Wow, this definitely did turn into a shit show of a thread! LOL.
I think both sides have a point. I think some guys posting or thinking what they think are total asses (not naming names, but I do believe that). At the same time I also think certain girls are expecting a little much or not being totally realistic (and no, I do not necessarily mean girls in this thread - just in general - to be clear).
I understand a girl wanting the "donation" up front. I do. It makes her feel safe before she gives up her body to a "stranger". I totally 100% get that aspect.
On the same token I completely respect the fact that men may not want to give the donation beforehand b/c they are afraid of what might happen (#1 LE sting, even with a known girl - it can happen - it *has* happened #2 get totally taken for $200-$300 b/c reviews say gushing things about the girl but the problem is this particular guy is just one of the few that this girl can't/doesn't "click" with and so he gets a horrible experience).
My personal take on this is that girls asking for money up front is not a very GFE friendly encounter. I do believe it's dangerous for both the girl and the man. It's simply too "businessy". However, I genuinely do respect that some girls feel very unsafe with that situation. And, again, on the flip side my gut feeling and general attitude about
*that* is that girls doing that are likely seeing more men than they should. That is not to offend anyone and not about anyone in this thread; it's just a general observation.
The girls who see men they know or that they have screened heavily, spoken to heavily online, PM's, flirted with, exchanged pics or texts (possibly), maybe for days or even weeks before finally setting a meeting have much less chance of this happening. Neither party would engage in such behavior just to "dupe" the other. It's a win/win almost certainly in those cases.
This is why I encourage all women to heavily interact with their potential "partners/clients". Don't just see *anyone*.
This should not be an illegal trade or line of "work". It shouldn't. The main reason it is b/c unfortunately not everyone is a UTRHottie, Kelly512, KBF, Ariel, Ambree Austin, Ivana Fucx, Kate Kennedy, Seductive Selina, Gigilicous, and many others which I don't have room or memory to list (these are just what popped into my head right away). There are many others over the years I have known that were really good too that I simply don't recall the handle name. Please do not get upset if your name is not in the list. I couldn't list them all. Nor could I remember certain ones. That was just a small sample.
Many of them are girls that are very professional, some with actual successful outside careers. I've even known a few years ago that were
*HIGHLY* successful in their professional private career/business life but they just loved sex and why not make an extra $200-$800 a day to spend 1-4 hrs with a single regular or two, or the odd anonymous one here and there? Many own or rent a nice home, are/were relatively or very low volume (typically a smaller(ish) set of "regulars"). And for them this really was just a,
"Hey I can get some extra cash to stash and I like to fuck so why not?".
I 100% would do that shit in a heartbeat if I were a girl.
BUT like I've said elsewhere I would NOT just see *anyone*. No. That would be the beauty of such a "business" for me. It would be like me as the male version getting to go to a nightclub or library or park, for example, and "pick out" the hottest girls I liked, the ones which interested me personally, intellectually, physically, and then if I so chose they would entertain me and pay *ME* for my time and body. They pay with cash. I pay with my body and time. But it would be on my terms and I would be highly selective.
The problem lies in the fact that many girls are quite high volume and they see lots and lots of men. Not all men are nice. And these girls don't have other careers or businesses. Many live out of hotel rooms and various other things. They may be on drugs. Not everyone. I'm just saying this is common. Sex work is still very taboo b/c there is in fact a large percentage of people who do this who really don't want to be doing it, they wouldn't "choose" it, or are doing it only b/c without it they would be on food stamps or worse. There does still exist an actual seedy underbelly of the prostitution world. There do still exist those stereotypical "TV pimps" that beat their "bitches" and take all their money. There do still exist streetwalkers who have no choice. There do still exist sex trafficked women. That is the sad side of sex work. *That* is largely why it's still illegal.
Please understand that I am not saying this to offend anyone. I truly mean that. I'm simply highlighting a sad fact of the matter for many girls in this hobby culture or any type of SW. I've been around and seen a lot of things. I've seen a lot of sad things. I've seen a lot of neat cool things with respect to this "hobby". We
*ALL* pay in all relationships or transactions or endeavors in life with some form of payment; whether it's emotions, money, time, giving ourselves, consoling, confiding, partnering in business, sharing, etc. I've also been a
regular 'ol hobbyist that simply pays a
basic donation for a girls time and "services". A safe, clean, and decent hobbyist who does not push or disrespect a woman's boundaries. E-v-e-r. No matter if it was paid or unpaid. You don't do that.
So, to make a long story short(er) here is how I feel about this. I can't please both sides and I won't try. Some women will not like what I am about to say. I am sorry. Some men will not like what I am about to say. I am sorry. This is just how I see it. And I've been around a lot.
#1 My belief is that a woman who goes into this work should really only do it if she truly enjoys the idea of anonymous sex and wants to make extra money. You should not do this to make your *entire* living. The caveat is unless maybe you are just a "manager". I like that word much better than either the female or male alternatives. And I feel if you go that route it is your duty to make sure those women are protected, safe, that they are not getting into drugs, and they that a have a plan for their future. It's not a sustainable thing and it should only be to put extra money in a bank somewhere or buy your kids a nicer life while you can do it.
#2 A woman is free to have her policy and do as she wishes just as a man is free to not agree to it to and to not see her. If the woman is seeing a number of men, very, very anonymous men, whom she doesn't know at all, has light screening, or no relationship at all, etc... and she wants the "donation" left on a dresser then fine. She should make this well known ahead of time in some form or another. It's risky but if she wishes to do that then so be it. Take it for what it's worth. You either see her or you don't.
My personal opinion is that you are *both* taking a risk in that situation though. I personally prefer not to have this situation and it's why I highly promote not just more simple screening, but more interaction, more discretion in who you sleep with. Then you do not have wonder and worry about being "ripped off" by some A-hole that wants to treat you like dirt or less than human.
#3 Guys don't be dickheads. Don't steal from a girl. Don't treat her like less than a human b/c she has sex with you for money. After all you are there with her doing it too. So what does that say about you? Do not push a woman's boundaries. This goes for all aspects of life. It should be even more crystal clear with a "stranger". You really are being a vile person if you think you can treat a girl badly simply b/c she is a "hooker". Yea, she is. And *you* are a "John". She is no less or more than you. Your job as a man should be to make her feel safe. You are the more dominant one in the situation. Physically much more dominant. You could easily do anything you wanted. A girl who doesn't know you from Adam is nervous. You need to make her not nervous. The more you do to make that happen the better time you will have. The more she will relax and the better chance you have of having a nice time with her. And she will love spending time with you again. She will want to see you again b/c not only are you a gentleman, clean, nice, the sex may be very nice, hell it may be fantastic, but you also make her feel safe and you treat her like a person. This goes a long, long way.
In the end I don't think girls, if they are doing their homework correctly, and being selective, will need to worry about being ripped off. There are some that will argue,
"Oh it doesn't matter if you pay after the deed is done. It's still prostitution. So I'm gonna be safe and just ask for it up front b/c either way I'm screwed in that regard.". Not exactly. Yes, technically speaking it's a form of prostituting. Technically.
However, there are a couple of issues that would not hold up in a court of law and therefore no LE agency would ever engage in attempting a bust. No DA or prosecutor would take the case. Not only that, there are VERY VERY few if any LE officers that would actually go so far as to perform the acts and then try to arrest for "prostitution" due to money left on a nightstand. It's virtually nil. That's the stuff you see in movies where a huge undercover DEA agent trying to bust a billion dollar drug cartel gets hooked on cocaine or heroin b/c is *deep* undercover. Much of that doesn't even exist in real life either.
The first major issue is that if you never asked for any money it's not prostitution. How could they prove it. There is no possible way they can prove you engaged in prostitution in that scenario. You did not ask the man and he did not ask you. Not a single word was uttered about it and no money exchanged hands before any act of sex (therefore no prostitution occurred). He simply left some money afterward. This is no different than a guy who picks up a girl at a club and leaves money b/c he felt like it and she needed money for an hour long ride, he owes her for drinks, for dinner, b/c he bumped into her car (this is how they met - and he wants to pay for the damages), a bet he lost, a game they played, a dress he wants to buy her for their date tomorrow night at the same club or dinner party, etc, etc, etc. That's why this would not hold up in court. Nowhere did anyone ask for or proposition anyone for a sex act in exchange for money.
Secondly no officer of the law would take it that far. They would not have sex. Not for a simple sting like that which would get out instantly and law officers themselves are technically speaking a type of "hooker" (in essence - that's why about all you might see in a movie is a female cop as a streetwalker might flash her boobs but even that is something they don't like to do - it just isn't gonna happen).
I guarantee you all. On both sides. If you don't ask at any point, and money is just inconspicuously left afterward, the chances of either of you EVER going to jail or getting in any kind of trouble are virtually 100% NEVER. However, again, I get it that girls do not always feel comfortable with this situation. As a girl you make the decision on what you want to do. I would personally advise you against it. I would. But if you do choose that form of "payment" upfront, yes, the gentleman should be a gentleman and honor the fact that you made that known up front or simply not see you in the first place.
Be safe everyone. And be nice to the girls. Girls be nice to the guys. The vast majority are just unhappy with their marriages, or they are unfulfilled in some way but still love their wives (sex and love are not equal), or maybe they just needed some affection, and most of them really do just want the touch of a woman and her affections.
If you go into it with that attitude I also guarantee you, just like the guys, you will come out on the other side a happier person! 
Sincerely,
-mg
