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Old 04-24-2013, 12:09 PM   #16
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we were in Iraq to save the people from an evil dictator, whats not to love?


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Old 04-24-2013, 12:23 PM   #17
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Islam is the only major religion that advocates decieving and killing unbelievers or even considers them enemies.
The Bible would like to have a word with you...

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Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

1)If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)


I would edit the OP and title to say "Other countries" as opposed to Muslims. There are plenty of Muslims who live in the US and serve our country and love our country as much as any other citizen. There are also plenty of non-Islamic countries that dislike us for what we've done.
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Old 04-24-2013, 01:23 PM   #18
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The Bible would like to have a word with you...
I am curious as to which Bible and which translation you reference. In my limited understanding there are many translations which take differing levels on many concepts, paticularly as to literal level of action.

It is also my understanding that there are many muslims who are truly peace loving and do not wish harm on anyone. Just as there are misguided christians amongst us who look for unfortunate actions.

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Old 04-24-2013, 05:20 PM   #19
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I wasn't aware that the Muslims "hate" the United States.
I didn't say all Muslims were like StupidOldlyingFart and "hate the United States."

However, I did say there were some Muslims who were like StupidOldLyingFart and "who Hate America."

Key word "who."
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Old 04-24-2013, 11:23 PM   #20
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whiny HATES America, but jacks off on the ficking constitution!
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Old 04-25-2013, 02:36 AM   #21
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Two reasons mainly.

Because we support Israel, and because we are suppose to be a
Christian Nation (If they only knew)

Motto: Kill the Saturday people first (Jews) and then the Sunday people
next (Christians) and then all other Infidels (Hindus, Buddhist, Wiccans, Etc,)

The Jew will be hiding behind a rock and the rock will cry out, there is a
Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him.

After all the Infidels are killed off, then there will be peace, so yeah
it is a peaceful religion.
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Old 04-25-2013, 06:36 AM   #22
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The Muslims don't hate us, some Muslims hate us. I suspect some of us don't like them all that much either.

As to why some Muslims hate us, there would be a long list of specifics that would never be quite complete for after completing a list someone could always add," oh yeah, this one too."

But to sum it up succinctly we are hated because we are not under their control.
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Old 04-25-2013, 07:06 AM   #23
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I am curious as to which Bible and which translation you reference. In my limited understanding there are many translations which take differing levels on many concepts, paticularly as to literal level of action.

It is also my understanding that there are many muslims who are truly peace loving and do not wish harm on anyone. Just as there are misguided christians amongst us who look for unfortunate actions.

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Yeah the point is that in pretty much any religion, you can probably find something about attacking nonbelievers if you dig back far enough, especially if you take everything literally.

As you said, there are many Muslims who just want to live their lives in peace and don't wish harm upon others.
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Old 04-25-2013, 08:37 AM   #24
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Power hungry people use religion as a means to that end.

It is done with all religions. If it wasn't religion, it would be some others means. That is why a concentration of power and wealth should not be allowed to pass from generation to generation.

May I say estate tax!
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Muslims hate us as the Native Americans learned to hate us.
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Muslims hate us as the Native Americans learned to hate us.
Then we introduced them to firewater and they loved us so much they let us have quite a bit of arable land and water.
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Then we introduced them to firewater and they loved us so much they let us have quite a bit of arable land and water.


Yea they sure ''let us have it''!

We murdered them like dogs and gave the few we didn't , whiskey.

Look, they had something (Land) we wanted and we took it. Just like the Middle East has something (Oil) we want.

This ain't rocket science.

People don't like you when you take what they think is theirs.
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Old 04-30-2013, 09:03 AM   #29
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Yea they sure ''let us have it''!

We murdered them like dogs and gave the few we didn't , whiskey.

Look, they had something (Land) we wanted and we took it. Just like the Middle East has something (Oil) we want.

This ain't rocket science.

People don't like you when you take what they think is theirs.
“Has it not been held from the beginning of the world down to this day, from the time the Israelites took possession of the land of Canaan, which they got from alien enemies—and is it not the well-settled law of war to-day that the whole property of alien enemies belonged to the conqueror, and that it is at his mercy and his clemency what should be done with it?” by Major General (USA) Benjamin “Spoons” Butler, 1863.
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Yea they sure ''let us have it''!

We murdered them like dogs and gave the few we didn't , whiskey.

Look, they had something (Land) we wanted and we took it. Just like the Middle East has something (Oil) we want.

This ain't rocket science.

People don't like you when you take what they think is theirs.
Don't forget about Smallpox, the gift that keeps on giving!

To be fair, what we did isn't different from stuff that goes on all over the world even today.
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