How Far Can LE Go to Make a Bust?

[kittendd]

Ok I am going to put my two sense in on this. A good friend who is current practicing attorney in Arkansas told me this when I ask pretty much the same thing. ( For his privacy I will not use his name openly on here)

It is as follows:

LE can and will do what they want. Period! When you are talking to someone on the phone screen screen screen. If a undercover calls you and say you say its $$$ for said service and then you go to that outcall. At this point just to clarify you have already committed to donation amount for said service. Once you walk into that room that is it. They can arrest you for the intention or purpose for soliciation or whatever else they are in the mood for ( did I get that spelled right Bluff City)
Always say $$$ is for time spent and anything else that may or may not occur is between consenting adults.

You do not have to perform a service nor do you actually have to touch the money .

Once again this is was just his advice to me when I ask him and he has never lied to me.

I will glady pm more detail information to those who are interested

I hope this helps some

[bluffcityguy]

Originally Posted by kittendd

Ok I am going to put my two sense in on this. A good friend who is current practicing attorney in Arkansas told me this when I ask pretty much the same thing. ( For his privacy I will not use his name openly on here)

It is as follows:

LE can and will do what they want. Period! When you are talking to someone on the phone screen screen screen. If a undercover calls you and say you say its $$$ for said service and then you go to that outcall. At this point just to clarify you have already committed to donation amount for said service. Once you walk into that room that is it. They can arrest you for the intention or purpose for soliciation or whatever else they are in the mood for ( did I get that spelled right Bluff City)

"Solicitation". Normally I don't do spelling flames; just remember you (implied) asked. I knew what you meant.

Originally Posted by kittendd

Always say $$$ is for time spent and anything else that may or may not occur is between consenting adults.

You do not have to perform a service nor do you actually have to touch the money .

Once again this is was just his advice to me when I ask him and he has never lied to me.

I will glady pm more detail information to those who are interested

I hope this helps some

I practiced in Missouri, so I don't know the provisions of the Arkansas statute. In Missouri, the statute defined "prostitution" as the agreement to provide sex (as defined by another part of the statute) in return for money "or other valuable consideration" (lawyer-talk which covers bartering sex for non-money goods or personal services). If the Arkansas statute reads similarly (and the few other states whose prostitution statutes I've actually looked at do read similarly), the offense is complete once the agreement is made, no acts actually have to take place. Hence the advice not to mention them, especially in conjunction with money.

Realistically, the disclaimer "money is exchanged for companionship and time spent, and anything else that may or may not occur is between consenting adults and is not expected or contracted for" (or similar) is a pretty transparent dodge, and I strongly suspect that 9 out of 10 average juries wouldn't buy it. Ever. (The tenth jury is one that is picked by a master criminal lawyer, and probably isn't average. ).

Cheers,

bcg

[kittendd]

lol I did ask and since my spelling tends to suck somedays hey what can I say. I will agree it does seem a bit transparent which is why I try really hard not quote a rate period over the phone . In any case those were his words of advice. So far he hasnt lead me wrong. I think its realistic that if the le wants to bust a girl they will. period... No matter of wording or anything else will stop them once they make up their minds,. I do find it funny that most who do the things are hobbyist as well. Statues may state one thing but le doesnt have to always follow it

[willro]

Just for the record, the only thing I have ever handed over $$$ for is companionship and time on a date.

I can sometimes understand why LE would target SW activity (robberies, pimps, crack heads, and all that crap), but I have no clue why time and money would be spent on trying to get a bust in our part of the hobby. We mind our own business and don't harm anyone. If you don't agree with the hobby, don't go looking for it. It will not come and find you. I have never met a client or provider that tried to force the hobby on anyone, and I don't expect that I will. It's my contention that LE trying to set up complicated, undercover stings, are wasting their time and taxpayer's money. Please go find the piece of sh*t that killed the Salvation Army guy in NLR a couple week ago instead. That's just my 2cents.

[Randi]

How far can "le" go to bust us?? All the way to the cop shop!!
Screen screen screen and when ur tired of that ..screen somemore!!!

[Guest022210]

I think if the police take a good look at me they would immediately know the exchange of money was involved.

[Girl Nexxxt Door]

Lol, Lookin4... it's not working. You're still on my radar, as well.

[guest071811-3]

hate to break the news, but while screening makes all feel good, and saying the whole "im only compensating a girl for her time" sounds great in theory..

#1 any and every screening process can be gotten around by LE

#2 saying that won't keep you from being arrested and pointed out before no jury will buy that line as your "way out" lol..

if you think LE would read a board and go..oh we can't go after him/her they are only exchanging money for time your goofy lol..

couple that with thinking that because your screening process has always been top notch and your prime pickings for LE.

flipped providers/hobbyiest
fake phones, fake hobbyiest handles, fake providers, recieving fake reviews from fake hobbyiest, verifiable employee info, hobby phones, references, names, its all capable of being worked around..is screening stupid or pointless? no.. but in actuality while it works for the most part, in more so just puts the provider at ease about seeing the guy and does not ensure safety within these days even remotely a good percentage. LE simply reads the boards, figures out what girls are doing to screen and develops work arounds to begin to nab girls in groups..

as was said, if they want you, they will get you, thinking anything else, or what your doing or saying hobby wise will prevent it is a stretch at best..and merely just convincing yourself your safer then without it..but still very much at risk

there is quite the risk engaging in what we do, you have to be willing to live with the consequences of what you choose to do as adults. That includes being arrested, convicted and punished according to the law, its a fact we are faced with every time we answer the phone or a hobbyiest makes a phone call..not fun, doesn't make this much of an enjoyable hobby if you let that weigh on you constantly, but its facts..

if you are not willing to live with the consequences, this isn't the place for you..the risk no matter what is always there and is actually as LE becomes more internet savvy and intelligent to this world is becoming more of a risk..

[Bimboknocker]

Using the laws they have passed since 9/11, they could come after us for using the internet like we are. Even if they didn't ever get a conviction, it would look good in the paper for LE. And we have left enough of a paper trail, with today's tech., that they could get most everyone on any of these sites.

[Guest022210]

Originally Posted by Girl Nexxxt Door

Lol, Lookin4... it's not working. You're still on my radar, as well.

You are certainly who I would pick for my undercover officer, Dana. It would be an honor to be handcuffed to you.

[bluffcityguy]

Originally Posted by willro

Just for the record, the only thing I have ever handed over $$$ for is companionship and time on a date.

I can sometimes understand why LE would target SW activity (robberies, pimps, crack heads, and all that crap), but I have no clue why time and money would be spent on trying to get a bust in our part of the hobby.

Any organization (the PD in general, and the vice squad in particular) is going to do what it can to justify its existence. They aren't going to fold up and go away if they got rid of all the SWs (and realistically, they won't do that, either).

Keep in mind, too; "our part of the hobby" includes, in the public mind, CL and BP, and there was that brouhaha over on the east coast (Boston, wasn't it?) over the guy who killed an escort/masseuse he met through CL. That pretty much killed the wild and wooly days of "anything goes" on CL Erotic Services... well, in fact it killed CL Erotic Services entirely and replaced it with CL "Adult Services" (a distinction with very few differences, but we'll leave that go for now).

Cheers,

bcg

[Lily Blair]

Originally Posted by Girl Nexxxt Door

Lol, Lookin4... it's not working. You're still on my radar, as well.

Originally Posted by Lookin4

You are certainly who I would pick for my undercover officer, Dana. It would be an honor to be handcuffed to you.

Geez guys, get a room already.....

[bluffcityguy]

Originally Posted by Blond_Lily

Geez guys, get a room already.....

Hey, why don't we get a room and then they can do whatever they want...

Heheheheheh....

(Love that avatar... if it's you, I'm in love. )

Cheers,

bcg

[Lily Blair]

Originally Posted by bluffcityguy

Hey, why don't we get a room and then they can do whatever they want...

Heheheheheh....

(Love that avatar... if it's you, I'm in love. )

Cheers,

bcg

No need to get a room hun--my house is nice and toasty warm

[Melissa69]

Honestly They can go as far as the see fit according to the Indianapolis vice who play very dirty I was busted but let go after performing acts on the officer nothing was discussed up front but after receiving 10 mins of service decides he wants to arrest me mind you he came to my incall PM for more details he's words were I could F*$& you and then arrest you as long as I don't cum those assholes think they can do whatever they want assuming no one will fight them on it