Frequent Fly Her Discounts

[guest010313]

Originally Posted by MsElena

Sillygirl,

Do you think for one minute that guys who are asking for the discounts or asking about rates being based upon their ability to pay are going to be able to afford a sugar daddy type of arrangement? I don't think so! Plus, they aren't looking for anything but to apply pressure to see you as often as they can for as little as they can.

If you're offering unlimited or exclusive access, then you're not an escort, you would be a sugar baby. Also keep in mind that once you accept that type of offer, most gents will assume that you're off the market (forecer) because any man who enters into that type of arrangement ALWAYS requires his sugar baby to be exclusive to him only.

Another point to make is that in an exclusive arrangement such as above mentioned is ALWAYS considered to be a bare back arrangement. Even if its not with you, its what others will think and that is a bad rep to have.

Not to mention if you enter into that type of arrangement and you take another client appointment and say you are at the movies or whatever - guys talk - and then your monthly arrangement ends badly.

If that is what you truly want in your life, a sugar daddy - why bother being here at all, seriously? You'd be better off trolling the clubs or the other sites that cater to THAT type of arrangement. IMO Sugar Daddy / Sugar Baby relationships are as FAR from being a profesisonal hobby relationship as you can get.

You know, that horse looks pretty high, might want to think about finding a pony instead.

I have had successful sugar daddy relationships (not bareback btw, (please, no references to underage activities - LaCrew), I know better). The question partially referred to monthly arrangements and I explained my position. Now, whether that fits into your definition of the hobby or not why does it matter? Oh noes! Someone is not working hourly! Lynch her!

You run your business the way that you see fit and I will run mine. I do not endanger myself or others and that should really be your only concern. If I choose to be friends within my professional boundaries that is none of your concern. And for all the lectures on professionalism....small businesses keep customers by adding those little extras. The locally owned coffee shop that knows my order and has it up at the counter by the time I get to the front of the line? Will always have my business. The gas station that comps my coffee in the morning? I fill my tank there.

As for judging a man's ability to pay for a monthly arrangement based on his beginning a discussion regarding discounts....honey, people with money tend to be frugal and that is how they keep their money. I always ask for discounts if I think I might be able to get one regardless of the amount of cash I have in the bank.

There are many people in this world. Don't assume you know the only way to live.

[Madison_Gable]

Originally Posted by SillyGirl

You know, that horse looks pretty high, might want to think about finding a pony instead.

I have had successful sugar daddy relationships (not bareback btw,(deleted prohibited subject - LaCrew), I know better). The question partially referred to monthly arrangements and I explained my position. Now, whether that fits into your definition of the hobby or not why does it matter? Oh noes! Someone is not working hourly! Lynch her!

You run your business the way that you see fit and I will run mine. I do not endanger myself or others and that should really be your only concern. If I choose to be friends within my professional boundaries that is none of your concern. And for all the lectures on professionalism....small businesses keep customers by adding those little extras. The locally owned coffee shop that knows my order and has it up at the counter by the time I get to the front of the line? Will always have my business. The gas station that comps my coffee in the morning? I fill my tank there.

As for judging a man's ability to pay for a monthly arrangement based on his beginning a discussion regarding discounts....honey, people with money tend to be frugal and that is how they keep their money. I always ask for discounts if I think I might be able to get one regardless of the amount of cash I have in the bank.

There are many people in this world. Don't assume you know the only way to live.

+1

[MsElena]

Originally Posted by SillyGirl

You know, that horse looks pretty high, might want to think about finding a pony instead.

I have had successful sugar daddy relationships (not bareback btw, (comment removed by Bubba....see original post.) The question partially referred to monthly arrangements and I explained my position. Now, whether that fits into your definition of the hobby or not why does it matter? Oh noes! Someone is not working hourly! Lynch her!

You run your business the way that you see fit and I will run mine. I do not endanger myself or others and that should really be your only concern. If I choose to be friends within my professional boundaries that is none of your concern. And for all the lectures on professionalism....small businesses keep customers by adding those little extras. The locally owned coffee shop that knows my order and has it up at the counter by the time I get to the front of the line? Will always have my business. The gas station that comps my coffee in the morning? I fill my tank there.

As for judging a man's ability to pay for a monthly arrangement based on his beginning a discussion regarding discounts....honey, people with money tend to be frugal and that is how they keep their money. I always ask for discounts if I think I might be able to get one regardless of the amount of cash I have in the bank.

There are many people in this world. Don't assume you know the only way to live.

Sillygirl,

I was speaking in "generalities" and I didn't mean or intend for you to take my posting SO personally. I apologize.

As for your comment about "sport", it is a board prohibited topic.

Choose to live however you want to live - if you endanger yourself well that is your prerogative.

I was referring to a TRUE Sugar Daddy / Sugar Baby relationship - which I don't think you MAY really understand. In that relationship, YOU'RE OWNED, and yes, it is most always considered bareback. Girls that don't realize how those types of guys are can get themselves hurt. I hope that you understand that (so I guess a little I do care if you endanger yourself).

As for the rest of it, the OP said "low low low price" - I'm not speaking about people that HAVE money, obviously, the OP does not.

I stand by my statement on discounts and haggling. You might want to look up the definition of courtesan, because a true courtesan wouldn't have to haggle or think of accepting less.

I'll be happy to respond if need be after I'm done seeing my hourly appointments today.

As for that pony, no thank you. I much prefer the stallion that I have back in Texas.

[Guest121212]

Well, so much for not starting a war (the banter in the few posts immediately preceding mine) . . . I am hopeful this thread doesn't completely disintegrate. It is difficult to imagine, however, especially as much as this has been debated and discussed previously (time and time again, and again) and combined with the fact that most all of these type of threads have "exploded" and been subsequently closed, that this issue could ever be a discussion free from strong emotions . . I can hope we all just try to discuss things civilly . . . IMO (and it may not at all have been the intent of the OP) it does seem that the manner in which the thread was begun was somewhat "baiting". I admit I may have that opinion only becasue this issue seems to come up once every few months and it NEVER seems to end well (as a discussion) . . .

I have a published rate, my rate is my rate. I don't haggle. That is my choice.

If I choose to offer my returning clients a reduced rate, extended time or any other "extra" or "perk", that is between me and my client. And it isn't publicly discussed. It does make good business sense to offer something, and, many ladies do in one form or another, and I do likewise. The only "discount" I publish is in the instance of your having MULTIPLE recent "okays" on P411 or if you are a returning P411 client. My "workload" in getting a P411 client vetted is less (at least it is made easier in checking references) and my rate is reflective of that convenience. Those clients of mine that are offered a "rate" earn it through respect, loyalty and their treatment of me during an appointment combined with their expressed desire to return more often. I have an over 90% return rate, and it isn't becasue of price . . . it is directly due to how I treat my client. Of course, if a gentleman is seeing me twice a month (or more frequently), they're going to enjoy some manner of special treatment. The funny thing is, MOST ALL of my clients that see me that often pay my published fee, even when a "discount" is offered . . . they just "fly full fare" and consider it a tip. When they call or email to book with me, they know they will get preferential treatment and I'll accommodate their request before I will book with someone else.

I do agree with Swarmyone and Lacrew that there are things that can work very well in traditional marketing (such as buy three, get one free and other similar promotions) that when applied to this endeavor seem to cheapen the experience and diminish the quality of the interaction - from both sides. I also agree that it is my decision (solely) on what, if any, "perk" I decide to extend and to whom it is extended as Ms Elena points out.

I do not offer engagements lasting longer than four hours, so I would not ever entertain a "sugar daddy" type arrangement. I may have strong feelings about that type of a relationship, but I don't "have a dog in the hunt". That type of arrangement, for me, is counter-intuitive to the manner in which I run my business as a professional Escort (and, IMO, counter-intuitive to allowing a person to have a healthy sense of self / self-worth).

As for the statement, "Should rates be based on ability to pay, . . . ?". Well, I don't even know where to begin, but I do know that it would be much better to just shake my head in disbelief rather than even attempt to address it . . . I am consistently amazed by some of the comments on this (and other) boards . . . hell, including those made myself! LOL!

Also, I do want to point out that I do not contract sex for money (as is the subject directly implied in the original post). I would assume that none of the other ladies that have answered this thread do either . . . I do, however, have a fee for my time, which is perfectly legal.

Kisses,

- Jackie

[Sweet N Little]

I think u would run into to many issues (unlimited ) what if your not available? then theres the whold issue if they feel there not getting their moneys worth etc then it messes up a perfectly good thing if their a regular. Too many issues

Point is...U get what u pay for, u want a discount go to Walmart
(ouch that was mean for me being so sweet lol)

[Allie_Kat]

Just curious as to what the monthly "subscription" rate would be for "unlimited" access to your favorite provider?
I doubt either one would come up with something that both parties think is fair.

[guest010313]

Originally Posted by Allie_Kat

Just curious as to what the monthly "subscription" rate would be for "unlimited" access to your favorite provider?
I doubt either one would come up with something that both parties think is fair.

Like any business arrangement, that can be decided between the two people involved. If you cannot come to an equitable agreement then don't do it. One of my clients told me about a woman with whom he was discussing a SD/SB arrangement and he declined because she wanted 5k a month to literally just be friends. If she can swing it, more power to her. But obviously that will be a hard sell. I've also had a man request an exclusive arrangement which would have included him LIVING WITH ME for 2 weeks a month for what would have worked out to about 1500/month. I declined lol.

Negotiating hourly rates is not something I have any interest in doing. But there has to be some of that with give and take on both sides when discussing longer term. Plus it works out better if he is married, then that unlimited is pretty much covered under my regular hours anyway so there ya go.

[stacy in kc]

i recently saw a guy who had made an appointment with me for 2 hrs, then asked me to stay longer, said he had no problem with the additional fee. I was there 3 hrs and he spent(or wasted)another 25 min. of my time trying to convince me that he didnt owe me the amount stated in my ad,
he claimed that no providers do that, they all give discounts, and he said only providers who give big discounts are successful. he claimed they dont charge the amount stated in their ads. I never had to listen to so much BS in my life. I did leave with the correct amount and he has not called again, but I would not go back anyway. i do sometimes give discounts but that is clearly stated in my ads, I cant believe how some guys seem to assume they can get an even deeper discount.

[SinsOfTheFlesh]

After reading some of the replies, I went back and re-read the OP's post to see what I missed that would warrant a hostile response. I couldn't see it.

I can't speak for other ladies, but there are a few gents who are still grandfathered at my original rate I started with 4 years ago. In my opinion they deserve it because after 4 years, I am still seeing them on a regular basis. Others are grandfathered at somewhat higher rates than my original rates, also reflective of the fact that they continue to see me on a regular basis.

For me, having a base of regular gentleman is what I prefer, so I will go out of my way to build and maintain lasting relationships with the men that I see. I simply feel more comfortable getting to know a smaller group of regulars as opposed to the ever changing landscape made up of a steady stream of first time visitors.

I think what really matters here is that every lady structures her rates, and decides how she wishes to handle repeat visitors based on what works best for her. Some of us offer grandfathered or discounted rates to encourage regular return visits, others prefer not to. Both preferences have their upside and their downside. Its up to the lady to decide which 'upside' suits her needs.

PS. I wracked my brain and couldn't think of a single service oriented profession - hairstylist, retail service, mechanic etc that does not offer specials, discounts, or loyalty rewards in some form or fashion.

[Marilyn Paige]

I wouldnt either i agree with elana 100 percent! If you want to see someone that often then make sure you have the money to do it, if not then wait.

[luxurie4u]

Originally Posted by SinsOfTheFlesh

After reading some of the replies, I went back and re-read the OP's post to see what I missed that would warrant a hostile response. I couldn't see it.

I can't speak for other ladies, but there are a few gents who are still grandfathered at my original rate I started with 4 years ago. In my opinion they deserve it because after 4 years, I am still seeing them on a regular basis. Others are grandfathered at somewhat higher rates than my original rates, also reflective of the fact that they continue to see me on a regular basis.

For me, having a base of regular gentleman is what I prefer, so I will go out of my way to build and maintain lasting relationships with the men that I see. I simply feel more comfortable getting to know a smaller group of regulars as opposed to the ever changing landscape made up of a steady stream of first time visitors.

I think what really matters here is that every lady structures her rates, and decides how she wishes to handle repeat visitors based on what works best for her. Some of us offer grandfathered or discounted rates to encourage regular return visits, others prefer not to. Both preferences have their upside and their downside. Its up to the lady to decide which 'upside' suits her needs.

PS. I wracked my brain and couldn't think of a single service oriented profession - hairstylist, retail service, mechanic etc that does not offer specials, discounts, or loyalty rewards in some form or fashion.

+1 - I totally agree. We all do what we are comfortable doing.

[Guest032514-1]

I agree with everybody here and I disagree with all of you.

If you want preferential treatment - earn it.

I am still seeing people who first saw me in July 08. Some I see once a month or so, some I see every 2 weeks and some I see once a week. One I see every 6 weeks or so, one flies me to him every 3 months etc. These guys go to the front of the line, get exactly what they want (mostly), have my private number, can text me...name it.

They have all proven to be valuable reliable clients.

Do they get perks? Birthday freebies, extended time, 'grandfathered in" ....you bet they do! They spend on average 8k a year on me (some are 20k some are 5K some are 10k per annum).

Somebody sees me 45-50 times a year, spends 10k a year on me they're kings and they get treated that way. They earned it.

[London Rayne]

I don't think it should be expected, but many ladies do in fact offer more time...not less money whenever POSSIBLE! You have to realize for many, this is their ONLY source of income and if they give it away, they are the ones worried come bill time. If someone is searching for an SD here..more power to her. You could not pay me enough to be with only one man lmao..and I have been married twice!

For instance, I consider a regular client someone I have seen more than 3 times because I travel a lot. Normally on the 4th meeting I offer extra time, but NEVER go lower than my hourly min. That's money out of my pocket that I could have made with someone else willing to pay it. I might see 2 guys a week while at home so I do have the time to hang out, but when I tour it's impossible. I am already missing school and my child, so I want to make as much as possible without being exhausted lol.

If I book an appt. at say 7 p.m. for only 90 min. and he offers to take me to dinner, 90 percent of the time I am all game to go for free because it is NOT costing me money. It actually saved me 20 bucks I would have spent eating alone, and who wants to do that.

Now, you won't find me advertising that because many guys do in fact pay for a dinner date that would end around 9, and that saves me from having to see 2 guys when I could see just one. I hate seeing more than one guy a day...bluck!

I think if you are respectful and you have enjoyed service from the lady, perhaps kindly asking her to consider more time rather than less money would be the most proper way to make both parties happy...but what do I know lol. I will say that this is not Smoothie King, so the punch card idea is a bit elementary and tacky.

[London Rayne]

Originally Posted by stacy in kc

i recently saw a guy who had made an appointment with me for 2 hrs, then asked me to stay longer, said he had no problem with the additional fee. I was there 3 hrs and he spent(or wasted)another 25 min. of my time trying to convince me that he didnt owe me the amount stated in my ad,
he claimed that no providers do that, they all give discounts, and he said only providers who give big discounts are successful. he claimed they dont charge the amount stated in their ads. I never had to listen to so much BS in my life. I did leave with the correct amount and he has not called again, but I would not go back anyway. i do sometimes give discounts but that is clearly stated in my ads, I cant believe how some guys seem to assume they can get an even deeper discount.

Allow me to invite you and anyone else who has these problems to THE LADIES POWDER ROOM!

You can let other ladies know who the azz clowns, rip offs, and hagglers are in your city so only those desperate for money will see them.

[guest010313]

Originally Posted by babee

I agree with everybody here and I disagree with all of you.

If you want preferential treatment - earn it.

I am still seeing people who first saw me in July 08. Some I see once a month or so, some I see every 2 weeks and some I see once a week. One I see every 6 weeks or so, one flies me to him every 3 months etc. These guys go to the front of the line, get exactly what they want (mostly), have my private number, can text me...name it.

They have all proven to be valuable reliable clients.

Do they get perks? Birthday freebies, extended time, 'grandfathered in" ....you bet they do! They spend on average 8k a year on me (some are 20k some are 5K some are 10k per annum).

Somebody sees me 45-50 times a year, spends 10k a year on me they're kings and they get treated that way. They earned it.

Well said.