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Old 08-26-2011, 02:35 PM   #16
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I just watched Joy Reid make an excellent point on Al Sharpton’s show

And suddenly, it all becomes so clear! Al Sharpton's show is DEFINITELY the place I would go for unbiased information and opinions!
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Old 08-26-2011, 05:17 PM   #17
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And suddenly, it all becomes so clear! Al Sharpton's show is DEFINITELY the place I would go for unbiased information and opinions!
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The following You Tube was performed by the Sanger Independent School District (Denton County, north of Dallas) Ass't Sup't. sung by Sup't, IT Director & Deputy Sup't. about the Tx Educational budget cuts.


Enjoy!!!!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1Umf6p2dD8
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Old 08-26-2011, 06:02 PM   #18
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BTW -- If I'm not mistaken, the States Rights movement was all about segregation and rejection of federally mandated equality laws.

Back then it was about African Americans. Today, that list has expanded.

But it's still about rejecting the "American" idea of social justice and equality, imho.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/States'_rights
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Old 08-29-2011, 11:17 AM   #19
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I'm kind of split on Perry (and much of the Republican party). He's pro gun rights and pretty much any other individual rights. Okay, mostly 95% against him. Obama's pro choice and pretty much against other individual rights. Can't support a guy who has almost $100 million dollars in his "war chest" and is trying to raise more money.

Clayton Williams and Rick Perry. Two reasons to not wear my ring.
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Old 08-29-2011, 11:47 AM   #20
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I'm kind of split on Perry (and much of the Republican party). He's pro gun rights and pretty much any other individual rights. Okay, mostly 95% against him. Obama's pro choice and pretty much against other individual rights. Can't support a guy who has almost $100 million dollars in his "war chest" and is trying to raise more money.

Clayton Williams and Rick Perry. Two reasons to not wear my ring.

Agreed that today's candidates in the Republican party are a woeful lot. However given the choice between someone that's anti-individual rights vs pro-individual rights, I gotta go with the pro-individual rights candidate. Doesn't mean I agree with Perry on many things. The fact is, I don't.
It's become a sad fact that we pick the least worst candidate for President these days, rather than the best. Until we make a change that brings forth better candidates, that's how it's going to be.
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Old 08-29-2011, 02:44 PM   #21
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http://www.politicalmathblog.com/?p=1590

I found this interesting information about our great state of Texas. I know everyone is saying the jobs that have come to Texas during Rick Perry time as governor are low income jobs. This information tells a different story. The average hourly wage has actually increased.
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Old 08-29-2011, 03:27 PM   #22
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The following You Tube was performed by the Sanger Independent School District (Denton County, north of Dallas) Ass't Sup't. sung by Sup't, IT Director & Deputy Sup't. about the Tx Educational budget cuts.


Enjoy!!!!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1Umf6p2dD8
Watched the skit and certainly understand that school districts are upset over having their funding cut.
I also know, having traveled to many places overseas and having been educated both abroad and here in the United States, that the United States spends more money per student than many other nations
(Current expenditures per pupil in fall enrollment in public elementary and secondary schools: Selected years 2007-08 $10,441 per student
http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=66

yet:

1.Among adults age 25 to 34, the U.S. is ninth among industrialized nations in the share of its population that has at least a high school degree. In the same age group, the United States ranks seventh, with Belgium, in the share of people who hold a college degree.
2. Fifteen-year-olds in the U.S. ranked 25th among peers from 34 countries on a math test and scored in the middle in science and reading, while China’s Shanghai topped the charts, raising concern that the U.S. isn’t prepared to succeed in the global economy
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-1...e-reading.html

Maybe it's time that people looked at where the real problems in our education system are instead of just running around screaming "It's Bush's fault, it's Perry's fault" etc.

A good start would be the documentary "Waiting on Superman". Ever watch it?

Now, I'm sure 'ol F-Sharp will dig up some numbers somewhere, even though I provided links, that will dispute the problem.
Anyone who is serious though about our education issues need only travel to China, the Philippines or many other Asian countries and look at their classrooms, look at the money spent per student and then look at how those students turn out. I'd put one of their students against one of ours any day of the week and bet money that they come out with an overall BETTER education than our kids do DESPITE those governments spending less.
That's because:
1. Discipline is still enforced. You think China or some of these other countries are running around spending MILLIONS on ADHD drugs?
You think they make excuses for their child not sitting still in class?
You think the teacher is not THE ultimate authority figure in that classroom?

2
. Effective teaching

The National Education Association (NEA) is the largest professional organization and largest labor union in the United States

"Federal law prohibits unions from using dues money or other assets to contribute to or otherwise assist federal candidates or political parties, in accordance with their tax-exempt status. The NEA Fund for Children and Public Education is a special fund for voluntary contributions from NEA members which can legally be used to assist candidates and political parties. Critics have repeatedly questioned the NEA's actual compliance with such laws, and a number of legal actions focusing on the union's use of money and union personnel in partisan contexts have ensued.[30]"


"The Obama Administration has also said that it wishes to make greater federal funding for education a priority during the years ahead, and has shown no willingness to support school choice in the form of vouchers. This is hardly unrelated to campaign donations of the National Education Association and the American Federation of Teachers which since 1990 have contributed more than $50 million to support Democratic candidates running for office. Both unions have been strong supporters of increased federal aid to public schools and have strongly opposed school voucher programs."



Think the NEA DOESN'T have a vested interest in making guys like you believe that MONEY is the problem?? They are one of the largest unions that supports almost exclusively the Democratic Party.

It's not money, many times it's the incompetent teachers that the NEA tries so hard to protect and cover for.
Again, PLEASE watch the Documentary, after all, I watched your skit, and then come back and let's discuss education here.

3. Home-

Do you want to discuss how many parents actually still READ to their kids before they start school and during their first few critical school years?
Care to know how many parents have their kids read to THEM after 3rd grade?
How many parents actually sit down with their kids and make sure their homework gets done or check their homework?

I've been an involved parent of my child's education since he began in Kindergarten. He's 16 now. I've seen the system first hand. It's broken. Plain and simple. They're pushing kids through who don't comprehend the subject matter, they round up grades when the kids are actually failing, discipline in the classrooms has become an utter joke preventing many kids from absorbing the lessons, etc etc etc.
I had to go in person and meet with the Principal of both my son's middle and high school and STRESS to them that I don't want my kid's grades rounded up. He gets what he earns, plain and simple. He makes a 67, well, better luck when you take the class the second time around. They (the school administrations) wanted to ARGUE with me over this!

So, I'm glad you got to see a funny skit about Perry and the school district but the reality is.....it's not the money or lack thereof that's causing us to plummet in the world education rankings. It's our school systems, sometimes it's the teachers (yes I know many people think they are Saints but there's good and bad in that profession as in any other), sometimes it's the curriculum, sometimes it's what's going on (or NOT going on) in the home and sometimes it's a lack of getting back to the basics of education.
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Old 08-29-2011, 05:49 PM   #23
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Who is Rick Perry?

Why, he's your next President, of course....

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ..._tracking_poll

2012 can't get here soon enough for me!

Here's to all you 22 percenters out there...
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Watched the skit and certainly understand that school districts are upset over having their funding cut.
I also know, having traveled to many places overseas and having been educated both abroad and here in the United States, that the United States spends more money per student than many other nations
Where does Texas rank? By every measure, our state was already in the lower 10-20% in per student educational funding in the nation. Perry recently signed legislation implementing additional educational cuts in the 2011 legislative session. The level of cuts was somewhere in the neighborhood of $4 billion for the 2 year funding period! Apparently we are content to compete with Mississippi!

And the hits just keep on coming!

http://www.politifact.com/texas/stat...s-44th-educat/
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Old 08-29-2011, 06:16 PM   #25
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Did you even BOTHER to read my post? Nothing in this report, much of which came from the NEA, you know, the Union I tried to clue you in about in my post, addresses the fact that as a whole, we spend more per student in this country than many other industrialized nations and yet rank below them in testing.

"According to a 2005 report from the OECD, the United States is tied for first place with Switzerland when it comes to annual spending per student on its public schools, with each of those two countries spending more than $11,000 (in U.S. currency).[94]"

"According to a 2007 article in The Washington Post, the Washington D.C. public school district spends $12,979 per student per year. This is the third highest level of funding per student out of the 100 biggest school districts in the U.S. Despite this high level of funding, the school district has produced outcomes that are lower than the national average. In reading and math, the district's students score the lowest among 11 major school districts" –

"During the 2006–2007 school year, a private school in Chicago founded by Marva Collins to teach low income minority students charged $5,500 for tuition, and parents said that the school did a much better job than the Chicago public school system. Meanwhile, during the 2007–2008 year, Chicago public school officials claimed that their budget of $11,300 per student was not enough.[104]"

"Between 1960 and 1995, U.S. public school spending per student, adjusted for inflation, increased by 212%"

Yet, low and behold Big Tex, despite all this spending the U.S. continues to slip in worldwide education rankings.
Yep, without a doubt you must be right that it's simply a matter of throwing more money at the problem.

Your article addresses none of the points that are having the most impact on our education system. Keep drinking that NEA Cool Aid Big Tex!
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Keep drinking that NEA Cool Aid Big Tex!
The "NEA Cool Aid" is particularly refreshing during these hot summer days.

Back on topic, if I am not mistaken, Perry claimed that the 2009 budget was "a bare-boned budget," meaning that all of the fat had already been cut and what remained was the bare essentials. History has already shown us that Perry balanced the last legislative budget with Federal Stimulus Funds. Hmmmmmm?

Flash forward two years: in 2011, Perry signed legislation that cut an additional $10-12 billion from the 2009 "bare-boned budget," including $4 billion in additional educational cuts. Now if my sources are correct, there is projected to be between $11-12 billion in the Rainy Day Fund by the end of this current biennium. One would think that if nothing else, $4 billion in educational cuts from an already "bare-boned budget" would satisfy the basic criteria needed to use the Rainy Day Fund to educate our students. After all, the fund is made up of taxpayer funds. Where could they find a better use of those funds than providing a proper education for the adults of tomorrow? Oh well, apparently educating tomorrow's leaders is not a high priority in Texas!

Pass the Kool-Aid, the extreme drought conditions here in Texas is making me pretty damn thirsty!
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The problems within our educational system is not money. The public school system has failed. It is time to tie the money to the child and let them choose which school will be best for them. It would be easy to create a testing system that could be used so that any school receiving tax dollars from a student proves they are doing a good job.

How many people could find a way to educate 30 kids for $300,000 a year.
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The "NEA Cool Aid" is particularly refreshing during these hot summer days.

Back on topic, if I am not mistaken, Perry claimed that the 2009 budget was "a bare-boned budget," meaning that all of the fat had already been cut and what remained was the bare essentials. History has already shown us that Perry balanced the last legislative budget with Federal Stimulus Funds. Hmmmmmm?

Flash forward two years: in 2011, Perry signed legislation that cut an additional $10-12 billion from the 2009 "bare-boned budget," including $4 billion in additional educational cuts. Now if my sources are correct, there is projected to be between $11-12 billion in the Rainy Day Fund by the end of this current biennium. One would think that if nothing else, $4 billion in educational cuts from an already "bare-boned budget" would satisfy the basic criteria needed to use the Rainy Day Fund to educate our students. After all, the fund is made up of taxpayer funds. Where could they find a better use of those funds than providing a proper education for the adults of tomorrow? Oh well, apparently educating tomorrow's leaders is not a high priority in Texas!

Pass the Kool-Aid, the extreme drought conditions here in Texas is making me pretty damn thirsty!
You DO realize that nothing you've written above disputes the point that we're making? Namely, please show me where there is a direct correlation between paying more money per student and that student being better educated. The only thing you've managed to state so far is that Texas is cutting their education budget. Ok, we get it. It's been all over the news. Now please prove how that leads to a lesser education. Please provide some facts as to how public schools that receive more funding perform better than some that don't. I've provided you proof with the opposite. In some cases private schools that are charging less tuition than what the public schools are receiving in funds are outperforming those public schools. Charter schools are consistently outperforming public schools. So make a logical argument how more money=better education when it comes to the Public School system.
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I found this interesting information about our great state of Texas. I know everyone is saying the jobs that have come to Texas during Rick Perry time as governor are low income jobs. This information tells a different story. The average hourly wage has actually increased.
I can see where a 6% increase in the average wage would be possible with a 23.9% increase in the minimum wage.
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