CNN Is Just Making Up Poll Numbers Now

[joe bloe]

Originally Posted by CJ7

actually, CNN did llie


its not a 7% lead

its 9%


D'OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH

Why not quote the Pew Research poll; they've got Obama up by 10%. They only had to poll twice as many Dimos as Republicans to get it. I really think they back into the poll. They skew the sample group as much as necessary to get the number they want.

[Whirlaway]

Actually I did; and you can clearly see that the polling is based on randomly selected registered voters and a bunch of hispanics thrown in to boot.....not very reliable nor scientific...............and if you dig deep into the weeds of the poll you see that respondents who are very interested in the election favor Romney !!!!!!!!!!!

Only trust polls that tract likely voters; everything else is lipstick on a pig.

Originally Posted by SkylarCruzWantsYou

Reading is fundamental, did you bother to click the link associated with the Fox news PDF that has a record of their polls this past summer? I guess not- just a skimmer.

[CJ7]

Originally Posted by joe bloe

Why not quote the Pew Research poll; they've got Obama up by 10%. They only had to poll twice as many Dimos as Republicans to get it. I really think they back into the poll. They skew the sample group as much as necessary to get the number they want.

why not shove fox up your butt like you always do?

[AdventureAdams]

I thought that was how all polls are conducted by a random selection unless you are used to your trusted News Outlets to just pick and choose who ever they think will give the a better outcome on whichever side they are biased on. Are you saying that FOX NEWS is biased along with the money other news organizations that a reporting the same statistics as FOX and has something against Romney so they have an agenda when it comes to polling?

The additional interviews of Hispanic respondents were done to allow analysis of the subgroup, and are weighted so Hispanics are not over-represented in the overall national sample. The total 170 of Hispanics is made up of 55 interviews done as part of the base national sample and 115 oversample interviews from a list of Hispanic voters developed from previously conducted national random digit dial (RDD) surveys. Oversample interviews were conducted in both English and Spanish.

They most likely ( just my guess) oversampled on Hispanics because they want to see their specific view on the campaign since the Hispanic vote is a big deal for both Romney and Obama.

[Guest123018-4]

I think they use their Magic 8 ball......

[AdventureAdams]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

Only trust polls that tract likely voters; everything else is lipstick on a pig.

I pretty sure an American citizen wouldn't take a long survery to express their opinions on the Presidential campaign if they didn't have intentions on voting. Would seem like a big waste of time to me.

[Annef]

Originally Posted by SkylarCruzWantsYou

A few weeks ago you guys where having hard-ons whenever Romney was edging in the polls, and now that Obama's in the lead you think it is monopolized thrash. Even Fox News is broadcasting that Obama is in the leads at the polls you guys need to get your panties out of a bunch and just deal with it. We won't know who is president until the election.

Romney panders to a certain type of demographic and that certain demographic are the only one that like Romney more than Obama, the only polls he leads on is when it comes to race. He needs to stop licking the ass crack of the Tea Party and try to convince the rest of America that he is competent of changing the country and which SPECIFIC ways he will go about changing it if he wins instead of pointing out the things Obama is doing wrong.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/inte...idential-race/

Thank you! Why is it that whenever die hard republicans are losing its always due to some media conspiracy? To quote john stewart,"It's a shit sandwhich; its supposed to taste like shit". And, if ya'll don't like it, you need to fix your party. Pandering to the vilage idiots within the party (ie tea partiers) will insure an Obama re-election.

[joe bloe]

Originally Posted by SkylarCruzWantsYou

I thought that was how all polls are conducted by a random selection unless you are used to your trusted News Outlets to just pick and choose who ever they think will give the a better outcome on whichever side they are biased on. Are you saying that FOX NEWS is biased along with the money other news organizations that a reporting the same statistics as FOX and has something against Romney so they have an agenda when it comes to polling?



They most likely ( just my guess) oversampled on Hispanics because they want to see their specific view on the campaign since the Hispanic vote is a big deal for both Romney and Obama.

No, polling performed in order to predict the outcome of an election, is absolutely not supposed to be done based on a randomly selected sample group.

Legitimate pollsters are trying to only poll the people most likely to vote; that isn't acheived by random selection. It doesn't do the pollster any good to know how people intend to vote, if in fact, they don't intend to vote.

In addition, legitimate pollsters make an effort to poll a sample group that is demographically representative of people who actually turn out to vote. They try not to interview too many old people, too many young people, too many white people, too many Democrats or too many Republicans, etc.

It's very easy for a pollster to get any result he wants, simply by oversampling a certain group. You can't just poll an NRA meeting or a NAACP meeting, and assume that's going provide an accurate representation of the national vote.

Poll results are meaningless, unless the sample group is fairly chosen. Many of the recent polls are obviously rigged.

[Whirlaway]

It isn't a "conspiracy"...it is called critical thinking. Understanding the polling methods and how those methods effect outcomes.........

I am very happy with Obamazombies living in their world of denial.......it will make the outcome sweeter..............

Keep thinking that a president who has an approval rating consistently in the low 40% range can be leading by such a wide margin......it makes it easier to beat opposition who isn't thinking clearly.

BTW; what Jon Stewart should have said was : "If someone serves you a shit sandwich, you don't have to necessarily eat it." But that is your call if you want to eat the sandwich or not.

[joe bloe]

Originally Posted by CJ7

why not shove fox up your butt like you always do?

You commie-libs are always saying that Fox is just right wing propaganda. So does this mean you'll finally concede they're "fair and balanced"? Or, do you think this some sort of diabolical trick by the evil right wingers?

[CJ7]

Originally Posted by joe bloe

No, polling performed in order to predict the outcome of an election, is absolutely not supposed to be done based on a randomly selected sample group.

Legitimate pollsters are trying to only poll the people most likely to vote; that isn't acheived by random selection. It doesn't do the pollster any good to know how people intend to vote, if in fact, they don't intend to vote.

In addition, legitimate pollsters make an effort to poll a sample group that is demographically representative of people who actually turn out to vote. They try not to interview too many old people, too many young people, too many white people, too many Democrats or too many Republicans, etc.

It's very easy for a pollster to get any result he wants, simply by oversampling a certain group. You can't just poll an NRA meeting or a NAACP meeting, and assume that's going provide an accurate representation of the national vote.

Poll results are meaningless, unless the sample group is fairly chosen. Many of the recent polls are obviously rigged.

huh?

no random polls?

oh yeah I forgot ... Fox hand picks the people in their polls.

In this case they couldnt find enough Romney supporters to make up th 9% lead Obie has over Willard

[CuteOldGuy]

Originally Posted by SkylarCruzWantsYou

Well if you are getting hard-ons over Romney I am thinking that dick ain't meant for me lol

Well, that's a visual we could all have done without.

It's a little early to be gloating over polls. There is plenty of time left for one or both candidates to truly screw things up for themselves.

Wait until November. Then maybe the polls will be more relevant.

[joe bloe]

Originally Posted by CJ7

huh?

no random polls?

oh yeah I forgot ... Fox hand picks the people in their polls.

In this case they couldnt find enough Romney supporters to make up th 9% lead Obie has over Willard

No the polls are ABSOLUTELY NOT RANDOM. You really are clueless. Polls are designed to predict the behavior of a particular group of people, voters. The sample group is deliberately crafted to exclude people who don't vote.

This is pretty simple stuff. Even you should be able to understand it.

[CJ7]

Originally Posted by joe bloe

No the polls are ABSOLUTELY NOT RANDOM. You really are clueless. Polls are designed to predict the behavior of a particular group of people, voters. The sample group is deliberately crafted to exclude people who don't vote.

This is pretty simple stuff. Even you should be able to understand it.

in other words a random sample of a specific group.


thanks, I knew that

[Laz]

I will wait until after the first debate to get worried one way or the other. If you remember the polls in 08 there are times they showed McCain would win.