NY Times " Obama Not Up To The Task"

[TexasT]

Wow, you're right Whirlaway! Obama should just go ahead and resign today!!

Gotta smile when I think about what guys like Whirlaway will say the day after the elections next year. "This country is finished....what were they thinking.....damn voters are gonna get what they deserve..."

I know, I know---such a strong field of GOP contenders. And guys like Whirl will say whoever is chosen to run against Obama will win. I wouldn't bet two hours with a HDH on that one, my friend. Bible-thumpers have a limited cult following, "Tea Party Favorite" is starting to get a real stench to it, and Romney's Health Care Plan is awfully familiar.

Voters want someone who will initiate something (anything) new, not take away things such as Health Care Reform. Something that creates jobs. Renewing Bush Tax Cuts, opposing new revenue, chopping away at entitlements...not only unappetizing ideas, but they don't create jobs.

Cheer up, Whirl....you got 15 months to create a post explaining what went wrong in the elections.

[MrGiz]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

As the NYTs writer pointed out, Obama is simply not up to the task of being President.

What record of achievement ever led anyone! to believe he was? * Hope?

[Doove]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

This Sunday's Review section, the liberal NYTs finally nailed it with what is wrong with Obama...and each day more and more Americans (notably Indepedents) are figuring it out ! The 2nd sentence is the key........

Actually, no, the first sentence is the key.

"A second possibility is that he is simply not up to the task by virtue of his lack of experience and a character defect that might not have been so debilitating at some other time in history.

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

As the NYTs writer pointed out, Obama is simply not up to the task of being President.

Too bad for you that's not what he said. As WTF sorta pointed out, the gist of the article is that candidate Obama is not the same guy as President Obama. The author, a psychology professor, offered up 3 or 4 hypotheses as to why that is. One hypothesis, and only one hypothesis, was that Obama wasn't up to the job. Another hypothesis, in fact, is that we are, in part, being held hostage by an extremist Republican Party.

It's gotta be sad and depressing to watch all your hopes for change sink away each day as...blah blah blah...

And it's gotta be sad and depressing to have nothing better to do than sit at a computer all day typing made up nonsense. Especially when you know full well the only thing you'll accomplish is being a bratty little pest. I mean, really.

[wellendowed1911]

Originally Posted by WTF

Whirlaway, you were the one to bring it up.

It is a stupid issue to bring up in times like these.

If you want to discuss the article you brought up , fine by me.

You basically lied about its content.

You seem to do that quite often.

You cherry pick a quote and then present it out of context.

When called out, you reshuffle the deck and try and start another conversation about something entirely different without ever having addressed your lie and deception.


You do understand nobody comes into office up to the task of President. It is not a job one can prepare for. While I agree Obama has been a huge disappointment, it is entirely different from why you think he has been disappointing. I was hoping he would come into office and not worry about getting re-elected and actually take on the establishment. That might be to much to ask of any one man. I thought Bush might until 9/11 came along and he lost focus.

Big money runs things. That is just the way it is. Until you guys on the right figure that out, you can dump all the Tea in China and still not make a dent in politics as usual.

This is so true Whirl is the most deceptive poster on here and he does nothing but take things out of context or post what he heard on RUSH- I don't respect anything he post because they are all fabrications.
I can find many articles stating that the current GOP crop running for President is horrible.

[MrGiz]

Originally Posted by Doove

.......... the gist of the article is that candidate Obama is not the same guy as President Obama. The author, a psychology professor, offered up 3 or 4 hypotheses as to why that is. One hypothesis, and only one hypothesis, was that Obama wasn't up to the job. Another hypothesis, in fact, is that we are, in part, being held hostage by an extremist Republican Party. . . . .

Come on now... that is an awfully! weak defense!!

But since we're hypothesizing.... "might " it be possible that Candidate Obama (like many others before him) was simply a liar?

Ya think... maybe?

[Munchmasterman]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

This Sunday's Review section, the liberal NYTs finally nailed it with what is wrong with Obama...and each day more and more Americans (notably Indepedents You have never shown any proof of this) are figuring it out ! The 2nd sentence is the key........

"A second possibility is that he is simply not up to the task by virtue of his lack of experience and a character defect that might not have been so debilitating at some other time in history. Those of us who were bewitched by his eloquence on the campaign trail chose to ignore some disquieting aspects of his biography: that he had accomplished very little before he ran for president, having never run a business or a state; that he had a singularly unremarkable career as a law professor, publishing nothing in 12 years at the University of Chicago other than an autobiography; and that, before joining the United States Senate, he had voted “present” (instead of “yea” or “nay”) 130 times, sometimes dodging difficult issues."

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/07/op...passion?&scp=1

Normally, Whirly would be screaming that half the information posted in this piece was liberal tripe, lame stream media, etc. He would dismiss it out of hand
Several got it right when describing whirly’s behavior. Cherry picking. Anything from anybody that is anti Obama. Etc.
We spend so much time correcting whirly’s posts we frequently can’t cover completely or give a subject the time it deserves. Today let’s go right to the chase.

Today I quote “The Daily Caller”

As a moderate, I frequently agree with conservative’s take on a variety of subjects. I also disagree with them on certain things. Same with the liberals. I am saying upfront I will defend specific examples, not mischaracterized generalities. I can talk so there is no reason to put words in my mouth. That all being said, it’s play time.

First off, no one has to release their school records/grades. If Obama got all As, you would probably something about the other people being stupid, classes were easy, anything to downplay his achievement. Here is your chance to vote “present”. He probably got all As in law school at Harvard. I say that because If you go to Harvard’s website, they define the law degree that includes the Latin honor, Magna Cum Laude, as a person in the top 10% of their class.

Next in The Daily Caller, this story was posted.

August 8, 2011
Liberal’s lament on Obama offers a child’s view of the world

What happened to Obama?” The title of liberal professor Drew Westen’s unintentionally humorous essay in Sunday’s New York Times is not so much a question as a lament. And while the mainstream media’s narrative during the debt crisis has been how negotiating with Tea Party conservatives is like negotiating with terrorists, Westen’s piece inadvertently reveals how negotiating with at least some liberals is like negotiating with children.
“It was a blustery day in Washington,” begins Westen’s similarly blustery essay. Westen describes his feelings as he stood watching President Obama’s inauguration speech with his eight-year-old daughter: “I had a feeling of unease,” writes Westen. “It wasn’t just that the man who could be so eloquent had seemingly chosen not to be on this auspicious occasion, although that turned out to be a troubling harbinger of things to come. It was that there was a story the American people were waiting to hear — and needed to hear — but he didn’t tell it. And in the ensuing months he continued not to tell it, no matter how outrageous the slings and arrows his opponents threw at him.”


Whirly agrees with a guy that tells us that the President should blow smoke up our collective asses. We needed daddy “to tell us a story”. We already know that whirly doesn’t believe anything Obama says. If he would have told us a story, it would just be another lie. Now whirly complains he didn’t lie. I’m going to post the President’s inaugural address. Maybe whirly has heard it, maybe not. Please feel free to compare it with the piece of shit the shrink wrote. Comments? No links no glory. Plus remember, my issues were not with a source as much as they were with someone’s analisys of any given info.

My fellow citizens:
I stand here today humbled by the task before us, grateful for the trust you have bestowed, mindful of the sacrifices borne by our ancestors. I thank President Bush for his service to our nation, as well as the generosity and cooperation he has shown throughout this transition.
Forty-four Americans have now taken the presidential oath. The words have been spoken during rising tides of prosperity and the still waters of peace. Yet, every so often, the oath is taken amidst gathering clouds and raging storms. At these moments, America has carried on not simply because of the skill or vision of those in high office, but because We the People have remained faithful to the ideals of our forebearers, and true to our founding documents.
So it has been. So it must be with this generation of Americans.
That we are in the midst of crisis is now well understood. Our nation is at war, against a far-reaching network of violence and hatred. Our economy is badly weakened, a consequence of greed and irresponsibility on the part of some, but also our collective failure to make hard choices and prepare the nation for a new age. Homes have been lost; jobs shed; businesses shuttered. Our health care is too costly; our schools fail too many; and each day brings further evidence that the ways we use energy strengthen our adversaries and threaten our planet.
These are the indicators of crisis, subject to data and statistics. Less measurable but no less profound is a sapping of confidence across our land -- a nagging fear that America's decline is inevitable, and that the next generation must lower its sights.
Today I say to you that the challenges we face are real. They are serious and they are many. They will not be met easily or in a short span of time. But know this, America: They will be met.
On this day, we gather because we have chosen hope over fear, unity of purpose over conflict and discord.
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We remain a young nation, but in the words of Scripture, the time has come to set aside childish things. The time has come to reaffirm our enduring spirit; to choose our better history; to carry forward that precious gift, that noble idea, passed on from generation to generation: the God-given promise that all are equal, all are free, and all deserve a chance to pursue their full measure of happiness.
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For us, they packed up their few worldly possessions and traveled across oceans in search of a new life.
For us, they toiled in sweatshops and settled the West; endured the lash of the whip and plowed the hard earth.
For us, they fought and died, in places like Concord and Gettysburg; Normandy and Khe Sahn.
Time and again, these men and women struggled and sacrificed and worked till their hands were raw so that we might live a better life. They saw America as bigger than the sum of our individual ambitions; greater than all the differences of birth or wealth or faction.
This is the journey we continue today. We remain the most prosperous, powerful nation on Earth. Our workers are no less productive than when this crisis began. Our minds are no less inventive, our goods and services no less needed than they were last week or last month or last year. Our capacity remains undiminished. But our time of standing pat, of protecting narrow interests and putting off unpleasant decisions -- that time has surely passed. Starting today, we must pick ourselves up, dust ourselves off, and begin again the work of remaking America.
For everywhere we look, there is work to be done. The state of the economy calls for action, bold and swift, and we will act -- not only to create new jobs, but to lay a new foundation for growth. We will build the roads and bridges, the electric grids and digital lines that feed our commerce and bind us together. We will restore science to its rightful place, and wield technology's wonders to raise health care's quality and lower its cost. We will harness the sun and the winds and the soil to fuel our cars and run our factories. And we will transform our schools and colleges and universities to meet the demands of a new age. All this we can do. And all this we will do.
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What the cynics fail to understand is that the ground has shifted beneath them -- that the stale political arguments that have consumed us for so long no longer apply. The question we ask today is not whether our government is too big or too small, but whether it works -- whether it helps families find jobs at a decent wage, care they can afford, a retirement that is dignified. Where the answer is yes, we intend to move forward. Where the answer is no, programs will end. And those of us who manage the public's dollars will be held to account -- to spend wisely, reform bad habits, and do our business in the light of day -- because only then can we restore the vital trust between a people and their government.
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We are the keepers of this legacy. Guided by these principles once more, we can meet those new threats that demand even greater effort -- even greater cooperation and understanding between nations. We will begin to responsibly leave Iraq to its people, and forge a hard-earned peace in Afghanistan. With old friends and former foes, we will work tirelessly to lessen the nuclear threat, and roll back the specter of a warming planet. We will not apologize for our way of life, nor will we waver in its defense, and for those who seek to advance their aims by inducing terror and slaughtering innocents, we say to you now that our spirit is stronger and cannot be broken; you cannot outlast us, and we will defeat you.
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As we consider the road that unfolds before us, we remember with humble gratitude those brave Americans who, at this very hour, patrol far-off deserts and distant mountains. They have something to tell us today, just as the fallen heroes who lie in Arlington whisper through the ages. We honor them not only because they are guardians of our liberty, but because they embody the spirit of service; a willingness to find meaning in something greater than themselves. And yet, at this moment -- a moment that will define a generation -- it is precisely this spirit that must inhabit us all.
For as much as government can do and must do, it is ultimately the faith and determination of the American people upon which this nation relies. It is the kindness to take in a stranger when the levees break, the selflessness of workers who would rather cut their hours than see a friend lose their job which sees us through our darkest hours. It is the firefighter's courage to storm a stairway filled with smoke, but also a parent's willingness to nurture a child, that finally decides our fate.
Our challenges may be new. The instruments with which we meet them may be new. But those values upon which our success depends -- hard work and honesty, courage and fair play, tolerance and curiosity, loyalty and patriotism -- these things are old. These things are true. They have been the quiet force of progress throughout our history. What is demanded then is a return to these truths. What is required of us now is a new era of responsibility -- a recognition, on the part of every American, that we have duties to ourselves, our nation and the world; duties that we do not grudgingly accept but rather seize gladly, firm in the knowledge that there is nothing so satisfying to the spirit, so defining of our character, than giving our all to a difficult task.
This is the price and the promise of citizenship.
This is the source of our confidence -- the knowledge that God calls on us to shape an uncertain destiny.
This is the meaning of our liberty and our creed -- why men and women and children of every race and every faith can join in celebration across this magnificent Mall, and why a man whose father less than 60 years ago might not have been served at a local restaurant can now stand before you to take a most sacred oath.
So let us mark this day with remembrance, of who we are and how far we have traveled. In the year of America's birth, in the coldest of months, a small band of patriots huddled by dying campfires on the shores of an icy river. The capital was abandoned. The enemy was advancing. The snow was stained with blood. At a moment when the outcome of our revolution was most in doubt, the father of our nation ordered these words be read to the people:
"Let it be told to the future world ... that in the depth of winter, when nothing but hope and virtue could survive... that the city and the country, alarmed at one common danger, came forth to meet [it]."
America. In the face of our common dangers, in this winter of our hardship, let us remember these timeless words. With hope and virtue, let us brave once more the icy currents, and endure what storms may come. Let it be said by our children's children that when we were tested, we refused to let this journey end, that we did not turn back, nor did we falter; and with eyes fixed on the horizon and God's grace upon us, we carried forth that great gift of freedom and delivered it safely to future generations.

[IIFFOFRDB]

"Come on Whirlaway: bring it home"

[Doove]

Originally Posted by MrGiz

Come on now... that is an awfully! weak defense!!

Only in your world would the truth be a weak defense.

But since we're hypothesizing.... "might " it be possible that Candidate Obama (like many others before him) was simply a liar?

Ya think... maybe?

Possible. And it's also possible that candidate Obama simply underestimated the radicalism of the Republican Party.

[Munchmasterman]

Originally Posted by MrGiz

Come on now... that is an awfully! weak defense!!

But since we're hypothesizing.... "might " it be possible that Candidate Obama (like many others before him) was simply a liar?

Ya think... maybe?

So that makes 5 hypothesizes? How about one more? How about "Dreams and aspirations taken to Washington may not hold together for a bunch of different reasons"?

[IIFFOFRDB]

They post like they sound scared to me. Time will tell. Marshall said to tell everyone hellow. LOL

[Whirlaway]

Free Marshall...Free Marshall....Free Marshall.....

[Munchmasterman]

Originally Posted by wellendowed1911

This is so true Whirl is the most deceptive poster on here and he does nothing but take things out of context or post what he heard on RUSH- I don't respect anything he post because they are all fabrications.
I can find many articles stating that the current GOP crop running for President is horrible.

Actually the most transparent. Always check his links.

[Munchmasterman]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

Free Marshall...Free Marshall....Free Marshall.....

It's good to be free. Especially mashall free. You folded early tonight. How ironic that you think somebody who would have nothing to contribute except HA HA HA has your back.

[Whirlaway]

I didn't fold...the Obama zombies follow my posts around and bark bark bark like puppy dogs as entertainment for me.

Why don't you guys post a thread telling us what a great job Obama is doing with the economy, the war, the debt, health care, food stamps, employment, wages, the environment, yada yada....ya can't ! His administration has no accomplishements you want to brag on.....shit your guy presided over the shut down of space exploration !

I guess you could brag on all his WH social fun; or his golf game; or all the union thugs he has hosted at the WH......oh I know, tell us all about his fund raising.......

Oh well, nothing positive to say so why don't you Obama zombies just keep blaming everybody else.............

[IIFFOFRDB]

"We all must do what we must do,

for if we do not,

then what we must do does not get done."

Chung Mee

YUP