Did it occur to anyone...

[khazard]

But Johny, how do you know if the fat slob isn't contributing something to the natural order of the world? How can you say someone's life does not matter if you have no idea what impact that person life is having on the world around us or if his death would have a different impact?

Say the fat slob had a child whom was about to cure cancer, but in the grief of his death, they lost the path they were on and the cure lost with it.

Life and death are not things that we can put a value on because we truly have no idea what that life impacts in the world.

But I agree, African Americans are Africans that immigrated and became american. 2 generation, they are just Americans whom happen to be black. BLM has shown to be more racist than whites have been in many many years.

[khazard]

As for hitler, well unfortunately his role in the world did have an impact. Consider the current state of the world economies. If hitler and stalin would not have been mass murderers, then the world would be even more populated. A sad but true fact. Approx 40 million lives lost between them. Not to mention Mao Zedong with approximately 78 million.

If that was equal male and female, the approximately 20 million couple, which if each had 2 children, the number would be 40 million more kids, which would now be adult with probably 2 children of their own, 40 million more. Sure maybe grand parents died off, but still 80 million more mouths, and job needed in an economy that can support our current numbers as they are.

Yes his life mattered, and yes it made and impact on the world. Was what they did good? No, but it had an impact. If they were not born or killed before their atrocities, it would have had a different impact. Would it be better or worse than where we are now? Well, we will never know that.

[SmallWonder]

Hitler wasn't all bad. After all, he killed Hitler.

[melnict]

It's a dialogue starter about a very specific part of racism that doesn't necessarily occur everywhere, but happens enough to draw attention to it. It's not to mean that anyone else doesn't matter or matters less. "Black lives also matter" wouldn't quite be catchy enough to have a hashtag. We as individuals can say we're 'not the one' and can treat all people with respect and love, but that doesn't change the things about our country that truly did hold people back. Redlining by far had the most impact beginning in the 1930's but extending into the 80's as well. Do a little research. I don't mean this to be like a retort or anything. It's just insane the social racism that has shaped our country so recently!! It completely blew my mind when I first started reading about this!! I had no idea until one particularly left wing fb friend started linking articles that I originally read because I thought it was a load of crap and then eventually couldn't stop reading because of how appalled I was at the way things truly are. Anyways......I'm definitely not an expert on this and obviously individuals are different in all aspects so I'm sure there's going to be be some responses that give an account of one particular instance that is supposed to negate everything I said...........needless to say, I know I'm going to regret this, but if even just one person reads a little something and thinks to themselves...hhmmmmmm I never thought of it that way.....then it was worth it.

[melnict]

Originally Posted by SmallWonder

Hitler wasn't all bad. After all, he killed Hitler.

This is probably my favorite thing I've seen all day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[melnict]

Originally Posted by melnict

It's a dialogue starter about a very specific part of racism that doesn't necessarily occur everywhere, but happens enough to draw attention to it. It's not to mean that anyone else doesn't matter or matters less. "Black lives also matter" wouldn't quite be catchy enough to have a hashtag. We as individuals can say we're 'not the one' and can treat all people with respect and love, but that doesn't change the things about our country that truly did hold people back. Redlining by far had the most impact beginning in the 1930's but extending into the 80's as well. Do a little research. I don't mean this to be like a retort or anything. It's just insane the social racism that has shaped our country so recently!! It completely blew my mind when I first started reading about this!! I had no idea until one particularly left wing fb friend started linking articles that I originally read because I thought it was a load of crap and then eventually couldn't stop reading because of how appalled I was at the way things truly are. Anyways......I'm definitely not an expert on this and obviously individuals are different in all aspects so I'm sure there's going to be be some responses that give an account of one particular instance that is supposed to negate everything I said...........needless to say, I know I'm going to regret this, but if even just one person reads a little something and thinks to themselves...hhmmmmmm I never thought of it that way.....then it was worth it.

I completely forgot to tie redlining in to the movement...hahahaha anyways it created demographics of cities specifically the 'inner city'. You've got a ton of people who truly deserved a lot more out of life and did the work and then were denied access by a racist system. Those people are still alive and their children and grandchildren are the ones being profiled and shot and arrested disproportionately to population. It created a lot of anger, and forced people to live in over crowded dilapidated housing....which seems pretty obviously to be a factor in crime statistics and in police ideals of black people and ultimately why black lives matter exists

[khazard]

You are correct, they did get railroaded pretty hard to live in certain areas, and yes they were slightly limited from moving around. But I'm going to extend on your dates. So over the last 30 years, many of them have remained where they are. Still angry that they are not getting ahead. But a lot of that is because they are still angry. Thier very mannerisms, customs, vocal patterns, short tempers, and dress are the things that hold them back. They are angry at society for things that haven't been around in a long while now. Many blacks have moved out of those areas and prospered but when we see them and hear them, we do not feel threatened, but with the inner city ones we still do. Why is this really? Well because of media, nesw, and statistics. We see the individuals causing problems, we see how they dress, we hear how they speak, and those become warning triggers. These things were glorified in there "inner city" music. We have come to relate these things to gangsters. But even that is not just black. It has little to do with the color of their skin when you really think about it. When I see whites, mexicans, asians, what ever else doing these same things, I associate them the same way: criminalistic, unintelligent, or angry. You would be correct in saying that the clothes or speech does not define them as a person, but when all you see is criminals in the media with these exact mannerisms, they will get categorized. A more recent analogy is with arabs. You see the headrest or face covers and first thoughts swing to Arab then terrorist or beaten abused woman. Same situation at fault. Media. That's what we see, that's what we are shown, and therefor, that is how they are categorized. They on the other hand focus on one specific thing. Skin color. The angry ones don't see past that. They are still hung up on "white priviledge".

The business world is about appearance, intelligence, and work ethic. Mix them up in any order, but if you fail at 2, you will fail at the interview. If you dress poorly and speak poorly, well that is two poor scores out of three. They will most likely assume that you work poorly aswell. To be completely honest, all they really need to do is break their molds. Break those old habits of dressing gangster and speaking gangster. That will open up a lot of doors.

If you even attempt to say "but you are then you are asking them to give up their culture". With that, my rebuttal would be: Then where is the African in their African American? I have met many africans, none of them exhibit the same mannerisms and cultural habits that "inner city" blacks exhibit. Nor do any of the ones that I have met from Canada or Europe. It is purely an American trait the blacks gave themselves. Even black businessmen and women do not behave with these mannerisms.

So is it really this "white privilege" that is the problem? Or could it be that they are presenting themselves in an unfavorable, commonly criminalistic manner that garners more attention?

People of all colors and ethnicities are judged and categorized by how we dress or speak. Just as we see a white "wife beater" shirt and a southern accent, cowboy boots in a walmart, we assume redneck or WT. a Mexican wearing a button up with just the top button buttoned and a dew rag, we thing cholo gangster. A Mexicans in a group outside of home depot, maybe illegals but hard working.

People look at me and do a double take when I speak Spanish. Because I look white and don't look mexican. Well that's because I'm not mexican, but many people don't know the distinctions between spanish speakers. It is very frustrating to us to be called what we are not. There are many spanish speaking countries. We are not all from mexico. But we take it in stride and forgive for the lack of understanding.

But the BLM movement is less about awareness and more about attempting to show how privileged non blacks are. Try dressing nicer, pull up your pants, wear a belt. Speak regular American. You will see how much relationships and reactions towards you change. You will most likely feel almost invisible, you will get less stares, less assumptions of dangerous, and less shyness/fearfulness around you. Be black, be proud, but break and move away from the negative stereo types. If you look and sound the role, people will assume you fit that role. Being angry at the past will not help you towards a happy future.

[Evie Doll]

Well said!

[Mufflerbearings]

Earlier Evie said that whites tend to be more colorblind then blacks and I couldn't agree more. I see often where blacks are treated with deference by whites but blacks treat whites with contempt. I'm specifically thinking about a recent experience at an East Coast airport where a black ticket agent was more then helpful to a black customer ahead of me but has a real attitude about my request.

[dog1]

Evie for President.
Hillary couldn't keep bill happy how the hell will she keep a country happy.

as for the topic it seems white people are a target of a lot of hate these days.
I respect all until someone no longer deserves it.
I cant help what happened before but if we don't come together as a nation we will divide and conquer ourselves and leave the spoils for Russia and china.

[CuteOldGuy]

I'd vote for Evie in a heartbeat!

[Evie Doll]

I'd run too if I could! But too many skeletons in a hooker's closet! only liars and tyrants like Hilary and Obama can get into office, or ignorant socialist like Bernie :/

[Evie Doll]

Originally Posted by melnict

It's a dialogue starter about a very specific part of racism that doesn't necessarily occur everywhere, but happens enough to draw attention to it. It's not to mean that anyone else doesn't matter or matters less. "Black lives also matter" wouldn't quite be catchy enough to have a hashtag. We as individuals can say we're 'not the one' and can treat all people with respect and love, but that doesn't change the things about our country that truly did hold people back. Redlining by far had the most impact beginning in the 1930's but extending into the 80's as well. Do a little research. I don't mean this to be like a retort or anything. It's just insane the social racism that has shaped our country so recently!! It completely blew my mind when I first started reading about this!! I had no idea until one particularly left wing fb friend started linking articles that I originally read because I thought it was a load of crap and then eventually couldn't stop reading because of how appalled I was at the way things truly are. Anyways......I'm definitely not an expert on this and obviously individuals are different in all aspects so I'm sure there's going to be be some responses that give an account of one particular instance that is supposed to negate everything I said...........needless to say, I know I'm going to regret this, but if even just one person reads a little something and thinks to themselves...hhmmmmmm I never thought of it that way.....then it was worth it.

Well...a black boy called me a cracker in elementary school. I think I'll have my children sue him for racial oppression.

[Lamb66]

Evie, you know I would vote for you and would keep everything top secret.

[Guest013121]

Originally Posted by Evie Doll

Well...a black boy called me a cracker in elementary school. I think I'll have my children sue him for racial oppression.

I'm sure his parents and environment were to blame for that.