Hurt...

[Sfoster]

Originally Posted by Brookpwa

I had a similar experience this evening. The session ran over. And the gentlemen stated, that he better hurry up cause i may have someone else coming. I wasn't expecting anyone else. So I told him dont worry about that. When he mentioned again. I got annoyed only because it's not the client's responablity to worry about my schedule. Trust me if I had someone else scheduled. I would have said something. My client was scheduled and paid for a half hour. He was here an hour. I didn't even realize how long he had been here. Time flies when your having fun. I would prefer a session run over with a client leaving satisfied and not feeling rushed, over an alarm dinging Time is up you have put your shoes on outside dont worry It's cold out it will go down when you walk out. I understand you were trying to be considerate as was my client. It can be perceived that your being nosy. So GUYS DON'T WORRY OR IMPLY THAT I MAY HAVE SOMEONE ELSE COMING. ITS NOT Business or your job to worry about the Providers Scheduled. Perhaps you realized that, and that is why your hurt. Just saying.

The client is probably concerned you will demand payment for that extra half hour at the end of the festivities.

[Scribe]

Thanks all...

Look, its easy NOT TO POST. Don't post anything that makes you look anything other that the bravado or persona that you wish to represent. (right?)

I post true feelings on matters - and expect the "grow a pair" comments. (Those are valid as well). But the people who post those - would never post anything that shines a light into themselves as a person. When you've posted something other than a "bro's up, ho's down - slap a bitch" comment... come talk with me about the pair you've grown.

Just like reviews; I hear more truth and learn more from a review that talks more about the interaction than the acts... because I try to look beyond the showcase to understand the provider. And "yes", it is a mutual choice, but my choice is less about the rate - and more about the interaction.

Some of the comments already suggest a good plan - book what you wish, bring up nothing - and let the provider handle her own schedule privately. (Good advice) That's basically what I was trying to accomplish - but I think I worded it wrong.

However - if longer sessions aren't posted... how do you correctly bring that question up? I try never to discuss rates... but I would think that 1/2. 1. 90 & 2 would be fairly common rates that would (should?) be posted. if inclined, a provider posts B&G or dinner dates, or overnights... These are appreciated as well. Shyster John points out correctly - the danger is in negotiation, so posting "multi hour discounts" or "ask me about my specials" is just begging for trouble... but all un-posted un-clear rates are trouble.

... take the WW thread. The most important things that could be posted (my opinion) are these:

• Rates
• Menu (full, complete and any don'ts)
• Area of town for in-call
• Basic availability schedule
• Pictures (face preferred, but if not - a few good full body shots)

Why these aren't a mandated (template) to the WW posting, I don't know - but if not posted by the provider, they are the immediate questions that follow - every time.

In any event - I enjoy the perspective of many (good or bad); and I choose to be the way I am. Because there will always be providers I may see - that some hardened "grow a pair" Hobbyists will miss out on because they give them a "pass".

That's OK. Every provider isn't for every client (and vice versa)... that's what makes this great.

And every post isn't for everyone - a point proven in comments.

[DFW_Ladies_Man]

I'm always aware of my time. I had a fucked up situation once where went over our time. (it was an outcall to my place) we did our normal HHR session and she asked to take a shower before she left. Mind you we were both dressed and done but I wasn't going to kick her out under the circumstances. She showered and then expected an hourly rate because she stayed to shower...WTF.

Another time I was at a providers place...session done...I'm dressed and she's just chatting away. I specifically indicate the time--to not be rude and she is telling me "oh you are okay" and after 15 mins of talking....shes giving me another BBBJ--we go another round and after all is said and done I have been there 90 mins. In this situation...she didn't expect anything extra and I typically only bring enough in for the session anyway.

I typically find myself as the one rushing out just out of respect for her time but ladies shouldn't get upset about that...we don't know your schedule or what you have going on after we walk out the door. I have heard too many times on this board of ladies complaining that a guy stayed an extra 10-15 mins. I guess you have to seriously gauge the provider, some are clock watchers, some don't give a fuck and just want company and stimulating conversation.

[Butch Cassidy]

Scribe your explanation made me feel like I was watching a Todd Solondz movie....Why didn't you just ask if you could extend the time?
Not brow beating you man but "Keep it Simple"

[pmdelites]

scribe,
"Don't post anything that makes you look anything other that the bravado or persona that you wish to represent. (right?)"

my suggestion is that as long as your straightforward and honest (as much as we can be in this hidden sub-culture), post what you want and then own it.

while i can understand your situation and how you feel about it, in my mind, asking about appts and rates shouldnt be about feelings or emotions or getting jaded or getting hurt. it's just about setting something up, period.

since each provider (generally) sets her own schedule and rates, i never assume what her rates are. i just ask. (*)

if i'm interested in an appt w/ a woman and she doesnt list the appt length i'm interested in [not in her showcase, ads, signature or website], i just ask...
"i'd like to come visit you for (x amount of time). i saw in your ad/showcase that you offer multi-hour discounts. what is the fee for that amount of time?" [possibly include a link to her ad or showcase]
or
"i'd like to come visit you for (x amount of time). i've read your ads and showcase didnt see a fee for that amount of time. what is the fee for that?"

very similar to what you might ask a licensed massage therapist or musician or other service providers.

good luck!!


(*) okay, there was one time i assumed my 1.5hr mtg was going to be at the same rate as my previous 1.5hr mtg w/ a sexy mature provide. i assumed wrong - which led to an awkward moment when laid the fee on her kitchen counter as i was leaving. so akward that i decided it best to quit consulting w/ her. the sun rose the next day. and i learned my lesson.

[Chung Tran]

well.. I think the whole situation got blown beyond proportion.. a few of you think Scribe should not have assumed she had other guys booked, and should have ignored the possibility in his inquiry.. yeah, in a perfect conversation, perhaps.. but he was talking to a Provider, that's what they do.. Provide.. to multiple guys.

would Colonel Sanders get upset if you walked in, and ordered a bucket of chicken.. and.. "oh, can you please give me 5 original recipe, and 7 extra crispy? I know that's a non-standard order, and you might have guys waiting in the drive-thru"..

would Colonel Sanders get upset that you implied he has other people that desire his finger-licking goodness?

[Scribe]

Originally Posted by Butch Cassidy

Scribe your explanation made me feel like I was watching a Todd Solondz movie....Why didn't you just ask if you could extend the time?
Not brow beating you man but "Keep it Simple"

Appreciate the thought Butch... I agree, but I thought it couldn't have been any more simple, brief of polite: Here it is... After 20 minutes of playful texting, which she seemed to enjoy...

Offense - Verbatim from texts:
(Her) When? How long? Requests?

(Me) I can be there at 9pm. Are you stacking tonight? I know the hour - but I don't see "beyond"...lol.

(Her) What's stacking?

(Me) ...fitting in others? In other words, you already have other booked this evening.. "So, hurry the F up, as I need to be ready for a 10:30?" ... as opposed to "nope - just decided on you... come pleasure me and then its sleepy time". The first instructs me to be direct and purposeful... The later asks the question :what's 2 hours?

That's it in total. I thought I was politely asking if she's free for just the hour, or the rest of the night, so I could book a longer session (2 hr)... and again, wrong choice of words (obviously) - but I thought - an attractive provider, in an out-call, might have more going on (or something scheduled with someone) later in the evening, that I didn't want to impinge upon. And we had been joking around, she seemed direct, so I felt it was ok phrasing.

If she only had an hour available - it's not my basic preference, but being considerate of possible scheduling obligations I could be "direct and purposeful" get there, have our fun, respect the clock, and leave by 10 (1 hr)... (which in this case, I would have agreed to - because I really wanted to see this particular person - even if that meant for only an hour - being impressed by her reviews, and showcase).

All was great before there in texting (much), and after that all was her reading me the riot act, for my suggestions that she might see multiple people. That was my total "offensive" remarks.

Again - had she posted a two hour rate - it never would have come up. "Multi-hour discounts!" doesn't tell me anything. She might have thrown a number where my next response would have been "What's 3? What's 4?"

(Look, I don't mind paying for the time - I just want to be 100% clear on what I can afford - and what's expected in the donation envelope). Many guys here would balk at a $500, $800, or $1500 night... I don't. But on any given evening, it varies... I can't afford $1500 every time. Its why I see so few providers... better one or two a month, I really want to see - for a longer session - and carefully choose whom I try to see... than put up an ISO daily for $100 BJ.

For me its quality & experience, not quantity... (Hence why this hurt, being so misunderstood).

And, again - I know we live in a world where people are getting into the habit that "one wrong word" can throw them into a tizzy... but as CT says - You wouldn't expect KFC to get upset if you're discussing chicken (paraphrasing you there CT).

So - I'm obviously wrong in her book. And an apology (a hundred) happened. I don't know what else to say. But I'm making every effort to understand - was that - somehow - THAT offensive? (Maybe it was, obviously to her it was... I'm just trying to learn here... to avoid this next time - which wrecked, what I thought, was going to be a fun and magnificent evening.)

[Brandofan]

It seems to me that you were trying to be thoughtful and accommodating, and while normally that would be a good thing in this case is came off as presumptuous and a bit offensive. The hobby is not the same as dating IRL, no matter how much IOP we gloss over.

I am not faulting you for having feelings and trying to be considerate. There is nothing wrong with that so long as you don't let your kindness and generosity be taken advantage of. But do not insert yourself into her business outside of your time with her. The hobby is discreet by its nature, and it just comes off weird to basically say "Hey, can you fuck me within this time window and still have time to fuck the guys before and after me?".

I also suspect that your 'one hundred' apologies is not helping. In fact I suspect it is quite the opposite. At the very least she doesn't need the drama. At worst she is moving to blacklist you as an obsessive creep. Move on, dude.

Again, I think your intent was innocent enough and she probably overreacted, but take your lumps and learn your lesson: do not mention or involve yourself with her business outside of that with you. Next time just request what you want and let her take it from there.

[Scribe]

Brandofan, appreciate the perspective

[micktoz]

8 Wow, some of you guys are disrespectful pricks.
The OP, in thinking he was being respectful, told a woman that he knows what she was thinking. Wrong!
If you want to get along with someone,ask what they want or expect and allow them to answer. That's respect!
If you are not told what anyone is thinking, then you don't know. It's disrespectful to make assumptions.
Then you arseholes who talk like "pussy is pussy" or "grow some balls", wouldn't know how to respect another human being.

[Iaintliein]

It's impossible to spend enough time with any of the providers to truly know them well enough to avoid mis speaking at some point.

Some here act like giving offense is part of the fun, but for those who mean no offense, yet cause it inadvertently, there's no remedy but to move on. See someone often enough for long enough and it's almost inevitable that someone will get upset about something that's said or done. It's just human nature.

[Scribe]

Micktoz, I appreciate respect... and I appreciate the fact that you saw, I was trying to be respectful. I'd like to point out, this was a first time meeting with a new provider (New to me).
I've read your reviews... And like me, you tend to see the same girls quite a bit. I can guarantee you, had any of the other women I see heard this... They would have understood that it was just a question... In my often satirical joking manner " are you free for the night? Or if I ask for more, will that screw other things you have planned?" mind you, I should have asked it more eloquently. but I don't feel that question, in and of itself is disrespectful.

this wasn't the extension of a session we're already IN... it was completely during the setup phase. and I'm in no way suggesting that she was out of line in any way...
again, I'm simply trying to gain perspective here.
But, I appreciate you sharing yet another viewpoint... Thanks

[L.A.]

Originally Posted by Scribe

After 20 minutes of playful texting, which she seemed to enjoy...

Offense - Verbatim from texts:
(Her) When? How long? Requests?

(Me) I can be there at 9pm. Are you stacking tonight? I know the hour - but I don't see "beyond"...lol.

(Her) What's stacking?

(Me) ...fitting in others? In other words, you already have other booked this evening.. "So, hurry the F up, as I need to be ready for a 10:30?" ... as opposed to "nope - just decided on you... come pleasure me and then its sleepy time". The first instructs me to be direct and purposeful... The later asks the question :what's 2 hours?

In all honesty, just that small part got on my nerves. I can't imagine putting up with 20 minutes of that. I know you're a "scribe" and all that entails but being concise is not your strong suit.

[Scribe]

Originally Posted by L.A.

In all honesty, just that small part got on my nerves. I can't imagine putting up with 20 minutes of that. I know you're a "scribe" and all that entails but being concise is not your strong suit.

Roflmao 😂

Touché

[Scribe]

L.A.... you're so correct, but the choice process for this provider demanded it. We are both highly sapiosexual, so there was a lot of mental foreplay happening. It is one of the things, besides her phenomenal beauty that so deeply attracted me... and probably why any of this was even posted.