Nevada psychiatric hospital accused of ‘patient dumping’

[CJ7]

if I had Trump $$, and insisted on hiding my bald hear, I'd damn sure buy a decent hat.

[nwarounder]

Originally Posted by CJ7

sounds like youre opposed to new Dr's or less successful Dr's making a living IMO.

I'll venture a guess, if you ask someone who is "poor" if they had a choice between having a new doctor treat them for cancer or have no ins and no Dr, they would gladly see a new Dr

No not at all, in fact we direct all patients (with addresses and phone numbers) that we cannot make money off of to new doctors everyday that accept these policies/programs.

Again, if oncologists do not accept new patients due to their policies/programs they will receive no cancer treatment. Obamacare does not change that. Oncologists get hired almost immediately as hospitalists, they do not set up a mom and pop clinic, generally the clinic is owned by a hospital or healthcare management company.

[CJ7]

Originally Posted by nwarounder

No not at all, in fact we direct all patients (with addresses and phone numbers) that we cannot make money off of to new doctors everyday that accept these policies/programs.

Again, if oncologists do not accept new patients due to their policies/programs they will receive no cancer treatment. Obamacare does not change that. Oncologists get hired almost immediately as hospitalists, they do not set up a mom and pop clinic, generally.

if a patient has an ins card in their pocket and goes to a hospital for treatment, generally they are accepted with no questions, opposed to being sent down the road to try another hospital who will accept a patient without ins

yea or nay

[nwarounder]

Originally Posted by CJ7

if a patient has an ins card in their pocket and goes to a hospital for treatment, generally they are accepted with no questions, opposed to being sent down the road to try another hospital who will accept a patient without ins

yea or nay

No, not unless you are talking about emergencies only now and not cancer or other illnesses (Healthcare) as we were previously discussing. For profit hospitals and most others, are not long term healthcare clinics nor will they treat you for cancer or any other immediate, non-life threatening illnesses unless admitted by a hospitalist or approved referring clinician.

[CJ7]

but having an ins card vs not having an ins card should get you in just about anywhere people make a living charging people for their (medical) service


the one in my pocket works that way anyway

[nwarounder]

Originally Posted by CJ7

but having an ins card vs not having an ins card should get you in just about anywhere people make a living charging people for their (medical) service


the one in my pocket works that way anyway

Lol, I'm not sure what you did or do now, but surely you must have a concept of business, which is what healthcare is now. It's like I own a store and everyone comes in and pays cash or Visa for a $100 purchase. I have the money in my bank account by the next day. Then you walk in with your government card and walk out with the exact sme thing everyone else does, but I have to hire two people to process and comply with the regulations, manage payments and fight with the government for 6 months to collect it, and I finally receive $50 and a take it or leave it note.

Pretty soon, you are not welcome in my store ever again.

[JD Barleycorn]

Nevada??? Aren't they trending for Obama?

[CJ7]

Originally Posted by nwarounder

Lol, I'm not sure what you did or do now, but surely you must have a concept of business, which is what healthcare is now. It's like I own a store and everyone comes in and pays cash or Visa for a $100 purchase. I have the money in my bank account by the next day. Then you walk in with your government card and walk out with the exact sme thing everyone else does, but I have to hire two people to process and comply with the regulations, manage payments and fight with the government for 6 months to collect it, and I finally receive $50 and a take it or leave it note.

Pretty soon, you are not welcome in my store ever again.

I completely understand business, apparently far more than you understand Obamacare.

30 million people can go down the street to an ins company, ALL by themselves, and buy any policy they care to, or go through a broker .. no government necessary. The incomes of those people determine if they qualify for tax credits or subsidies to offset the cost of the policy. If I understand your business analogy correctly Hospitals, clinics, Dr offices etc will go out of business because people have too much insurance, and the insurance companies , not the government ! ..will take 6 months to pay their bills. Enter the accounting aspect into the analogy .. as a former COO of a company the posted 7 figure quarters, every quarter for 12 consecutive years and understand overhead and the cost of doing business in general, I'd have been a fool and out of a job to turn down $50 dollars out of every $100 I made.

with all due respect your analogy is rather sophomoric, and your basic argument lends itself to caregivers dealing with the government/ medicare rather than ins co's, etc

[JD Barleycorn]

CJ, if you're such an expert can you explain the new codes for injuries that doctors will have to fill out. What do these codes have to do with dispensing healthcare or making people better? There are 16,000 new codes to describe injuries or medical conditions.

[CJ7]

Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

CJ, if you're such an expert can you explain the new codes for injuries that doctors will have to fill out. What do these codes have to do with dispensing healthcare or making people better? There are 16,000 new codes to describe injuries or medical conditions.

Im no expert, and chances are the Dr's themselves wont deal with codes, that's why god invented office help and computers ...

try again soprt, you got nothing

[jbravo_123]

Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

CJ, if you're such an expert can you explain the new codes for injuries that doctors will have to fill out. What do these codes have to do with dispensing healthcare or making people better? There are 16,000 new codes to describe injuries or medical conditions.

Can you provide a link to what you're talking about regarding new codes? I wasn't able to find anything with a cursory Google search.

Most providers don't have to know the exact diagnosis codes themselves. Typically, they'll either have a billing specialist enter it in or their EMR (Electronic Medical Records) software will have them loaded and providers can just search by a description or name when entering their notes.

Likewise for CPT codes, providers hardly ever actually send the charges out themselves - their billers or billing company takes care of all of that for them.

Most doctors actually try and avoid as much as they can of the nitty gritty stuff of owning their own business. This is why there's an entire industry purely created around doing all the peripheral business stuff so all doctors have to do is just see patients and enter their notes.

[LordBeaverbrook]

Originally Posted by CJ7

Im no expert, and chances are the Dr's themselves wont deal with codes, that's why god invented office help and computers ...

try again soprt, you got nothing

So right, even though you aren't an expert. Doctors and hospitals buy software that does all that (I used to consult with a ton of them when HIPPA came out) and it seems half the providers I talk to are going to school for "medical billling" which is who actually puts those codes in at around $10 to $20 an hour.

JDB probably found it in a Blog post anyway or on Breitbart or the Blaze or some other site that parrots unsubstantiated blog posts.

[CJ7]

I personally know a woman that is a retired RN and does nothing but billing codes .... 16,000 eh JD ?

looks like theres a significant chance the law will create lots of new jobs, and the people that are already employed coding claims could get raises

[nwarounder]

Originally Posted by CJ7

I completely understand business, apparently far more than you understand Obamacare.

30 million people can go down the street to an ins company, ALL by themselves, and buy any policy they care to, or go through a broker .. no government necessary. The incomes of those people determine if they qualify for tax credits or subsidies to offset the cost of the policy. If I understand your business analogy correctly Hospitals, clinics, Dr offices etc will go out of business because people have too much insurance, and the insurance companies , not the government ! ..will take 6 months to pay their bills. Enter the accounting aspect into the analogy .. as a former COO of a company the posted 7 figure quarters, every quarter for 12 consecutive years and understand overhead and the cost of doing business in general, I'd have been a fool and out of a job to turn down $50 dollars out of every $100 I made.

with all due respect your analogy is rather sophomoric, and your basic argument lends itself to caregivers dealing with the government/ medicare rather than ins co's, etc

Hopefully you don't understand me. If your cost is $60 dollars and you would take $50 and not consider yourself a fool, I really can't help you understand this either. Doctors do have costs you know? The doctors can only see about 30 patients a day, period and they are already booked solid. So they have the easy choice of taking patients with cash or good insurance that pay them the theoretical $100 bucks per patient or government insurance that pays them $50. That would be a net loss vs. a profit. Don't know how to make it any easier to understand without being sophmoric for you.

[CJ7]

again your assuming patients are all on the government tit, when they aren't. Im not really sure what escapes you about people buying insurance andcarrying an insurance card .The only government assistance for those people are the tax credits or the subsidies they receive direct from the government. Dr's don't figure into that scenario in any fashion.