The Slow March To Fascism

[NorthWood]

The Chicago mob has taken over - true fascists

[Out_of_Bounds]

Here here OP.
The voice of sanity.
We're already there folks because the "perception" of life is good.
We're fat, we're decadent and we don't give a fuck what happens to us as long as we got iphones, internet and "on demand" spoon feeding us that everything is all right.

[Out_of_Bounds]

Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

Actually, I don't have a TV. I get my news from the WSJ on line and I have the New York Times delivered. So, no I don't watch Fox, CNN, MSNBC or any other do-loop, constant stream of other peoples' opinions TV or radio news. I loath them and have a very low opinion of any of those broadcasts or people that listen to them.

Fascism, as defined by it's "inventor" Bennito Muscelini, is the yoke up of the State and industry. Industry and the oligarchs "own" the State by buying politicos and thereby run de facto the State, the legislative, taxation and expenditure systems. In the end, the State ultimately gains the upper hand, historically through a dictator or, as in our case, haplessly through no one specific effort of any one person and crushes the masses.

We are an oligarchy that is slipping into fascism. All our politicos are owned by special interests and PACS and have been allowed to feather their own nests quite well right under our noses. We have no real reporting anymore (on either side) or an unbiased judiciary to check the State or the oligarchs. And now we have in effect a Nacht und Nebel Decree. Bush started it with the unchecked Patriotic Act and Obama put the nail in that coffin with the NDAA 2012 adn 2013. How'd I do babe?

www.drudgereport.com is also a good place for news.

[theaustinescorts]

Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

Actually, I don't have a TV. I get my news from the WSJ on line and I have the New York Times delivered. So, no I don't watch Fox, CNN, MSNBC or any other do-loop, constant stream of other peoples' opinions TV or radio news. I loath them and have a very low opinion of any of those broadcasts or people that listen to them.

Fascism, as defined by it's "inventor" Bennito Muscelini, is the yoke up of the State and industry. Industry and the oligarchs "own" the State by buying politicos and thereby run de facto the State, the legislative, taxation and expenditure systems. In the end, the State ultimately gains the upper hand, historically through a dictator or, as in our case, haplessly through no one specific effort of any one person and crushes the masses.

We are an oligarchy that is slipping into fascism. All our politicos are owned by special interests and PACS and have been allowed to feather their own nests quite well right under our noses. We have no real reporting anymore (on either side) or an unbiased judiciary to check the State or the oligarchs. And now we have in effect a Nacht und Nebel Decree. Bush started it with the unchecked Patriotic Act and Obama put the nail in that coffin with the NDAA 2012 adn 2013. How'd I do babe?

Moussolini was nothing more than a figure head who was run by a Facist Counsel who removed him in 1943. The Facist Counsel was a creature of industrialists and property owners who were seeking to ward off communism after the Russian revolution and Red scare. Facism worked very well in Italy until Moussolini began his military misadventures.

National Socialism in Germany was somewhat the same pattern as Hitler was supported by industrialists and bankers seeking to ward off communism, which was a huge threat in Germany after the Great War. The Nazis served their purpose in doing that in the 1920s, but then rose to absolute power when the masses turned to them for employment after the depression began in 1930. The Nazis ended all unemployment by 1935.

The US is not however moving now towards a facist state by any means.

The US is heading toward a police state ruled by a majority of people who vote in draconian laws so everyone will have to live like well-behaved drones or be treated like criminals.

The US is still a republic, but the guarantees afforded to dissidents and people of minority views are being swept away because the wage-slavery, corporate nature of our economy means that all people now prefer to be ruled over by a boss who tells them the right way to live AND THINK according to whatever experts think is best for the majority.

We are now living in a hive of wage-slaves who look to their employers, their bosses,their public schools, their family doctors and counselors, to tell them what they must do to live their lives and avoid the dangers of criminals, haters, and terrorists who threaten to destroy their happiness.

In America today there is no such thing is a pursuit of happiness.

There is the maintenance of happiness through conformity and compliance, and everyone who fails to comply is branded a criminal and thrown in jail.

This is tyranny.

But it's a different form of tyranny than facism.

Facism was better.

[Guest050715-1]

Originally Posted by theaustinescorts

Moussolini was nothing more than a figure head who was run by a Facist Counsel who removed him in 1943. The Facist Counsel was a creature of industrialists and property owners who were seeking to ward off communism after the Russian revolution and Red scare. Facism worked very well in Italy until Moussolini began his military misadventures.

Yes, that's what I said. Oligarchs running the politicos.

Originally Posted by theaustinescorts

National Socialism in Germany was somewhat the same pattern as Hitler was supported by industrialists and bankers seeking to ward off communism, which was a huge threat in Germany after the Great War. The Nazis served their purpose in doing that in the 1920s, but then rose to absolute power when the masses turned to them for employment after the depression began in 1930. The Nazis ended all unemployment by 1935.

He didn't re-industrialize the country by building war machines after their sins were inflated away. It wasn't a normal economy.

Originally Posted by theaustinescorts

The US is not however moving now towards a facist state by any means.

The US is heading toward a police state ruled by a majority of people who vote in draconian laws so everyone will have to live like well-behaved drones or be treated like criminals.

The US is still a republic, but the guarantees afforded to dissidents and people of minority views are being swept away because the wage-slavery, corporate nature of our economy means that all people now prefer to be ruled over by a boss who tells them the right way to live AND THINK according to whatever experts think is best for the majority.

Germany was a republic. Hitler was elected to office. And if you think that just because we are a republic we are not an oligarchy, then you haven't been paying attention to post-industrial revolution history and more recently the Supreme Courts Citizens United decision. The oligarchs obviously don't know their history either. Slowly at first and now rapidly those same politicos and pets are running amuch and becoming former pets. At first it was Babu's through their various agencies now it's full blown stripping of legitimate rights instead of just charging citizens for the right to participate.

Originally Posted by theaustinescorts

We are now living in a hive of wage-slaves who look to their employers, their bosses,their public schools, their family doctors and counselors, to tell them what they must do to live their lives and avoid the dangers of criminals, haters, and terrorists who threaten to destroy their happiness.

Not eveyone can work for themselves. Where would you be without your "girlz".

Originally Posted by theaustinescorts

In America today there is no such thing is a pursuit of happiness.

You seem to be doing alright hangin' in the strip clubs and all. But I will give you that pursuit of happiness has been replaced with pursuit of things. We are a consumer society more than a cohesive society that has common interests beyond shopping. I don't think people would be nearly so divided if they actually interfaced with each other like we used to (Joining clubs, having dinner parties and in general communing in ways other than organized kids activities or Facebook.)

Originally Posted by theaustinescorts

There is the maintenance of happiness through conformity and compliance, and everyone who fails to comply is branded a criminal and thrown in jail.

Not yet, but that is were we are headed with the NDAA legislations. Because let's face it, we in this little community, are outside the bandwidth of "normal" society.

Originally Posted by theaustinescorts

This is tyranny.

Headed that way.

Originally Posted by theaustinescorts

But it's a different form of tyranny than facism.

Facism was better.

No tyranny is tyranny, but you are a Holocaust denier and don't like Hollywood "endorsing" interracial, hot sex. What can I say.

[Guest050715-1]

Originally Posted by Out_of_Bounds

www.drudgereport.com is also a good place for news.

I'll check it out. I'm forever in search of Walter Cronkite, just the news kind of news.

[theaustinescorts]

Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

Yes, that's what I said. Oligarchs running the politicos.



He didn't re-industrialize the country by building war machines after their sins were inflated away. It wasn't a normal economy.



Germany was a republic. Hitler was elected to office. And if you think that just because we are a republic we are not an oligarchy, then you haven't been paying attention to post-industrial revolution history and more recently the Supreme Courts Citizens United decision. The oligarchs obviously don't know their history either. Slowly at first and now rapidly those same politicos and pets are running amuch and becoming former pets. At first it was Babu's through their various agencies now it's full blown stripping of legitimate rights instead of just charging citizens for the right to participate.



Not eveyone can work for themselves. Where would you be without your "girlz".



You seem to be doing alright hangin' in the strip clubs and all. But I will give you that pursuit of happiness has been replaced with pursuit of things. We are a consumer society more than a cohesive society that has common interests beyond shopping. I don't think people would be nearly so divided if they actually interfaced with each other like we used to (Joining clubs, having dinner parties and in general communing in ways other than organized kids activities or Facebook.)



Not yet, but that is were we are headed with the NDAA legislations. Because let's face it, we in this little community, are outside the bandwidth of "normal" society.



Headed that way.



No tyranny is tyranny, but you are a Holocaust denier and don't like Hollywood "endorsing" interracial, hot sex. What can I say.

I think my point is that the US is becoming a tyranny, and a tyranny which is not only NOT FACIST, but is WORSE THAN FACISM.

Facism in Italy and National Socialism in Germany [which was NOT facism] were the result of extreme threats to the nation from communism. The totalitarianisms of Germany and Italy not only prevented communist takeovers but also SAVED THOSE SOCIETIES FROM THE DEPRADATIONS OF THE GREAT DEPRESSION, which went on unchecked in all the democracies of that time.

It's because Germany and Italy were the only capitalist countries not in depression that so many western leaders, including such people as WWI Prime Minister Lloyd George, declared Hitler to be a uniquely visionary leader.

What's happening in the US in the present is just totally stupid !! And much worse than facism.

Americans have nothing threatening them except for imaginary demons and ficticious monsters which they like to dwell on because otherwise their puny lives are too boring and they like the excitment of believing in non-existent evils.

Young people today sit around and play fantasy video and computer games where they can play out their violent hero dreams, and they pretty much transfer these beliefs into the real world when they join the military or the police.

Americans are growing to love being made into slaves because most Americans live totally castrated lives as wage slaves anyway ---- doing whatever their boss at work orders them to do, or going to school someplace where uniformed school police with tazers are around every corner waiting for the EVILDOERS to make their appearance known.

Hurrah for our brave warriors! Hurray for our first responders! Hurray for all those heros who save us from al-Qaeda, domestic terrorists, and bad people with guns who want to shoot up our children in the schoolyards!

We need cameras on every corner!

And if you don't have anything to hide why would you mind?


ps.....

What the hell do my views on the holocaust have to do with this topic?

stop the name calling, and go back to kindergarten.

[i'va biggen]

Originally Posted by Out_of_Bounds

www.drudgereport.com is also a good place for news.

If you want the conservative view or you can watch Rush to Judgment Limbaugh..

[theaustinescorts]

Originally Posted by ekim008

If you want the conservative view or you can watch Rush to Judgment Limbaugh..

"Rusty" Limbaugh is a fat ass bald toad with a hearing aid who is mad at the world because he was shunned by girls growing up and could never get a date until he made is third million.

He's just another angry ugly Dude who has needed rehab for a long time now.

I hope he finds the rehab he needs.

[CuteOldGuy]

Well, Rush has turned his personality disorder into a tidy little income.

However, I fail to understand how tyranny and fascism cannot coexist. That's where we're headed.

[theaustinescorts]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

Well, Rush has turned his personality disorder into a tidy little income.

However, I fail to understand how tyranny and fascism cannot coexist. That's where we're headed.

Facism and National Socialism were both tyrannies. I like to point out that they had their necessities in that they prevented communist takeovers AND they provided economic prosperity which democracies couldn't deliver.

But the huge disadvantage was that everyone lost their rights to self expression, and a lot of other horrible things occured.

What bothers me terribly is that the US public doesn't have the excuses the Germans or Italians had to surrender their rights.

The US public is giving in to statism and tyranny through indifference and cowardice.

What we need in our media are more heroic images of people who struggle for their rights to pursue happiness against the supidity of the government instead of heros saving the public from exaggerated foreign threats or people who have different political beliefs like veterans, home schoolers, gun owners, and people who like George Washington and Jefferson.

[CuteOldGuy]

TAE, I won't argue with you on that. That is certainly what we need right now.

[i'va biggen]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

Well, Rush has turned his personality disorder into a tidy little income.

However, I fail to understand how tyranny and fascism cannot coexist. That's where we're headed.

You are right about Rush because there are so many of his ilk watching him and bobbing their heads in agreement.(zombies)

[Guest050715-1]

Originally Posted by theaustinescorts

Facism and National Socialism were both tyrannies. I like to point out that they had their necessities in that they prevented communist takeovers AND they provided economic prosperity which democracies couldn't deliver.

We were also on the brink of communism. FDR's response was not that of fascism or tyrany.

The rest of what you've written I agree with for the most part though I question your motives for saying it. You seem to twist back on yourself on several issues and have a distorted view of history perhaps because of your distorted facts.

Originally Posted by theaustinescorts

But the huge disadvantage was that everyone lost their rights to self expression, and a lot of other horrible things occured.

What bothers me terribly is that the US public doesn't have the excuses the Germans or Italians had to surrender their rights.

The US public is giving in to statism and tyranny through indifference and cowardice.

What we need in our media are more heroic images of people who struggle for their rights to pursue happiness against the supidity of the government instead of heros saving the public from exaggerated foreign threats or people who have different political beliefs like veterans, home schoolers, gun owners, and people who like George Washington and Jefferson.

[theaustinescorts]

Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

We were also on the brink of communism. FDR's response was not that of fascism or tyrany.

The rest of what you've written I agree with for the most part though I question your motives for saying it. You seem to twist back on yourself on several issues and have a distorted view of history perhaps because of your distorted facts.

The US was no where near the communist revolutions which were going on in Germany and Italy. The closest thing to a revolution that happend in the US was the attempt by a group of Wall Street bankers in the first weeks of the FDR Administration to recruit General Smedley Butler to organize a group of 500,000 war veterans into a force to march on Washington and take over the city by force. That was an extremely stupid plan, but it was based on their research into how Mussolini succeeded. Butler just blew the whistle and it was over.

After 1918 the communists in Germany were well on their way to staging a successful revolution. What prevented it was counter-terror by civilian militias composed of war veterans like Hitler and his type. By the late 1920s the threat was over and the Nazis [which had been supported by industrialists and land owners] were pretty much done. However when the unemployment shock of the depression came in 1931 the public embraced the Nazis, and in response the Nazis performed in eliminating the depression in less than two years.

The Nazis were a revolutionary movement. They didn't claim to be always just or fair, and they conceeded that many innocent people would be falsely accused and punished, even killed, in order to bring about their revolution. However they were composed of people so traumatized by the experience of the Great War and what followed that they considered their revolution to be necessary.

In terms of the war I think history has now proven that the Nazis were acting defensively both in their invasion of Poland as well as Russia. The Polish invasion was necessary to eliminate it as a buffer protecting Russia from attack, and Russia was in the final stages of preparations to attack Germany and the rest of eastern Europe when the Germans preempted them in June 1941.

When these facts came to light among the US Army and OSS officers in Germany after it's capitulation it resulted in the US government covertly forming an alliance with the Nazis. The evidence of that necessary and effective alliance is now well established in the US assistance to Nazis in not only escaping criminal convictions, but in their ascendancy to power in the subsequent German intelligence community and in civil society.

As for the Neuremberg trials, those of course were nothing but show trials, and most of the confessions as to war crimes were false confessions. The necessity of the Neuremberg trials was to change the subject away from the torrent of criticism arising after the war against the British and US for having bombed civilian targets on such a wide scale. If it were not for the false case made at Nuremberg that the Nazis had committed unspeakable crimes [and of course the Soviets and the US were not on trial there] the US would not have been able to have taken the leadership in the United Nations after the war. The UN Charter would never have been agreed to otherwise.