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StinkyFingers · 06-29-2013, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by oilfieldscum

Only two different groups of providers?

I said two distinctly different groups of Providers ... not only two different groups. Your ability to read a sentence and comprehend it is truly astounding ...

heinz5710 · 06-29-2013, 11:00 AM

What makes this interesting is the fact that the gentlemen can't tell the difference between the ladies who see no other choice and the ladies in OFS's category #1. Do the ladies in massage parlors just come to work and then go home? Do ladies in the strip clubs just come there, give extras and go home happily having fulfilled a fantasy? Are the ladies on P411 just there having some great sex for themselves or are they paying the bills? It is hard to tell. I remember a few times when I asserted that the ladies aren't there to fulfill their own fantasies and they jumped all over me. Don't be so arrogant gents! The ladies have an advantage on us. They own the golf course, they choose who plays and which holes are available and most have mastered the technique of the GFE making the faces you love to see. Now a lady can look for some white stuff to see if she has done a good job. She can count the money to pay for whatever she needs to see how much value a gent places for her company. We on the other hand, aren't paying for true love. Those of us that actually care about the ladies we are with might be dissappointed to learn that we rarely are fantasy fulfillment for the ladies. While it grieves me that I am often judged by the size of my bank book, I have a 95% need for intimacy according to psychological tests. Since that need can be satisfied with what money can buy, it would be pretty foolish for me try to save the world from people making decisions that might be bad for them, immoral to the world but make me feel like a man even though I might be clumsy and older than most. Smile! Take away the drama and love the beauty you receive. What brought you to the notell room doesn't matter compared to how you both feel. If she enjoys both the money and the sex, fine. If not did you believe the pleasure was worth the money? If you did,all is well. For ladies who neither enjoy the money or the sex, the suggested program is a great idea!

StinkyFingers · 06-29-2013, 01:40 PM

Heinz ... The fantasy is in being a high priced, highly desirable call girl ... Not YOU or any one Hobbyist being the fulfillment of their fantasy ... it's more abstract and conceptual.

The media and government have a vested interest in portraying all Ladies in the hobby as innocent, coerced "victims" in its effort to keep the hobby illegal ... this is true in many instances. But, there is a whole other side to the hobby that is willful ... Just like Marijuana being in the same class as Heroin ... it's all about the money or the government's inability to figure out a way to get its piece of the pie.

Guest071514-1 · 06-29-2013, 01:54 PM

I agree there are 2 different kinds as well. I have been asked by some I have known in the past "how do you do this sober"? Because I like the attention, and I like to know what goes on around me! And just because a girl is on Eccie doesn't mean she can't be put in the "other" catagory. I don't know any SW, but I have known some from BP, Eccie, and P411 with real issues. I have seen it pretty bad, I guess thats why I am so proud of my sobriety and my "boring life" lol. Don't get me wrong, I have known some really good women too who have the need of fulfilling the fantasy of paying their bills lol.

Super Head 713 · 06-29-2013, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by StinkyFingers

There are actually two very distinctly different groups of Providers:

(1) Independent businesswomen who choose of the own free will that they want to be Providers. They run their own business, make their own decisions and Provide because that is what THEY want to do for whatever reason they so desire, be it to make money, to make money while at the same time fulfilling a fantasy life, or simply because they want to. Being the "high priced call girl" is one of the most common female fantasies ... some actually do make this fantasy their reality.

(2) Women who are forced, coerced, pimped, enslaved, or to support an addiction. This program is primarily aimed at these women and it's a very good thing. I don't think anyone on here condones this and these women can benefit from a program like this.

TB: If you truly believe what you posted, i'd hate to see some of the poor girls that you frequent and shame on you for doing so.

you nailed it! i was thinking the same way but just didnt know how to put it without saying the wrong thing

surcher · 06-29-2013, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by StinkyFingers

Heinz ... The fantasy is in being a high priced, highly desirable call girl ... Not YOU or any one Hobbyist being the fulfillment of their fantasy ... it's more abstract and conceptual.

The media and government have a vested interest in portraying all Ladies in the hobby as innocent, coerced "victims" in its effort to keep the hobby illegal ... this is true in many instances. But, there is a whole other side to the hobby that is willful ... Just like Marijuana being in the same class as Heroin ... it's all about the money or the government's inability to figure out a way to get its piece of the pie.

Prostitution has gone mainstream. On youtube Julia Styles has a series about being a single mom hooking called "Blue," http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9dsa967Y5E, while Jennifer Love-Hewitt has "The Client List" on Lifetime. She's a massage therapist doing full service. We're teaching our kids it's ok, and profitable to do this.

Guest071514-1 · 06-29-2013, 07:06 PM

Truth is you won't know most providers have very bad habits or pimps. Just because she is on eccie just means she is not a street walker, it doesn't mean she isn't in that room doing herself in slowly then slappingon the makeup just so the next guy can call her high class lol. I would think street walkers would be more worn out, but not necessary do more bad things to her body. I have known some to sit in their rooms and probably doing the same thing a sw would do except without the walking lol. I don't care if she charges $$$ an hour, you probably won't figure it out. Many do so mucn crap they have built a tolerance to it lol. But its the world we live in. It gives us clean providers a bad name really. That's what people who are not in this industry think of us in the first place regardless!

Tequilablue · 06-29-2013, 11:59 PM

Stinky fingers.. dont sart on morality here my friend. Sure there are girls that like what they do, and choose this life for a variety of reasons. Mainly because no other job will pay what they make escorting. You can not group people in two different groups though that is retarded and its just the way you see the world.

I truly believe its is a valid exit for many girls. And just so you know Girls who do this because they like it are a minority I assure you... You need to travel more and get out of that chair. It will broaden your mind maybe...

So please save your pity or whatever you intended in that message.. and get out.

GymRat · 06-30-2013, 12:24 AM

Attack me if you wish, but I think very few women begin providing because they have a number of other career options they can actually support themselves comfortably with when they begin providing. And just like many civilian jobs that we all might not be satisfied with, they stick with this career because it does provide many with a comfortable, if not lucrative living. Later in life, a civilian may want to opt out of his particular career and during the course of their career, they may have learned other skills that easily open doors in other areas. Let's say a girl has very few options at 20 years old, and begins providing. At thirty years old things may slow down for her and she wants out of the business. Unless she attended school for the past ten years, what new career options does she have? There are exceptions to everything, but it can be very hard for a woman to leave this industry.

GinaXXX · 06-30-2013, 09:27 AM

The line between #1 and #2 is far more blurred than many realize.

I believe that woman deserve and need support, advice, and unconditional love during the time they are in this industry. They deserve to be safe and treated with respect, regardless of how far to the left or right of the line they stand.

I started out as a teenage street prostitute with a pimp and migrated into a Independent internet provider without a pimp. I was the same person at both stages in my life, and still today doing what I do with P411 (while being a regular every day married soccer mom outside of my work).

Women are capable of deciding who they have sex with, for what reason, and when. Only the most patriarchal of society takes this choice out of a woman's hands and tried to make that decision for her. However, that doesn't mean that each decision we make is always going to be "the right" decision, or that we can't use a hand when the time comes to do something else.

That some clients (a la WakeUp) treat you as though they are nothing more then a hole, worthless once time creeps on, is very difficult to deal with day in and day out. Regardless of what is going on your your personal life, it is the clients like this who make this job a difficult one that no woman will enjoy for more than a year or two.... then it becomes a drudgery.

I think that having (non-religion based) options to get assistance exiting this industry is a positive thing. I would love to put together something that would support women through the entire journey....

Always,
Gina

Wakeup · 06-30-2013, 09:29 AM

C'mon Gina...you don't know me, and that's a whopper of a generalization...

What prompted that?

carkido45 · 06-30-2013, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Wakeuр

C'mon Gina...you don't know me, and that's a whopper of a generalization...

What prompted that?

Hahaha you have to ask

GinaXXX · 06-30-2013, 09:44 AM

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C'mon Gina...you don't know me, and that's a whopper of a generalization...

What prompted that?

Dang, you're memory is really short.... or you are just clueless about how ignorant your post, in THIS thread, makes you sound (prompting my comment).

She's a human being..... not a hole. Comments like this show me, and probably anyone else with half a brain, that you couldn't care less. That once she is no longer young and hot, she's fodder for insults and demeaning jokes, but only from that certain class of person.

You comment actually made my cry a little bit..... but I'm an old softy. I'll get over it.

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Originally Posted by Wakeuр

Wait...guys were paying to fuck her once upon a time??? This city is hopeless...

ArisRose · 06-30-2013, 09:53 AM

Ho-hab = government grant $$$ = pimpin the system

Its all about the hustle baby.

StinkyFingers · 06-30-2013, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Tequilablue

Most girls turn into prostitution because they have no other choice, they have addictions or they are coerced. I am sure thats a good alternative for some girls.

Brilliant ... Lump all women in the biz into ONE category ... Addicts or Pimped out. I have not met not one woman in the biz who did not enter the biz on their own volition, nor anyone with a pimp. And, no one with any detectable addiction, save one. And, if I did, I would not go through with the session. As to why they entered the biz, only they know. Just like society in general, there are different socioeconomic strata in the hobby.

Agree, this is a good program for those who need and can benefit from it.