Romney says he would keep parts of Obamacare

[CJ7]

pretty easy to be lulled to sleep with Willard Mr Personality around ... Romney SAYS alot of shit, he just forgets to remind everyone EXACTLY he will go about doing what he says he will do ..

[CuteOldGuy]

I haven't seen what Romney's replacement plan would be. Does anyone have a link?

[CJ7]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

I haven't seen what Romney's replacement plan would be. Does anyone have a link?

sure, over there in the "we're still crunching the numbers" file ... yanno, its attached to his budget proposal and his plan to create more jobs.

he plans to release the details after he gets elected

[Whirlaway]

MITT'S PLAN

On his first day in office, Mitt Romney will issue an executive order that paves the way for the federal government to issue Obamacare waivers to all fifty states. He will then work with Congress to repeal the full legislation as quickly as possible.

In place of Obamacare, Mitt will pursue policies that give each state the power to craft a health care reform plan that is best for its own citizens. The federal government’s role will be to help markets work by creating a level playing field for competition.

Restore State Leadership and Flexibility

Mitt will begin by returning states to their proper place in charge of regulating local insurance markets and caring for the poor, uninsured, and chronically ill. States will have both the incentive and the flexibility to experiment, learn from one another, and craft the approaches best suited to their own citizens.

Block grant Medicaid and other payments to states
Limit federal standards and requirements on both private insurance and Medicaid coverage
Ensure flexibility to help the uninsured, including public-private partnerships, exchanges, and subsidies
Ensure flexibility to help the chronically ill, including high-risk pools, reinsurance, and risk adjustment
Offer innovation grants to explore non-litigation alternatives to dispute resolution
Promote Free Markets and Fair Competition

Competition drives improvements in efficiency and effectiveness, offering consumers higher quality goods and services at lower cost. It can have the same effect in the health care system, if given the chance to work.

Cap non-economic damages in medical malpractice lawsuits
Empower individuals and small businesses to form purchasing pools
Prevent discrimination against individuals with pre-existing conditions who maintain continuous coverage
Facilitate IT interoperability
Empower Consumer Choice

For markets to work, consumers must have the information and the power to make decisions about their own care. Placing the patient at the center of the process will drive quality up and cost down while ensuring that services are designed to provide what Americans actually want.

End tax discrimination against the individual purchase of insurance
Allow consumers to purchase insurance across state lines
Unshackle HSAs by allowing funds to be used for insurance premiums
Promote "co-insurance" products
Promote alternatives to "fee for service"
Encourage "Consumer Reports"-type ratings of alternative insurance plans

[wellendowed1911]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

MITT'S PLAN

On his first day in office, Mitt Romney will issue an executive order that paves the way for the federal government to issue Obamacare waivers to all fifty states. He will then work with Congress to repeal the full legislation as quickly as possible.

In place of Obamacare, Mitt will pursue policies that give each state the power to craft a health care reform plan that is best for its own citizens. The federal government’s role will be to help markets work by creating a level playing field for competition.

Restore State Leadership and Flexibility

Mitt will begin by returning states to their proper place in charge of regulating local insurance markets and caring for the poor, uninsured, and chronically ill. States will have both the incentive and the flexibility to experiment, learn from one another, and craft the approaches best suited to their own citizens.

Block grant Medicaid and other payments to states
Limit federal standards and requirements on both private insurance and Medicaid coverage
Ensure flexibility to help the uninsured, including public-private partnerships, exchanges, and subsidies
Ensure flexibility to help the chronically ill, including high-risk pools, reinsurance, and risk adjustment
Offer innovation grants to explore non-litigation alternatives to dispute resolution
Promote Free Markets and Fair Competition

Competition drives improvements in efficiency and effectiveness, offering consumers higher quality goods and services at lower cost. It can have the same effect in the health care system, if given the chance to work.

Cap non-economic damages in medical malpractice lawsuits
Empower individuals and small businesses to form purchasing pools
Prevent discrimination against individuals with pre-existing conditions who maintain continuous coverage
Facilitate IT interoperability
Empower Consumer Choice

For markets to work, consumers must have the information and the power to make decisions about their own care. Placing the patient at the center of the process will drive quality up and cost down while ensuring that services are designed to provide what Americans actually want.

End tax discrimination against the individual purchase of insurance
Allow consumers to purchase insurance across state lines
Unshackle HSAs by allowing funds to be used for insurance premiums
Promote "co-insurance" products
Promote alternatives to "fee for service"
Encourage "Consumer Reports"-type ratings of alternative insurance plans

look at this video and tell me if Romney is not a flip flopping liar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVWo2VeCyLo

[Sensia]

Originally Posted by wellendowed1911

Ok if this is not the biggest Flip Flopper of all time- Romney who since the primaries has been boasting that he will repeal Romneycare oops I meant Obamacare(sorry they so similar I confuse the two) on Day 1 if elected- much to the joy of the Teanuts- now says they he would keep 2 provisions of Obamacare- 1) the law that allows people with preexisting conditions to keep coverage and 2) Keeping children on their parents insurance until the age of 26.
Now this surely will piss off the TeaNuts who won't the bill repealed in it's entirety.
To JoeBloe, Whirlway, IB and you other Repugs- doesn't it seem strange that a man who helped craft Obamacare and was so adamant about repealing Obamacare now says he likes certain laws of Obamacare??? This is going to get interesting during the debates.

http://news.yahoo.com/romney-says-ke...155146420.html

I didn't read everyone's posts here, but they are showing Mitt and his campaign people back tracking on what he said and saying "only if folks have continuous insurance". You are shit out of luck if you loose your insurance and have not been able to get insurance due to health issues.

So it looks like the Tea partiers made him do a back track again.

Tsk, Tsk Romney... Remember when he was on Jay Leno's show and Mitt Said "if a guy has a heart condition and doesn't have health insurance, then comes out and says I need health insurance, well, no, you can't play the game like that"

[CJ7]

States will have both the incentive and the flexibility to experiment, learn from one another, and craft the approaches best suited to their own citizens.



states like Texas with 20 billion dollar deficits will have the flexibility to experiment ?

BBBBBAAAAAAAHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHA.

EXPERIMENT WITH WHAT?

yeah buddy, now theres a plan straight out of the fucking twilight zone.

[Doove]

Romney has no idea what his position is. Because, frankly, i don't think he really gives a shit.

He wants to be President simply because he wants to be President.

"Issues? What issues? I'll have to deal with issues?"

[CuteOldGuy]

Originally Posted by Sensia

Tsk, Tsk Romney... Remember when he was on Jay Leno's show and Mitt Said "if a guy has a heart condition and doesn't have health insurance, then comes out and says I need health insurance, well, no, you can't play the game like that"

Sensia, you're a nice person, but think about it. If a person could wait until they had a heart attack to buy health insurance, how is that different from waiting until you have an accident to buy auto insurance? Why would a company agree to that? And how much would the premium have to be?

You need to understand the concept of shared risk. If the damage is there, there is no risk. It's happened, and the costs are determinable.

[CJ7]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

Sensia, you're a nice person, but think about it. If a person could wait until they had a heart attack to buy health insurance, how is that different from waiting until you have an accident to buy auto insurance? Why would a company agree to that? And how much would the premium have to be?

You need to understand the concept of shared risk. If the damage is there, there is no risk. It's happened, and the costs are determinable.

if you have a heart attack and go to the hospital and rack up a 100K medical bill, then go buy insurance, the nsurance covers medical bills after you purchase the policy, not before ... because you have a heart issue to begin with an insurance company cant refuse you coverage ... there is no shared risk of past medical debt


Denny Crane

[Whirlaway]

What is the lie and where is the flip flop? It isn't on the video.

[CuteOldGuy]

Originally Posted by CJ7

if you have a heart attack and go to the hospital and rack up a 100K medical bill, then go buy insurance, the nsurance covers medical bills after you purchase the policy, not before ... because you have a heart issue to begin with an insurance company cant refuse you coverage ... there is no shared risk of past medical debt


Denny Crane

I don't think that is what she meant, but if it is, I stand corrected. He will still pay much higher premiums than someone who hasn't had a history of heart problems.

[TheDaliLama]

Actually if you are willing to spend the money you can get coverage with a pre existing condition.

[CJ7]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

I don't think that is what she meant, but if it is, I stand corrected. He will still pay much higher premiums than someone who hasn't had a history of heart problems.

a policy with high premiums beats no policy at all.

[Sensia]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

Sensia, you're a nice person, but think about it. If a person could wait until they had a heart attack to buy health insurance, how is that different from waiting until you have an accident to buy auto insurance? Why would a company agree to that? And how much would the premium have to be?

You need to understand the concept of shared risk. If the damage is there, there is no risk. It's happened, and the costs are determinable.

Cog, I understand what you are saying but what is it 80 some odd million (shit don't remember the actual count), who cannot get health insurance A) they cannot afford it B) they have a pre-existing condition

So if your dealing with most of these folks which seem to be the majority or American's these days this statement by Romney seems to be pretty cold and pretty heartless.