Democracy, Are We Not?

[Yssup Rider]

Thats why they went extinct!

You guys deify the founders who, again, shat in outhouses and owned slaves.

You worship their musings, which btw might have been written by drunks or druggies, as If they are absolute truth in today's world.

My question is where along the line did the United Stated begin to modify and reject the sanctity of the "intent of the Founders"?

My second question is why is that a bad thing?

[CuteOldGuy]

Why don't you respond to my inquiry first, Assup. Explain how those quotes are no longer applicable to today. Should be easy for you.

[bojulay]

Have to know the difference between Democracy and a Republic.

With a Republic even if a Hitler was elected by a majority vote,
in theory he could not do away with or Constitution. It would
be an act of war against our country for him to try and do so.

In my thought Democracy is only a process for electing officials
and not some form of Government.

Democracy's greatest flaw is the ignorance of the general populace.

[gary5912]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

why not quote the Bible, Whiny? or the Code of Hammurabi?

what's your point? That you've got a year's subscription to Bartletts book of quotes?

How about a great quote about democracy, freedom and the fucking constitution by someone post, lets see, 1900?

"there once was a man from Nantucket"

Tell me how that isn't relevant today, Whiny bitch?

what is it with you and this comment,( the fucking constitution ) is there something in it that you can't live by are you that anti-American DIPSHIT

[EXTXOILMAN]

[QUOTE=bojulay;1052690126]Have to know the difference between Democracy and a Republic.

With a Republic even if a Hitler was elected by a majority vote,
in theory he could not do away with or Constitution. It would
be an act of war against our country for him to try and do so.

In my thought Democracy is only a process for electing officials
and not some form of Government.

Democracy's greatest flaw is the ignorance of the general populace.[/QUOTE]

We're in deep shit...

[satexasguy]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

why not quote the Bible, Whiny? or the Code of Hammurabi?

what's your point? That you've got a year's subscription to Bartletts book of quotes?

How about a great quote about democracy, freedom and the fucking constitution by someone post, lets see, 1900?

"there once was a man from Nantucket"

Tell me how that isn't relevant today, Whiny bitch?

When are you and your Obama ball sucking liberal friends going to stop referring to Bush? After all, he's in the past too.

[Guest032516]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

How about a great quote about democracy, freedom and the fucking constitution by someone post, lets see, 1900?

No problem:
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“The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles.” ― Jeff Cooper, Art of the Rifle

“Foolish liberals who are trying to read the Second Amendment out of the Constitution by claiming it's not an individual right or that it's too much of a public safety hazard, don't see the danger in the big picture. They're courting disaster by encouraging others to use the same means to eliminate portions of the Constitution they don't like.” ― Alan M. Dershowitz

[I]“n my own case at least I feel my professional need for freedom of speech and expression prejudices me toward a government whose constitution guarantees it.”
― John Updike

“Constitutional democracy, you see, is no romantic notion. It's our defense against ourselves, the one foe who might defeat us.”
― Bill Moyers

“in a constitutionally ordered state, where laws are derived from broad principles of right and wrong and where those principles are enshrined and protected by agreed upon procedures and practices, it can never be in the long-term interest of the state or its citizens to flout those procedures at home or associate too closely overseas with the enemies of your founding ideals.”
― Tony Judt, Reappraisals: Reflections on the Forgotten Twentieth Century

“The greatest threat to our Constitution is our own ignorance of it.”
― Jacob F. Roecker

“The reason the founders chafed at the idea of an American standing army and vested the power of war making in the cumbersome legislature was not to disadvantage us against future enemies, but to disincline us toward war as a general matter... With citizen-soldiers, with the certainty of a vigorous political debate over the use of a military subject to politicians' control, the idea was for us to feel it- uncomfortably- every second we were at war. But after a generation or two of shedding the deliberate political encumbrances to war that they left us... war making has become almost an autonomous function of the American state. It never stops.”
― Rachel Maddow, Drift: The Unmooring of American Military Power

“Between George W. Bush and Barack Obama, the US Constitution is no longer worth the paper it's written on.”
― Michel Templet

“Revealingly, the central function of the Constitution as law--the supreme law--was to impose limitations not on the behavior of ordinary citizens but on the federal government. The government, and those who ran it, were not placed outside the law, but expressly targeted by it. Indeed, the Bill of Rights is little more than a description of the lines that the most powerful political officials are barred from crossing, even if they have the power to do so and even when the majority of citizens might wish them to do so.”
― Glenn Greenwald, With Liberty and Justice for Some: How the Law Is Used to Destroy Equality and Protect the Powerful

...and last, but not least, Jon Stewart:“Why did the Articles [of Confederation] fail so completely? Most historians believe the founding fathers spent a great deal of their first constitutional convention drafting the delaration of independence and only realized on July 3rd the Articles were also due.”
― Jon Stewart, America (The Book): A Citizen's Guide to Democracy Inaction

[JD Barleycorn]

If those are the words of true liberals what does that make the new left? Socialists? Progressives? Communists? Fascists?

[CuteOldGuy]

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by gary5912

what is it with you and this comment,( the fucking constitution ) is there something in it that you can't live by are you that anti-American DIPSHIT

I live very well by the law of the fucking constitution. I just don't believe it's perfect and have intellectual contempt for hypocritical zealots who do. If you will, the fucking constitution gives me the fucking right to call it that. Jerk off on it all you like, but to me, it's simply the law, subject to amendment and revision. You must be one of them buggers what thinks it was handed down from Mount Sinai...

It's like the Bible. Only open to interpretation (snick).

I love America. I served America during war time. I pay my taxes. I follow the laws of the fucking constitution. My freedom to question and disagree with it all is guaranteed by the same fucking document you now are jerking off on.

I recommend ESL classes... Dipshit.

[CuteOldGuy]

Assup, you continue to evade my request. What about the above quotes is it that makes them inapplicable to today? I know you think they don't apply to today's society. I just want to know why, but you refuse to say. Why is that?

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

The First Amendment gives us the right to say your idea of what the moldy oldies envisioned for this country in 1790 is BULLSHIT today.

[CuteOldGuy]

Yes, Assup, it certainly does. I'm just asking you WHY you think it is bullshit. Why is what our Founders said about the Constitution, and other matters, bullshit in today's society? Why won't you explain?

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

Assup, you continue to evade my request. What about the above quotes is it that makes them inapplicable to today? I know you think they don't apply to today's society. I just want to know why, but you refuse to say. Why is that?

No REASON at all Whiny. Not refusing. Just dont give a shit. Just to piss you off. After all, I'm on your witness stand, right? I take the Fifth fucking Amendment to the fucking constitution.

I did like ExNYers list of relevant quotes since the invention of toilets.

Actually, I find your Whitman Sampler of Bartlett's quotes tedious and annoying. Seems like there's a big black hole in American History between your quoting one of the founding Framers and the "retired officer" who warns of impending genocide on the people of America to be carried it by DHS.

If the Framing Flounders knew their bullshit would be constantly plagiarized by you... They'd still be dead slave owners who lived 250 years ago, fathered illegitimate children and shat in wooden outhouses.

Frankly, I'd like to see you post YOUR own opinion once in a while rather than obsessively cutting and pasting. Are you just trying to convince us that you're NOT a Republican stooge?

Why can't you do that?

ANSWER ME!!!

[CuteOldGuy]

Why do you demand I answer you, when you refuse to answer me? I know why, you've painted yourself into a corner and can't get out. You know full well the quotes are particularly relevant for today, but you are such an ignorant, pompous blowhard, who once again spoke without thinking, are trying to scream and make stupid comments to get yourself out. It ain't working, Dipshit of the Year.

Caught in a corner, for real.