Now you've got your Texas Republican brethren trying to adopt a law that says they don't have to follow agenda 21 as set forth by the UN on sustainability. I guess you guys just flip and flop on the UN.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by UnderConstruction

So now you're FOR the UN? Make up your mind dipshit. So we go because someone else says so? Now you've got your Texas Republican brethren trying to adopt a law that says they don't have to follow agenda 21 as set forth by the UN on sustainability. I guess you guys just flip and flop on the UN.

Other than in that empty gourd you call a head, what substantive source do you have to support your current straw man argument about the UN, you "#Grubered" Odumbo Minion? BTW, you "#Grubered" Odumbo Minion, noticed how you deflected and skipped right over how Bush43's concerns mirrored those voiced by the UN Security Council.

[CuteOldGuy]

Originally Posted by UnderConstruction

I'd prefer they not lie about the reason.

Seriously? You are the first to defend our current "Liar in Chief" along with his lies. Or is it OK to lie if you're a Democrat? You partisan fuckstick. GTFOOH!

[JD Barleycorn]

Originally Posted by UnderConstruction

Control? Like whether a woman can end a pregnancy or not? Like whether LGBT members of our society have equal rights? Like wanting to make the Bible the state book of Tennessee? Endless wars? Both that Bush started. With the pretense that somehow Iraq was responsible for 9/11.

Ronald Reagan had you dead to rights (I'm paraphrasing here); you believe a lot of shit that just isn't true.

What RIGHTS don't gay people have that everyone else does?
State book? Are you just trying to be silly? Why not worry about the state exercise? I here that it is the jumping jack in Missouri. Now that sounds sinister.
Ending a pregnancy....how about killing a baby. Lets tell the truth here, that is what it is, killing a baby.
Endless wars? Who attacked us on 9/11? Who refused to abide by the cease fire agreement? Bush did not say that Iraq had anything to do with 9/11, he did say that they supported terrorism.

[UnderConstruction]

Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

Ronald Reagan had you dead to rights (I'm paraphrasing here); you believe a lot of shit that just isn't true.

What RIGHTS don't gay people have that everyone else does?
State book? Are you just trying to be silly? Why not worry about the state exercise? I here that it is the jumping jack in Missouri. Now that sounds sinister.
Ending a pregnancy....how about killing a baby. Lets tell the truth here, that is what it is, killing a baby.
Endless wars? Who attacked us on 9/11? Who refused to abide by the cease fire agreement? Bush did not say that Iraq had anything to do with 9/11, he did say that they supported terrorism.

They can't get married in all 50 states, that's one. And I've linked an article about the lawmaker that wants to make the Bible the state book of tennessee. As for abortion, if a woman chooses to end a pregnancy, it's her business, not anyone else's. And for the final one, Bush's quote in a speech to congress is below. See ya.

Bush informed Congress on March 19, 2003 that acting against Iraq was consistent with “continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001.”

http://www.tennessean.com/story/news...ssee/23224271/

[SeekingTruth]

Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

I am not even sure why you brought up democratic socialism. The Nazi government was a National Socialist government. Unlike the Soviet Union which believed in an international form of socialism (though they were in the war communism mode), Germany was the end all-be all of their form of socialism. Corporations stayed within the ownership of the stockholders or creator but they had to abide by government wishes. So they had some freedom but not very much but at least they didn't lose their companies to the masses.

So tell us, in your own words, what is democratic-socialism as you understand it? Also explain the term corporate fascism to us, as you understand it. Why do you think that voting for the democratic party (in reality progressive-socialism light) is a good thing?

Nazi Germany was a totalitarian government, or corporate fascism, which is what we are moving toward. The people had no rights. Our rights are being removed also by those in power at the top. Those in power at the top care only about profits, not people. I am going to post the defintion of "military-industrial complex" shortly. It's a "for profit system", and it's only goal, in my opinion, is to use their ever growing profit in order to gain power over the people, all people, and now space. It's misplaced power and it's in the hands of psychopaths.

[Guest123018-4]

Nobody from the US is retiring in Venezuela.
Have you even checked into the current situation in Venezuela?
How about all of the retirees flocking to North Korea.
Ya think China is the largest growing economy in the world because of communism or because they embraced capitalism.

Utopia does not exist anywhere in the world and certainly not in any communist nation. Of course your sense of utopia may differ from mine. I do not believe that in an utopian society opposition is dealt with by imprisonment or death. At least there is little to no racism involved in the creation of Utopia.....oh wait, I forgot about ethnic cleansing and the master race. I guess I was wrong there, you commies are racists too.