References and Reference checks

[tpepsi]

Originally Posted by Jislander

A year seems pretty generous and figured it was the status quo, after all things change and I don't expect to keep providers on the hook vouching for only one appt a year later.

So perhaps all our "YES" reviews should automatically switch to "NO" after 1 year.

After all, things change.

[Jislander]

Originally Posted by tpepsi

So perhaps all our "YES" reviews should automatically switch to "NO" after 1 year.

After all, things change.

what you infer from year old reviews is your own fault, I don't need a yes or no to tell me opinion is outdated.

[KlassyKelliAnn]

I think a better practice to the OPs version would be my own. IJS....


I will give a positive vouch for a good client whether it has been a month ago or a year or more that I have visited with him. BUT, I will let the requesting provider know how long ago it was since I have seen said gentleman and that it is up to her whether or not she is comfortable meeting with him based on the information I have given. That being said, when it comes to references (requesting and providing them) all information obtained or given is subjective to that provider and that particular session no matter when the session happened.

Behaviors change, chemistry is different from person to person, an so on. Therefore, while screening via reference verification is imperative, it is not the only effective tool as there is a vast variety of tools/techniques that should be used in conjunction with the former in order to make your final decision on visiting with a client. The reputation and credibility of the vouching provider also speaks volumes as to the information received, of course.


So there are many intricate details involved in screening as a whole and it is important as we all know to maintain this above and among the other obvious aspects in the biz. Basically, providing a negative reference on a good client simply because the visit was so long ago or not providing a reference at all or any other useful information completely disrupts the foundation on which the "provider to provider" part of the screening process is built. IMO, that is.


KKA

[Camille Fox]

^^^ exactly.

I've learned with time that, if we will solely rely on references to run your business, we are doing it wrong for several reasons (not in any particular order):

• A gent can behave very, very differently with one lady to another. Some of our worse offenders have stolen or shortened many ladies, while behaving perfectly fine with others, so they pick and choose who to use as references.

• What one lady deems as safe, another may not.

• Some ladies will not reply to reference requests for a number of reasons.

• Some ladies will reply with fake negative references to "punish" the gent for taking his business elsewhere.

• Some won't have a faint recollection of the visit.

• Some gents "borrow" handles.

• Some pimps will use women from their own stable as references then reply with a recommendation on himself.

• Some providers may use a screening service that is not as through as others. Some assistants are absolutely excellent, but sadly, they are not all the same. You think you are talking to the person who has seen the gent, but it turns out some man in Iowa is simply checking a schedule.

• Some gents will provide you with flat out fake phone numbers as a way to reach a lady and it turns out it is him who owns that number.

Etc...

Also, use common sense. When things seem to be too good to be truth, THEY ARE. Don't ever bypass your screening over money. Predators know that many do and throw around big number$ in hope of locking in an appt. Not only in this world, but everywhere, there is no such thing as a free meal.

At the end of the day, even if everything checks out fine, your final and last check has to be your instinct. If something does not feel right, halt everything. EVEN WITH GOOD REFERENCES.

If you have a poor experience with a gent, please let the providers who vouched for him know about it, so the buck stops there.


Stay safe,


Camille

[ck1942]

^^^ a big plus one ^^^

[Dakota123]

I keep references in order. But, I wont give a reference to guys that I havent seen in the last year.

I guess it also depends on what kind of memory that I have left of you. If I saw you 2 years ago, and we had an awesome time, and then we kept in contact, of course I will give a nice reference for him. but I will let the provider know "I saw him 2 years ago, no problems, but I havent seen him recently. We have kept in contact over the last 2 years and things seem to be good with him still. Please be careful with your decision to see him or not, seeing as my ref isnt exactly recent."

If I saw you a year ago and we never kept in contact (Even just a hello how are you?) then I will NOT give a reference. Simply cause I have had no communication with you. And chances are, I simply dont remember you. Out of sight, out of mind.... sorry

Oddly enough, most keep in contact. so I dont come across this often. But it does happen. More so from Houston and Dallas when I was there. LOL.

I wish more would use p411.

[Samcro84]

^^^ Agree with P411 option.

Have not had to provide references since joining P411. Makes the process so easy. The down side is providers have to be member of P411 before I will request to visit.

Sam

[Hot4uhotness]

As a gent who would love to see more women that i do i find sometimes it is hard to get good reference system going due to the fact i live in the boonies and dont get to have fun as often as i like. Also working in a medical facility it gets hard to get away. So when you can only see a few providers a year and then try to get references its hard. Or even make it to meet and greets without sufficient references.

And i. Some cases not all bad guys have ruined the system for good guys. I know i try to do my best to be able to see beautiful safe women but even thats hard. I have a P411 account and have asked a few to give me oks. And nothing. Maybe im doing it wrong. Or i suck in bed. Lol. A couple providers have asked for proof of my employment which i send my hospital badge or business card. But even then what if the provider freaks out and calls your employment or what not.

Backpage is ok as i see some providers in both Eccie and BP. But for alot it can be scary. And most providers wont accept those as reference. Anyway that my rant. Ho hum. It will always be hard for guys like me who play so little and want to be in the top of the class with providers. Lol. Have a great day.