Capitalism: A Love Story!

[WombRaider]

Originally Posted by Budman

WTF does that mean? Twice as much? 200 times as much? Or is it just $2.00 more?

I think with capitalism, you fall prey to human nature, just as you do with communism. Greed. When is enough, enough?

[Budman]

Originally Posted by WombRaider

I think with capitalism, you fall prey to human nature, just as you do with communism. Greed. When is enough, enough?

So why is it a problem if the ceo makes 300 percent more than a minimum wage employee? You didn't answer the question. How much should a ceo be paid?

[WombRaider]

Originally Posted by Budman

So why is it a problem if the ceo makes 300 percent more than a minimum wage employee? You didn't answer the question. How much should a ceo be paid?

Why is it a problem? You don't find it the least bit disgusting? Whatever their pay should be, it shouldn't be 300 times their employee's wage.

[Budman]

Originally Posted by WombRaider

Why is it a problem? You don't find it the least bit disgusting? Whatever their pay should be, it shouldn't be 300 times their employee's wage.

No I don't.

Please explain why? You asked me if I thought it was OK. I do. I've asked you several times what you think they should be paid and you keep avoiding the question. Stand behind your convictions. If you don't think they should be paid 300 times more than their lowest paid employee please tell me what you think is fair?

[WombRaider]

Originally Posted by Budman

No I don't.

Please explain why? You asked me if I thought it was OK. I do. I've asked you several times what you think they should be paid and you keep avoiding the question. Stand behind your convictions. If you don't think they should be paid 300 times more than their lowest paid employee please tell me what you think is fair?

You want some abstract number, and I can't give you that. What's fair? I don't know what's fair, but I do know that 300 times sounds completely unfair and more than a little bit disgusting.

[Budman]

Originally Posted by WombRaider

You want some abstract number, and I can't give you that. What's fair? I don't know what's fair, but I do know that 300 times sounds completely unfair and more than a little bit disgusting.

You claim it is unfair yet you refuse to say what is fair. So is 250 times more OK? You started this discussion and now you want to crawfish out of it. You said it is unfair so fucking tell me what you consider fair? Is it a flat dollar amount or is it a percentage?

[WombRaider]

Originally Posted by Budman

You claim it is unfair yet you refuse to say what is fair. So is 250 times more OK? You started this discussion and now you want to crawfish out of it. You said it is unfair so fucking tell me what you consider fair? Is it a flat dollar amount or is it a percentage?

I'm not trying to get out of it. Saying you don't know is an acceptable answer. I just think it sounds unfair when the people actually contributing to the success of a venture are not properly compensated for their efforts. The market will ultimately determine what that number is. Doesn't mean it's fair.

[Budman]

Originally Posted by WombRaider

I'm not trying to get out of it. Saying you don't know is an acceptable answer. I just think it sounds unfair when the people actually contributing to the success of a venture are not properly compensated for their efforts. The market will ultimately determine what that number is. Doesn't mean it's fair.

The market does decide. It doesn't have anything to do with fair or unfair. Liberals always want to tell others how to spend their money. The salary of a CEO is whatever the board or company decide he is worth. Their decision has many parts to it. All employees, including the CEO, are there to make the company money. If the CEO gets paid 500 times what the lowest paid employee makes but grows the company and makes the company money then he is worth it. Most low paying jobs have a cap to what that position pays. Period. The market decides what that rate is. Trying to tie the salary of others to what a low paying position pays is ridiculous.

[WombRaider]

Originally Posted by Budman

The market does decide. It doesn't have anything to do with fair or unfair. Liberals always want to tell others how to spend their money. The salary of a CEO is whatever the board or company decide he is worth. Their decision has many parts to it. All employees, including the CEO, are there to make the company money. If the CEO gets paid 500 times what the lowest paid employee makes but grows the company and makes the company money then he is worth it. Most low paying jobs have a cap to what that position pays. Period. The market decides what that rate is. Trying to tie the salary of others to what a low paying position pays is ridiculous.

I'm not trying to tie the salary of one position to another. I'm simply asking the question; is what the CEO does really worth 300 times more? It's more of a philosophical question than an economical one. Everyone is free to do with their money what they will. That doesn't mean it's right. You say it has nothing to do with fair or unfair. Maybe it should.

[Budman]

Originally Posted by WombRaider

I'm not trying to tie the salary of one position to another. I'm simply asking the question; is what the CEO does really worth 300 times more? It's more of a philosophical question than an economical one. Everyone is free to do with their money what they will. That doesn't mean it's right. You say it has nothing to do with fair or unfair. Maybe it should.

You most certainly are trying to tie the salary of one position to another. You are worth whatever someone is willing to pay you. Who gets to decide what is fair? You? Me? The fucking government? Come on. Companies get to decide what a position pays and if they are not paying what the market says it is worth then their employees will be going elsewhere. You need to get it out of your head that everything in life has to be fair. It's not.

[WombRaider]

Originally Posted by Budman

You most certainly are trying to tie the salary of one position to another. You are worth whatever someone is willing to pay you. Who gets to decide what is fair? You? Me? The fucking government? Come on. Companies get to decide what a position pays and if they are not paying what the market says it is worth then their employees will be going elsewhere. You need to get it out of your head that everything in life has to be fair. It's not.

I'm well aware that not everything is fair. Which is exactly why I'm asking this question. Why wouldn't you want to make something fair, if you could? Just saying, 'well it's not fair anyway, so fuck it,' is not acceptable to me.

You're hung up on how we would decide and you say let the market decide. The market is people. Just doing something the way you've always done it, because that's the way you've always done it, is the worst reason in the world to continue doing something that way.

[Budman]

Originally Posted by WombRaider

I'm well aware that not everything is fair. Which is exactly why I'm asking this question. Why wouldn't you want to make something fair, if you could? Just saying, 'well it's not fair anyway, so fuck it,' is not acceptable to me.

You're hung up on how we would decide and you say let the market decide. The market is people. Just doing something the way you've always done it, because that's the way you've always done it, is the worst reason in the world to continue doing something that way.

You say the market is people. Well what do you have in mind? Government? That's people. The market is certainly a lot more fair than the government would be. Please tell me what your solution is? What better way than the one we have?

[WombRaider]

Originally Posted by Budman

You say the market is people. Well what do you have in mind? Government? That's people. The market is certainly a lot more fair than the government would be. Please tell me what your solution is? What better way than the one we have?

I don't know. I'm not sure how if both entities are comprised of people, one can be inherently more fair than the other.

[CuteOldGuy]

In other words, WormRaper, you're just spouting BS that sounds pretty, but really has no substance.

[WombRaider]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

In other words, WormRaper, you're just spouting BS that sounds pretty, but really has no substance.

You don't think fairness or equality has any substance?