Obama Wanted to Apologizes to Japan for the Atomic Bomb!

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by Doove

As an American, i find that comment to be embarrassing.

Many here are embarrassed that you call yourself an American.

Originally Posted by Doove

Yup, and we could have avoided 9/11 by everyone becoming Muslims and instituting Sharia Law.

Funny, but i seem to remember being told that what made 9/11 evil, as opposed to the collateral damage of killing civilians in Iraq was that Bin Laden targeted civilians.

I guess it's different when we do it.

There were tangible, but minor, military targets in both Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Would you be so kind as to provide info on any military targets at the WTC?

[CuteOldGuy]

Doove, LOL! Your logic, and I use the term loosely, is so disjointed. How you make these connections is beyond me. This is fun!

[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by Doove

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jackie S
But no American Citizen, much less the President, should ever bow to anybody, period.

As an American, i find that comment to be embarrassing.

why do you find his bow comment embarrassing?

[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by Doove

Quote:
Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy
Sorry, Japan, you could have avoided Hiroshima and Nagasaki by surrendering.


Yup, and we could have avoided 9/11 by everyone becoming Muslims and instituting Sharia Law.

Funny, but i seem to remember being told that what made 9/11 evil, as opposed to the collateral damage of killing civilians in Iraq was that Bin Laden targeted civilians.

I guess it's different when we do it.

why are you jumping into Iraq and 9/11 incident? what's your point?

[Doove]

Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

why argue the semantics later? why not now? just don't feel like doing it?

Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

why do you find his bow comment embarrassing?

Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

why are you jumping into Iraq and 9/11 incident? what's your point?

What is this? 20 questions?

I find the comment embarrassing because it suggests that simply because we are American, we must be superior to anyone and everyone else in the entire world. Get over yourselves already.

[Laz]

Originally Posted by Doove

Yup, and we could have avoided 9/11 by everyone becoming Muslims and instituting Sharia Law.

Funny, but i seem to remember being told that what made 9/11 evil, as opposed to the collateral damage of killing civilians in Iraq was that Bin Laden targeted civilians.

I guess it's different when we do it.

In WWII the civilian infrastructure used to support the military was targeted. The ability to accurately bomb did not exist.

The other thing to remember is that the Japanese started the war. And finally the use of the bombs saved hundreds of thousands of lives by preventing an invasion that would have resulted in losses far greater than the number of people killed by the nuclear bombs.

[Jackie S]

My Dad was in the Philipines at the end of the War, training for the upcoming invasion. My older brother was concieved before he left, but I was a product of his first couple of months home after the war.

If we had not dropped the Bombs, and were forced to invade, my Dad would have been part of the invasion force. In all likelyhood, he would have been one of the several hundred thousand that were predicted to die. I would not be here.

I guess I am just a selfish shit.

[CuteOldGuy]

Well, Jackie. I'm glad you're here!

[doggie83]

I believe the fire bombing of Japanese cities killed more people in WW2 than did the 2 hydrogen bombs. I guess Obama was saving that apology for another day.

[Laz]

Originally Posted by doggie83

I believe the fire bombing of Japanese cities killed more people in WW2 than did the 2 hydrogen bombs. I guess Obama was saving that apology for another day.

You are correct. German cities suffered horrible fire bombings as well. When they finally surrendered it was over because the people had no more will to fight. Sometimes I think that is why we continue having problems with these limited wars. The civilian populations do not suffer the horrors that occured in the past and are willing to believe they still have a chance and the cost of these attacks to them is not that bad.

[Marshall]

Originally Posted by Laz

You are correct. German cities suffered horrible fire bombings as well. When they finally surrendered it was over because the people had no more will to fight. Sometimes I think that is why we continue having problems with these limited wars. The civilian populations do not suffer the horrors that occured in the past and are willing to believe they still have a chance and the cost of these attacks to them is not that bad.

+1

[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by doggie83

I believe the fire bombing of Japanese cities killed more people in WW2 than did the 2 hydrogen bombs. I guess Obama was saving that apology for another day.

more japanese died mainly because of the way they built their homes and buildings. japanese homes are made of paper and wood and will catch fire when it happens.

there have been some screwy ways to burn japanese homes easily, one of them was to use bats tied with a small amount of incendiary.

[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by Jackie S

My Dad was in the Philipines at the end of the War, training for the upcoming invasion. My older brother was concieved before he left, but I was a product of his first couple of months home after the war.

If we had not dropped the Bombs, and were forced to invade, my Dad would have been part of the invasion force. In all likelyhood, he would have been one of the several hundred thousand that were predicted to die. I would not be here.

I guess I am just a selfish shit.

Operation Overlord, wasn't it called for the planned invasion of japan?

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

Operation Overlord, wasn't it called for the planned invasion of japan?

Operation Downfall; Overlord was for the 6 June 1944, Normandy, D-Day.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

more japanese died mainly because of the way they built their homes and buildings. japanese homes are made of paper and wood and will catch fire when it happens.

there have been some screwy ways to burn japanese homes easily, one of them was to use bats tied with a small amount of incendiary.

More people (100,000) died in the Tokyo fire bombings than in the Dresden raid, but by then, U.S. bomber command had perfected its technique. Building material does appear to have been a factor as you suggest. (Just verified at wiki before posting and learned that a 2010 study estimates 25,000 civilians were killed in Dresden. When Vonnegut published his Slaughter-House Five, the casualty estimates ranged from 80,000 to 150,000. With this downward revision, Hamburg now appears to have suffered the worst - in Europe - with 50,000 casualties).