Justice Scalia: Let Them Die

[Guest040616]

Originally Posted by Grifter

What if Bush and Republicans passed a law saying everyone needs to buy a gun, everyone, because there are bad people out there who can hurt you.

You're comparing apples to oranges! Those who do not own guns do not show up at the hospital emergency room expecting someone else to pay for a gun they are hoping to walk away with!

[Don't Be Daft!]

Pardon last nights rant gents. I was a wee bit emotional. As a physician it can be hard looking at political v medical issues. Personally, my situation isn't only sorting peoples health needs out but trying to balance my own political beliefs with my new countries beliefs. I'm not sure to be honest socialized medicine would ever work in this countries climate. It seems the capitalist nature of America possibly won't let it. Perhaps that's why Obama tried to force the issue.

[Af-Freakin]

Originally Posted by Chica Chaser

The Latina mama is leaning towards the conservative side. An Obama appointee and as left as you can get.
http://freebeacon.com/white-house-tr...brand-mandate/

we'll see if she turns into a race traitor ChicoChaser.

[nevergaveitathought]

Originally Posted by Af-Freakin

we'll see if she turns into a race traitor ChicoChaser.

thats one of the sickest comments ever made here

[Iaintliein]

Originally Posted by liberaldevil

Pardon last nights rant gents. I was a wee bit emotional. As a physician it can be hard looking at political v medical issues. Personally, my situation isn't only sorting peoples health needs out but trying to balance my own political beliefs with my new countries beliefs. I'm not sure to be honest socialized medicine would ever work in this countries climate. It seems the capitalist nature of America possibly won't let it. Perhaps that's why Obama tried to force the issue.

No problem, speak your mind and welcome, didn't realize you'd moved here permanently.

It's been a while since I looked up the information, perhaps things have changed, but historically American capitalism has largely underwritten British social programs. The majority of US businesses owned by foreigners have have historically belonged to British subjects. That profit, combined with the proceeds from US equity markets (no way of knowing, but I'm guessing many Brits participate). Add to this the fact the US is the UK's biggest trading partner, even ignoring the Marshal plan means a very large part of money going into the Exchequer results from US capitalism.

So, in a way, Europeans lobbying for the US to adopt European style socialism is a bit like insisting that the hoarse should climb aboard and ride on the wagon. It just won't work.

[LovingKayla]

Why can't we reform things like 1000 ambulance ride for 3 blocks? Or 300k for a surgen to do brain surgery? I'm a capitalist from way back but that is some crazy shit.


I was listening to commentators this morning and I agree with the one that says, "rewrite the whole dame thing and leave out all the stuff that has nothing to do with healthcare. The bill would be 50 pages tops." I'm down with that.

[nevergaveitathought]

Originally Posted by Iaintliein

It's been a while since I looked up the information, perhaps things have changed, but historically American capitalism has largely underwritten British social programs. .

our military has subsidized the world, as has our medical research and drug costs.

[JD Barleycorn]

I have noticed that a lot of things that Louie posts have an amazing habit of matching the timing of the White House. I think he is a plant so Louie, Rahm, David, or Valerie whatever your real name is let me post where your words really came from http://www.thepeoplesview.net/2012/0...-them-die.html A nice leftie journalist.



I don't have a lot of time but I have gone through some of the transcripts and I don't find where Scalia said this. Maybe you could link us to it or maybe about 6 comments before and 6 comments after.

[Iaintliein]

Originally Posted by LovingKayla

Why can't we reform things like 1000 ambulance ride for 3 blocks? Or 300k for a surgen to do brain surgery? I'm a capitalist from way back but that is some crazy shit.


I was listening to commentators this morning and I agree with the one that says, "rewrite the whole dame thing and leave out all the stuff that has nothing to do with healthcare. The bill would be 50 pages tops." I'm down with that.

The best way I know to bring cost down is to eliminate as many "middle men" as possible. Make all insurance illegal, all of it, and implement big time tort reform. Huge numbers of people are employed by insurance companies, doctor's offices (ambulance services), government agencies and lawyer offices just to create, handle and re-handle the CYA paperwork. Repeal laws that prevent special pricing and price wars amongst healthcare providers. In my opinion, that would drive 2/3 of the cost out of the system. Is a medical office going to charge what they charge today when the one down the street charges half? I doubt it.

[nevergaveitathought]

Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

I have noticed that a lot of things that Louie posts have an amazing habit of matching the timing of the White House. I think he is a plant so Louie, Rahm, David, or Valerie whatever your real name is let me post where your words really came from http://www.thepeoplesview.net/2012/0...-them-die.html A nice leftie journalist.



I don't have a lot of time but I have gone through some of the transcripts and I don't find where Scalia said this. Maybe you could link us to it or maybe about 6 comments before and 6 comments after.

he said that or something akin to it but the import was much different than the spin

i listened to the arguments on cspan

[Missy Mariposa]

You're comparing apples to oranges! Those who do not own guns do not show up at the hospital emergency room expecting someone else to pay for a gun they are hoping to walk away with!

Thank you.

Why can't it work more like car insurance? Maybe I'm naive but last time I checked 45+ states FORCE us to insure our vehicles so that if we get in accidents someone else isn't left paying YOUR BILL. What's the problem with at least making sure you can't bail on a hospital bill - if nothing else?
Aren't republicans all for not having to pay other people's bills? Isn't that the entire argument behind not wanting national healthcare? So why enable a system that makes it so we ALL have to pay people's bills who don't want to fiddle with insurance and just use a fake name or pretend no habla ingles?

[TheDaliLama]

Take the bus.

[Iaintliein]

Originally Posted by Missy Mariposa

Thank you.

Why can't it work more like car insurance? Maybe I'm naive but last time I checked 45+ states FORCE us to insure our vehicles so that if we get in accidents someone else isn't left paying YOUR BILL. What's the problem with at least making sure you can't bail on a hospital bill - if nothing else?
Aren't republicans all for not having to pay other people's bills? Isn't that the entire argument behind not wanting national healthcare? So why enable a system that makes it so we ALL have to pay people's bills who don't want to fiddle with insurance and just use a fake name or pretend no habla ingles?

The tenth amendment; state governments and the federal government are not interchangeable, as the current administration is likely to find out soon. Also, I'm not aware of any state forcing you to pay for someone else's insurance, yet that's exactly what Obamacare does.

[CJ7]

Originally Posted by Iaintliein

The tenth amendment; state governments and the federal government are not interchangeable, as the current administration is likely to find out soon. Also,


I'm not aware of any state forcing you to pay for someone else's insurance, yet that's exactly what Obamacare does.

The Massachusetts health care insurance reform law, St. 2006, c.58,[1][2], enacted in 2006, mandates that nearly every resident of Massachusetts obtain a state-government-regulated minimum level of healthcare insurance coverage and provides free health care insurance for residents earning less than 150% of the federal poverty level (FPL)[3] who are not eligible for Mass Health (Medicaid). The law also partially subsidizes health care insurance for those earning up to 300% of the FPL. These subsidies and FPL-related calculations affect very few of the over 6,000,000 people (see Massachusetts Department of Healthcare Finance and Policy quarterly Key Indicators report) that had healthcare insurance prior to the enactment of the law.

[Doove]

Originally Posted by Missy Mariposa

Aren't republicans all for not having to pay other people's bills? Isn't that the entire argument behind not wanting national healthcare?

Actually, that was the Republican argument behind the mandate - until it became associated with Barack Obama.