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Old 10-09-2023, 08:27 PM   #16
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how thr russians treat them?

i know the ainu were considered an embarrassement by the japanese
The Russians: near genocide.

The Japanese: At least as bad as indigenous peoples residing in what became the USA. . . .maybe worse depending on how you look at it.
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Anthropology is very interesting.
I used the term asiatic very generically. But it fits for the pacific region and the different waves of migration.
You may enjoy "Guns, Germs and Steel" b Jarad Dimond.
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Old 10-09-2023, 08:31 PM   #18
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You may enjoy "Guns, Germs and Steel" b Jarad Dimond.
Yes couple of times.
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Old 10-09-2023, 09:44 PM   #19
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There were different tribes with different languages and customs. I am sure they came from different places. Collectively they were called Indians.
sure, but that was a collective mistake!

prolly out of laziness and racism.

Majority of the indigenous North Americans came from siberia by way of the bering strait land bridge when the water level was lower.

clovid culture was said to be a european tribe from France based on the arrow tips found but theres alot of disagreement on this claim. the proponents of the euro tribe said they traveled by boat along the ice cap hunting seals & fish in the North Atlantic; possibly even walked/camped on glacial ice which was pretty thick at that time.

central america and south america, those came from polynesians of southeast asia. they went by boat it appears.
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Old 10-09-2023, 11:54 PM   #20
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There were different tribes with different languages and customs. I am sure they came from different places. Collectively they were called Indians.
yep, but my guess is that those macho male europeans didnt ask for directions and thought they had landed in India. :^}
seriously, that's why they called them Indians generically.
and prolly cos they were too lazy to remember the hundreds of names of the various tribes living on the continent. some cultures/people were very advanced and some less so. check out some of the various ruins all across the entire americas.

current research and age dating shows that there were people living in what is now southern new mexico over 20,000 years ago! nova or similar science program had an episode about a year ago about some footprints left by some of those people. current research was of a different age dating analysis that showed further evidence to support the original age estimate.
one idea was that instead of coming over the ice mass that was around back then, perhaps those people sailed down the western coast past the ice and then moved eastwards.

lots of facial/body commonalities between current asian peoples and people in north, central, and south america.
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so, happy *everybody* day!!!
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We took it fair and square. If they could have done the same they would have. Anyone that doesn't think that doesn't understand history.

When the current invasion over the southern border is done, they'll rename whatever comes naxt as they choose.
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Yeah the American Indians. This day is in remembrance of how European Settlers beat the shit out of them,stole their land and put them on reservations. I am sure that's the part members of the remaining tribes won't forget.
It was rude of the Europeans to interrupt the Indigenous Peoples waring against and enslaving each other.
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The indigenous peoples of the Pacific North West, the ara we now call Puget Sound, used to make long sea voyages in large canoes . . . .to capture and enslave the indigenous peoples of Southern California and Northern Mexico.

This behavior was documented by both American and British authorities in post contact times in the 18th and 19th centuries.
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Let’s finally recognize the slavery, conquest, and genocide of Native Americans by Native Americans
by Christopher Tremoglie, Commentary Writer | October 09, 2023 03:50 PM

Pre-Columbian Native American culture on the American continents was one of war, massacres, genocide, and slavery. It doesn’t make Native Americans unique in any way but rather, just like every other culture, society, and civilization that has existed in history.

However, these facts are typically excluded from today’s public education system. Instead, a radical left-wing revision of history is taught that portrayed Native Americans living in peaceful and docile societies that fell victim to the greed and brutality of European invaders. It is and always has been a fictitious historical narrative.

History did not begin in 1492. The truth is Native American tribes were brutally killing each other in the Western Hemisphere for centuries before the first European settlers ever appeared. Left-wing scholars from the Howard Zinn school of thought have valiantly tried to hide these facts; nevertheless, they’re true.

Native American tribes were empire builders no different than the ancient Romans, Greeks, and Germanic tribes of Europe. Indigenous people were no better than Genghis Khan and the Golden Horde of the Mongol Empire. The tribes lusted to conquer, enslave, and pillage for power, resources, and land, just as the Ashanti, Mali, Ghana, and Egyptian empires of Africa.

Consider the cruelty of the Aztecs. For decades, the Aztecs brutally attacked neighboring tribes and built a vast empire in what is now central Mexico. They raped women, enslaved children, and participated in human sacrifice and capital punishment. Additionally, studies have shown that the Aztecs punished homosexuality with death and routinely exploited and murdered women.

Noted scholar and anthropologist Lawrence Keeley detailed the culture of Native Americans in War Before Civilization: The Myth of the Peaceful Savage. Keeley claimed that “the dogs of war were seldom on a leash” regarding Native American tribal interaction. Moreover, Keeley highlights evidence of genocidal acts by other Native Americans in pre-Columbian America. Keeley also highlighted the fact that indigenous warfare was “more deadly, more frequent, and more ruthless than modern war.”

https://twitter.com/sapinker/status/...tive-americans

The Most Violent Era In America Was Before Europeans Arrived http://t.co/7g81Xg4kXN via @science2_0
— Steven Pinker (@sapinker) August 5, 2014
Harvard scholar Steven Pinker’s research also revealed a violent and savage culture among Native Americans. Pinker found that indigenous societies were part of “the most violent era” and that their cultures were “far more violent than our own.” Additionally, archaeologist Tim Kohler studied the Mesa Verde and Pueblo American Indians and discovered that nearly “90 percent of human remains from that period had trauma from blows to either their heads or parts of their arms.”

Furthermore, the savagery of Native American culture was also confirmed by historian Bernard Bailyn. His research revealed that indigenous tribes were “always involved in warfare” and that they lived in a “not a terribly peaceful world.”

Also, plenty of North American tribes had the blood of conquest and genocide on their hands. The Chippewa conquered the Sioux and exiled them from the woodlands of what is now Minnesota. Later, after regrouping, the Sioux pillaged and massacred the Omaha, Pawnee, and Kiowa. Other American tribes did similar empire-building. It was an ever-changing tapestry of bloody savagery that existed long before the white man came. Yet, as mentioned above, these facts are rarely taught in schools or discussed among experts and socio-cultural left-wing activists.

Native American tribes wanted to conquer until they were conquered. Let’s use Indigenous Peoples Day to educate, not indoctrinate. It’s time to teach everyone the history of Native Americans, not just the edited, revised, and agenda-driven version that left-wing political activists favor.
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The dominant Astec culture of pre-contact Mexico was fueled by constant warfare and brutal conquest of other surrounding indigenous peoples and their ritual exsiccation for religious sacrifices.
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For centuries, the indigenous peoples of the Northern and western Mediterranean coasts were frequent targets of slaving raiders coming from the expansionist, conquering cultures of the Eastern and Southern Mediterranean, that originated in the deserts of the Middle East.

Thousands of Europeans were enslaved to row out their lives chained to a gally ore. There were open, public, slave markets in the major cities of Tangiers, Algeris, Alexandria, Cairo and what used to be Constantinople before it was renamed Istanbul by the conquering Califs.

thousands of what are now characterized as people of white Europea heritage were enslaved by peoples who now often self-identify as "people of color".

Prior to 1800, slavery was widely accepted as a "normal" sate of humanity. Today the western cultures universally eschew the concept and institution of slavery, while it is still a significant part of peoples who self-identify as non-western, non-white cultures.
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The word Slave comes from the word Slav... As in Slavic where the Original peoples that were forced into bondage came from.
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The word Slave comes from the word Slav... As in Slavic where the Original peoples that were forced into bondage came from.
The derivation of the word is correct, but slavery as a practice and recognized institution predates the coinage of that word by thousands of years I think.
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The derivation of the word is correct, but slavery as a practice and recognized institution predates the coinage of that word by thousands of years I think.
That is correct. Before that they called them "Hey You!"
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