The Miracle of Barack Obama

[CJ7]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

CBJ7, you may be right. Obama may not be a socialist. He is more likely a fascist. Happy now?

since fascists oppose affiliation with either the left or the right its not likely he is a true fascist either

but keep trying

[i'va biggen]

Originally Posted by joe bloe

Let's take a hypothetical. Let's say, there's a white conservative Republican president that was indoctrinated in the Klan's belief system.

Lets say his mother was clearly sympathetic to the KIan's beliefs. His biological father was either in the Klan or sympathetic to it. His childhood mentor was a Klan member. In his autobiography, he said that he hung out with Klan members in college. His maternal grandfather shared the Klan's beliefs. His closest advisor and friend, had a father in law that was a Klan member. He began his political career in the home of someone who described himself as a Klansman.

Are you telling me that you wouldn't say, that person was, for all intents and purposes, a Klansman?

Naw a Baptist minster...

[CuteOldGuy]

Originally Posted by CJ7

since fascists oppose affiliation with either the left or the right its not likely he is a true fascist either

but keep trying

Well, I see your point, CBJ7, he may not be a true fascist, but he is working on it, and getting better.

[fetishfreak]

Is Obama a socialist?

http://socialistparty-usa.org/principles.html Not all are included.

Socialist Society

Freedom & Equality

Democratic socialism is a political and economic system with freedom and equality for all, so that people may develop to their fullest potential in harmony with others. The Socialist Party is committed to full freedom of speech, assembly, press, and religion, and to a multi-party system. We are dedicated to the abolition of male supremacy and class society, and to the elimination of all forms of oppression, including those based on race, national origin, age, sexual preferences, and disabling conditions.

Production For Use, Not For Profit

In a socialist system the people own and control the means of production and distribution through democratically controlled public agencies, cooperatives, or other collective groups. The primary goal of economic activity is to provide the necessities of life, including food, shelter, health care, education, child care, cultural opportunities, and social services.
These social services include care for the chronically ill, persons with mental disabilities, the infirm and the aging. Planning takes place at the community, regional, and national levels, and is determined democratically with the input of workers, consumers, and the public to be served.

Full Employment

Under welfare capitalism, a reserve pool of people is kept undereducated, under-skilled and unemployed, largely along racial and gender lines, to exert pressure on those who are employed and on organized labor. The employed pay for this knife that capitalism holds to their throats by being taxed to fund welfare programs to maintain the unemployed and their children. In this way the working class is divided against itself; those with jobs and those without are separated by resentment and fear. In socialism, full employment is realized for everyone who wants to work.

Worker & Community Control

Democracy in daily life is the core of our socialism. Public ownership becomes a fraud if decisions are made by distant bureaucrats or authoritarian managers. In socialist society power resides in worker-managed and cooperative enterprises. Community-based cooperatives help provide the flexibility and innovation required in a dynamic socialist economy. Workers have the right to form unions freely, and to strike and engage in other forms of job actions. Worker and community control make it possible to combine life at work, home and in the community into a meaningful whole for adults and children. Girls and boys are encouraged to grow up able to choose freely the shape of their lives and work without gender and racial stereotyping. Children are provided with the care, goods and services, and support that they need, and are protected from abuse.

Ecological Harmony

A socialist society carefully plans its way of life and technology to be a harmonious part of our natural environment. This planning takes place on regional, national, and international levels and covers the production of energy, the use of scarce resources, land-use planning, the prevention of pollution and the preservation of wildlife. The cleanup of the contaminated environment and the creation of a nuclear-free world are among the first tasks of a socialist society.

The above is listed on the Socialist Party USA website as their basis for a Socialist Society

If you believe he is or isn't use this as a basis to make your arguments. This would be the core beliefs he must hold to be a socialist.

[CJ7]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

Well, I see your point, CBJ7, he may not be a true fascist, but he is working on it, and getting better.

not to worry, chances are Obie will go to the olympics and the right leaners on the board will have quivering fits and you can join in

[fetishfreak]

The rest of the list since many will probably not actually go to the website.

Socialist Strategy

Socialist Feminism and Women's Liberation

Socialist feminism confronts the common root of sexism, racism and classism: the determination of a life of oppression or privilege based on accidents of birth or circumstances. Socialist feminism is an inclusive way of creating social change. We value synthesis and cooperation rather than conflict and competition.
We work against the exploitation and oppression of women who live with lower wages, inferior working conditions and subordination in the home, in society and in politics. Socialists struggle for the full freedom of women and men to control their own bodies and reproductive systems and to determine their own sexual orientation. We stand for the right of women to choose to have a safe and legal abortion, at no cost, regardless of age, race, or circumstance.
Women’s independent organizations and caucuses are essential to full liberation, both before and after the transformation to socialism. Women will define their own liberation.

Liberation of Oppressed People

Bigotry and discrimination help the ruling class divide, exploit, and abuse workers here and in the Third World. The Socialist Party works to eliminate prejudice and discrimination in all its forms. We recognize the right of self-defense in the face of attacks; we also support non-violent direct action in combating oppression. We fully support strong and expanded affirmative action programs to help combat the entrenched inertia of a racist and sexist system which profits from discrimination and social division.
People of color, lesbians and gays, and other oppressed groups need independent organization to fight oppression. Racism will not be eliminated merely by eliminating capitalism.

International Solidarity & Peace

People around the world have more in common with each other than with their rulers. We condemn war, preparation for war, and the militaristic culture because they play havoc with people's lives and divert resources from constructive social projects. Militarism also concentrates even greater power in the hands of the few, the powerful and the violent. We align with no nation, but only with working people throughout the world.

Internal Democracy

Socialism and democracy are one and indivisible. The Socialist Party is democratic, with its structure and practices visible and accessible to all members. We reject dogma and promote internal debate. The Socialist Party is a "multi-tendency" organization. We orient ourselves around our principles and develop a common program, but our members have various underlying philosophies and views of the world. Solidarity within the party comes from the ability of those with divergent views on some issues to engage in a collective struggle towards social revolution. We strive to develop feminist practice within the party.

Cultural Freedom

Art is an integral part of daily life. It should not be treated as just a commodity. Socialists work to create opportunities for participation in art and cultural activities. We work for the restoration and preservation of the history and culture of working people, women, and oppressed minorities.

The Personal as Political

Living under domination and struggling against it exact a personal toll. Socialists regard the distortion of personal life and interpersonal relations under capitalism as a political matter. Socialism must ultimately improve life; this cannot be accomplished by demanding that personal lives be sacrificed for the movement. We cherish the right of personal privacy and the enrichment of culture through diversity.

Electoral Action

Socialists participate in the electoral process to present socialist alternatives. The Socialist Party does not divorce electoral politics from other strategies for basic change. While a minority, we fight for progressive changes compatible with a socialist future. When a majority we will rapidly introduce those changes, which constitute socialism, with priority to the elimination of the power of big business through public ownership and workers' control.
By participating in local government, socialists can support movements of working people and make improvements that illustrate the potential of public ownership. We advocate electoral action independent of the capitalist-controlled two-party system.

Democratic Revolution From Below

No oppressed group has ever been liberated except by its own organized efforts to overthrow its oppressors. A society based on radical democracy, with power exercised through people's organizations, requires a socialist transformation from below. People's organizations cannot be created by legislation, nor can they spring into being only on the eve of a revolution.
They can grow only in the course of popular struggles, especially those of women, labor, and minority groups. The Socialist Party works to build these organizations democratically.
The process of struggle profoundly shapes the ends achieved. Our tactics in the struggle for radical democratic change reflect our ultimate goal of a society founded on principles of egalitarian, non-exploitative and non-violent relations among all people and between all peoples.
To be free we must create new patterns for our lives and live in new ways in the midst of a society that does not understand and is often hostile to new, better modes of life. Our aim is the creation of a new social order, a society in which the commanding value is the infinite preciousness of every woman, man and child.

[joe bloe]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

CBJ7, you may be right. Obama may not be a socialist. He is more likely a fascist. Happy now?

Mussolini was a socialist for most of his life. He sort of morphed into a fascist. Maybe Obama is a little of both. I've always referred to Obama as a socialist/Marxist. Maybe I'll start calling him a socialist/fascist.

[CJ7]

Corporate bailouts. “Too big to fail policies” Banks, A health insurance plan to benefit Big Insurance and Big Phrma, bailing out mis-managed car companies….


if Obie is a socialist the core complaints from the right never happened ...

[Whirlaway]

Before the Marxist In Chief can build his utopian wet dream; he has to dismantle the American dream....what do you think he has been doing the past four years ?

[CuteOldGuy]

Did anyone view the video? Any of you libs and Obamatons?

[CJ7]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

Did anyone view the video? Any of you libs and Obamatons?

I didnt watch it because I dont care but I know its parody

[CuteOldGuy]

You didn't watch it because you already know what's in it, even though you didn't watch, or read a transcript. So you have absolutely NO IDEA what is in it, but you are sure you know what is in it.

Gotta take that seminar on comprehension, soon. You're getting worse.

[CJ7]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

You didn't watch it because you already know what's in it, even though you didn't watch, or read a transcript. So you have absolutely NO IDEA what is in it, but you are sure you know what is in it.

Gotta take that seminar on comprehension, soon. You're getting worse.

nope I dont care and I see it as parody anyway

comprehend that

[i'va biggen]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

Before the Marxist In Chief can build his utopian wet dream; he has to dismantle the American dream....what do you think he has been doing the past four years ?

By the way just what is the American dream???

[CuteOldGuy]

Originally Posted by CJ7

nope I dont care and I see it as parody anyway

comprehend that

Then you must have read the transcript, right? What did you think of that?