Two EROTIC, WONDERFUL, EXCITING new things I tried-and YOU should too!!

[runswithscissors]

Thank you, Heather,I think I got my answer in your last paragraph... and again, I usually enjoy calm, rational co-ed discussions, but evidently that will not happen here. Best of luck to you, Heather......

[Sweet Heather]

[quote=BritneyBangs;367758]Since this seems to be directed at me here is my response:

um hum...sratching my head? I said that BEFORE I was a provider I perceived cof as degrading.But not now. Hmmmm.

That was BEFORE I had the wonder experience of cof with a great gentleman that did cof. My experience with him was endearing and erotic to ME.And ass to mouth is "edearing " and "erotic" to me. Will you try these things too? If not, why not???????????

Will I do that with every gentleman? Probably not. Will I make it part of my routine gfe? Probably not,WELL WHY THE FUCK NOT? YOU BROUGHT IT UP, GENTS CHIMED IN THAT THEY LOVE IT, SO WHY NOT INCLUDE IT IN YOUR EVERY SESION..WITH EVERYONE?? IS THIS AN AD??

but if I did what business is it of anyones to judge or suggest I charge more? Oh right! I will offer ass to mouth and gape that ass sessions for $100 full hour. Will the Austin ladies step up and match this?

I would NOT do anything with ANYONE I felt was humiliating or degrading.Oh, I see. Is ass
to mouth degrading? ??If so, why?(Dont you dare judge me!!)

I do not set hard limits for gfe and all that gfe entails.I agree. To me, GFE includes ass to mouth, slapping of face, COF...are you and I agreed?

After all, it is very subjective.Sooo true. Let's let the porn addicted gents be the judge.

To me, gfe means many things and it shouldn't be limited to certain acts or categorized. THEN WHY WHY WHY THE FUCK CALL IT "GFE"????????????????????????? ???????????????

Money does not motive me to do certain actsOh My God. Really???You're in this for the "fun"??I'm going to be sick..,

and certainly acts I feel would be degrading Oh really? So "some" acts you feel are degrading" ?
And what would those acts be...donkey action? And who are YOU to judge???????????????????.

What motivates me is what I like. I simply wanted to know what the appeal was all about from the hobbyist perspective. It's kind of like asking a man what it feels like to be inside of a woman. It was sheer curiosity, nothing more nothing less.Oh pleeeeeeeeeze. it's nothing but an ad. And you know this!!!

I don't think that makes me naive nor will it motivate me to do cof for everyone just because guys like it.Well then WHY would you do it??????

I do what I damn well want to and haven't had many complaints! I do not understand your anger and sarcasm.I get a little pissed off at providers that urge hobbyists to do things that are not shall we say respectful..THINGS THAT PROVIDERS COMPLAIN ABOUT IN BACK CHANNELS BUT SUPPORT IN OPEN FORUMS. RIGHT????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????? ??????????????? I guess I don't understand because It's not in me to treat another provider with such disrespect.Oh, just say you do things that others don't do and are reviewed as "un-cooperitive" because THEY won't do things that are widely considered as "disgusting".[/quote]

[Takeshi Miike]

OMG, really? I've had girls outside the hobby request so much crazy shit. Guys are just as weird and kinky as you ladies. I've had girls ask for biting till they bleed, daddy/baby girl role play, COF. I've had girls ask me to pull out of their pussy and cum in their ass, but "just the tip", bondage, rape roll play, choking. I'll admit, I acquiesced to most requests. I've had many requests for Greek. Now, ATM and Gaping, I'm not really there. I've never had a request for golden showers, but a buddy of mine did have a girl request that he piss on her clit. My only limits that I tell girls I have is that no severe BDSM or excrement of any sort which may explain the lack of girls asking for pissing. As it is, people are kinky. You girls just happen to be in a really good place to experience it given the number of people you're intimate with and how freely people will express their desires if their paying for it.

[Guest061511-2]

So you agree that this disrespectfulness, sarcasm, and outright attack was directed at me? I think you have said enough, unless there is more? Whatever your issue is, I am sorry for you. Seriously, I am at a loss for words that a provider would treat another provider this way over what? What was your issue/s again?

[AidanRedd]

For the record, the girl that told me how hard she came when a guy pissed inside her isn't and never has been a provider.

Keep an open mind.

And girls that do truly enjoy greek, don't charge extra for it.

Heather, this thread has been a "self alert" for you sweetie.

[Guest092810]

Heather, you keep throwing the word judgmental around over and over. I'm not reading any judgements being made in these posts. Just curious confusion as to what your motivation was to post such a sarcastic, negative, and blatantly rude thread.

I find your whole attitude to be childish. Good luck with that...

[Guest052711]

What's this really about? Are we talking about how COF or any other sensual act is inherently degrading, disrespectful, "bad", or any other negative term? Or do you really mean that anything that could be used with negative intent, without permission, is bad?

Is asking for COF from a provider who is self professed GFE really that bad? A lot of providers don't mind / enjoy that. For a provider who was only occasionally okay with it to claim PSE or advertise it would be unfair and just as much of a misrepresentation as well.

Posted by you in last thread: "I can see allowing your SO, who you are madly in love with, do things out of the ordinary since he is your SO and you love him. But a Fred Flintstone looking stranger that gives you money? That you don't HAVE to do? And you would stil make money if you didn't?"

Isn't the point of being GFE that you make that guy feel as if he is the one you're in love with and would allow things out of the ordinary with? In my opinion, GFE is much more about the attitude than the actual services. A provider who offers DFK and DATY but acts completely disinterested isn't GFE in my eyes and I'd be disappointed if that's what I got.

Plus, my boundaries stay the same no matter what. I don't care if he's my SO or client. What turns me on and what I feel comfortable allowing to turn other people on doesn't change.

I think it's disrespectful of you to lump hobbyists into a "fred flintstone looking" bunch. Some of them are quite attractive. Some of them aren't. Just as you've probably had SO's that ranged in attractiveness.

Everyone should have and maintain their boundaries. However, I think that we should all respect that other people's lines vary. I know hobbyists occasionally break providers lines on purpose, simply because they do not care. That wasn't the case with Brittney though. She wanted it. Please allow her to have her desires fulfilled just as much as you want your boundaries maintained. Sex is miserable if either are missing.

Btw. The way Brittney handled it probably allowed GFE providers to not allow it more than any other way she could have. If 2/3 of all GFE providers listed it on their services then the 1/3 that wouldn't would stand out. This way, she makes it appear that she and the other providers who commented positively are the anomaly. Therefore, guys that want it know to visit her and guys that don't continue to believe that it isn't something that GFE providers "should" do. Meant as an ad? I don't think so. However, even if it was, it's probably better for you (as a provider that doesn't like it) for her to do it that way.

Be careful in your attempts to rally against hobbyists that break the rules that you don't screw with the expectations of hobbyists/providers in general.

Out of curiousity, why do you think asking (for anything unusual) is so bad? Isn't that the preferred way to handle a request, rather than just acting on it? Personally, I've never had COF (no one has asked, I only recently had my first come on body), but if someone did it without asking I'd be livid, unbelievably livid. I'm not sure what I'd say if they asked, it would depend on what I felt their motives were / if I found it erotic at the time, but I can't imagine being angry for it.

If what you meant was that expecting it to be okay, not asking, or meaning it as degrading was bad, then you should have said that and should correct yourself now. If it's not what you meant then it's not necessarily appropriate to voice that. These hobby forums are the only place a lot of people feel comfortable discussing alternative sexual desires ("another realm" and hobbying in general), it's not right of you to strip them of that safety from attack. This is meant as a safe place.

[sixxbach]

who cares if she throws out judgemental words? who the hell would pay her to have sex????

[sixxbach]

Originally Posted by MaddietheCoed

I think it's disrespectful of you to lump hobbyists into a "fred flintstone looking" bunch. Some of them are quite attractive. Some of them aren't.

come on maddie........... lie to us.......... we are all attractive in our own way lol tsk tsk

[AidanRedd]

To a pro, it shouldn't matter what they look like.

[Guest061511-2]

Maybe I should have clarified that I did know in advance and I was in agreement and I enjoyed the hell out of myself in that particular session. I think it's clear that I am ymmv on that particular activity and some others, so I am not sure where "the ad" is? Not that I should have to explain myself.

[Guest052711]

Sixx, I'm an honest person. Sorry. Now, everyone has redeeming qualities. And sexual attraction (especially for women) doesn't exclusively come from looks. I've never had a client I wasn't sexually attracted to. That doesn't mean they all looked like Brad Pitt. Plus, you were attractive, so don't even be whining about it.

You're absolutely right. It shouldn't matter. Though I think that's true of all people. Not specifically because you are a professional or not. Regardless of shoulds. It matters to a lot of providers. I only mentioned it because I found it offensive since I have been attracted to a lot of my clients. It DEFINITELY shouldn't affect services rendered though no matter what.

On a funnier note, can you imagine a provider having something like that on her website? Separate pricing columns depending on looks, penis size, number of times you can make me come, etc. I'd like to see how big the discount would be for something like that. (I actually have gotten a few interested men who tried to convince me to lower my price because "I should want to have sex with them anyways" the arrogance turned me away more than any "ugly" guy could have).

[Guest052711]

I never got the impression it was an ad.

I only meant that a coed forum was the best venue for the conversation. Even for her it was best that you put it there.

Sixx: I don't pay for sex on here (yet), but I wouldn't want some hobbyist trashing thing I liked bcd. Making or attempting to make people feel dirty and disrespected for things they enjoy sexually is rude, in and out of the hobby.

[Rand Al'Thor]

Clearly, the OP does not have much to contribute in terms of coherent discussion.

Let's stop feeding this troll.

[txtraveler07]

I like COF occasionally. I think it's sexy. I don't really care what Heather's opinion on the subject is, I only care about the opinion of the person I'm with at the time. If she's cool with it, I might do it. If not, I won't. Simple. No need to get up in arms. Honestly, it seems like she's contrived a straw man argument (that all providers should allow COF because... it fits your argument?), however, I don't recall anyone really voicing that opinion. But you go ahead and tilt at those glazed windmills if it makes you feel better. Just don't accidentally get anything in your eye.