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Old 12-05-2010, 04:17 PM   #16
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What if God turns out to be a woman?

Will the good book be less good?
If God uses it to manipulate people into having sex with him, yes, I'd say it was "less good" and "more bad."
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Old 12-05-2010, 05:31 PM   #18
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If God uses it to manipulate people into having sex with him, yes, I'd say it was "less good" and "more bad."
Yes and The men will never understand.

Alexa did alot of harm. She even told me I had to do greek to be an escort.. really? LMFAO! God knows what advice she gave other ladies. I am still shocked by all of it. I was one of her followers but not so much anymore. It is SAD.
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Old 12-05-2010, 05:35 PM   #19
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Alexa did alot of harm. She even told me I had to do greek to be an escort.. really? LMFAO!
How can you do Greek if you already laughed your ass off???

Just sayin'.
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How can you do Greek if you already laughed your ass off???

Just sayin'.
Smart ass.. heh.. lol
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If God uses it to manipulate people into having sex with him, yes, I'd say it was "less good" and "more bad."
What about people using $ to manipulate people into having sex with them? Men seem to do that quite a bit around here! Many women use their looks and the world wide web to attract men to have sex with them.


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Yes and The men will never understand.
Really?
Isn't it all perception? You thought a person was a woman and therefore could understand, yet it was a man. You think I am a man and somehow can't understand. What if I am a woman posing as a man?

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Alexa did alot of harm. She even told me I had to do greek to be an escort.. really? LMFAO! God knows what advice she gave other ladies. I am still shocked by all of it. I was one of her followers but not so much anymore. It is SAD.
What I do not understand is that you seem to think that what was bad advice is bad advice because she turned out to be a he.

My contention is that it was bad advice. Period. Didn't matter who told you Greek was a must do, man or woman, it is bad advice.

There is a thread on lying lying around here somewhere. We all seem to do it but the key to life seems to be being able to figure out who is lying to whom. Sounds like you might have learnt a valuable lesson.


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How can you do Greek if you already laughed your ass off???

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You catch back up to it and have somebody screw it back on for ya
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What about people using $ to manipulate people into having sex with them? Men seem to do that quite a bit around here! Many women use their looks and the world wide web to attract men to have sex with them.
None of these are outright lies designed to circumvent safety measures that a community has established for ourselves.
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None of these are outright lies designed to circumvent safety measures that a community has established for ourselves.
You are correct but they are manipulations. I was addressing his advice. Either it is sound or not. Gender has nothing to do with advice as was proven. The preception appears to though.

I have no idea why he did what he did but if he did it to avoid screening it sounds like it was more trouble than it was worth.
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Why am I not surprised at an above poster's comments? Alexa DID have a lot of FANS. I am not going to sit her and argue about this with someone that does not understand/has not worked in this profession/and was not in contact with Alexa. I guess it takes a sex worker to SEE where I am coming from. Alexa was putting ladies at risk and going as far as sending them clients.. This is what you don't understand. I knew something was up because HE was ALWAYS online .. ALWAYS on twitter. I could send Alexa an email at 4am in the morning and within 5 minutes I got my answer.

Natalie, I am glad that YOU understand.

P.s the mistake the made was the dumbest one ever. You'd think someone so smart would have known
to register a private domain but NO...Proves some men REALLY aren't as smart as they think!
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Alexa was putting ladies at risk and going as far as sending them clients.. This is what you don't understand.
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None of these are outright lies designed to circumvent safety measures that a community has established for ourselves.
???

As far as harm from following bad advice, perhaps that's partly due to: (a) the fallacy of giving more weight to advice because of who gives it (particularly when you don't know anything about them); and/or (b) relying on a single source of advice. The safest approach is always to evaluate the advice for reasonableness rather than taking it on face value, verify the bona fides of the person giving the advice (if giving credibility based on those bona fides), and seek input from multiple sources.

And as far as harm from seeing someone whom Alexa referred, what about normal screening efforts? I had always understood that most escorts are careful about only accepting references from other ladies whom they can verify as legitimate and reputable. Alexa had a blog but nothing other than her own word to confirm that she was a real escort. I'm truly surprised that other ladies would accept a client based on a referral or reference from her. It's sort of like we clients reading a review written by someone we've never heard of before; we understand that it could be a fake (LE, the lady herself, a "manager," etc.) so we don't give it a lot of weight until we see reviews of that lady from someone we know to be a reputable P4P client and preferably reviews from multiple sources.

I understand the temptation to believe and trust, but a healthy dose of skepticism is necessary in a world like this. There are a lot of people in an underground, outlaw community trying to manipulate each other through deception and we have to remain on our guard. If Alexa circumvented safety measures, it was because the safety measures were not as secure as they should be.
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Why am I not surprised at an above poster's comments? Alexa DID have a lot of FANS. I am not going to sit her and argue about this with someone that does not understand/has not worked in this profession/and was not in contact with Alexa. !
You don't know me from Adam(or Eve or Alexa!) , for all you know I could be a sex worker posing as a hobbiest.



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I guess it takes a sex worker to SEE where I am coming from. !
No , only you know where you are coming from. But in general what you are speaking of is deceit, everyone has experienced that in life, so everyone has some idea where you are coming from.

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to register a private domain but NO...Proves some men REALLY aren't as smart as they think!
From what I read Alexa was number one in the sex worker blogsphere. (Whatever that means)

So my guess is that Alexa is paying the price for making so called experts in this field look like idiots in this regard. She pull back the curtain on the Wizards of Oz and they do not care for it.

My advice would ne to reread the obove posters advice:

As far as harm from following bad advice, perhaps that's partly due to: (a) the fallacy of giving more weight to advice because of who gives it (particularly when you don't know anything about them); and/or (b) relying on a single source of advice. The safest approach is always to evaluate the advice for reasonableness rather than taking it on face value, verify the bona fides of the person giving the advice (if giving credibility based on those bona fides), and seek input from multiple sources.
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You have no argument. Case closed!
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And as far as harm from seeing someone whom Alexa referred, what about normal screening efforts? I had always understood that most escorts are careful about only accepting references from other ladies whom they can verify as legitimate and reputable. Alexa had a blog but nothing other than her own word to confirm that she was a real escort. I'm truly surprised that other ladies would accept a client based on a referral or reference from her. It's sort of like we clients reading a review written by someone we've never heard of before; we understand that it could be a fake (LE, the lady herself, a "manager," etc.) so we don't give it a lot of weight until we see reviews of that lady from someone we know to be a reputable P4P client and preferably reviews from multiple sources.

I understand the temptation to believe and trust, but a healthy dose of skepticism is necessary in a world like this. There are a lot of people in an underground, outlaw community trying to manipulate each other through deception and we have to remain on our guard. If Alexa circumvented safety measures, it was because the safety measures were not as secure as they should be.
Obviously. It's a relatively unsafe industry to work in at all, and unfortunately many women have to learn through trial and error—myself included, I certainly made mistakes during my first year of work. Many women don't have anyone they can confide in or get real-life advice from when beginning in this profession. So while it's very unfortunate that this man was able to manipulate ladies who most likely really needed money (and were possibly new to the business), it's not horribly surprising. Thank god enough sex workers did have this healthy dose of skepticism you speak of, so they were able to out this person and assure that he doesn't prey on anyone else.

It disturbs me that any clients would try to defend his actions. If I found out that one of my colleagues, a female escort, was posing as a man to write fake reviews, using fake photos, ripping people off or otherwise behaving dishonestly, I certainly wouldn't defend her. I know that it happens, but I know that it's wrong. And I know that behavior like that discredits honest people who engage in this activity, and makes the community less safe for everyone.
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Many women don't have anyone they can confide in or get real-life advice from when beginning in this profession.
I understand the isolation and the temptation to trust that comes with it, along with the initial assumption that everyone on "our side of the aisle" shares the same interests -- escorts would never do something to harm another escort, and clients would never do something to harm another client. After all, we wouldn't hurt our sisters or brothers.

Unfortunately . . . .

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So while it's very unfortunate that this man was able to manipulate ladies who most likely really needed money (and were possibly new to the business), it's not horribly surprising.
It is really scary, though. Because there are much, much worse people than "Alexa" out there who are equally (or more) manipulative and deceptive. It's helpful to identify specific malefactors, but it's also necessary to identify careless behavior (whether because inexperienced or in financial need) that allows the malefactors to get past our defenses.

Hence, Camille's advice:

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Take all blogs with a pinch of salt, anon and named ones, and my god, never ever use them as a means of screening.
Which should of course be expanded to much more than just blogs.
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This is very disturbing. Like big time. ugh!
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