The Green Conundrum.....

[Willie Wanker]

Originally Posted by LayingPipe

Car companies are required to warranty batteries but they can set at what capacity the battery decays to. Ford is 70% They are also pro rated Your not getting a new battery in year 7

A well taken care of gas powered engine can easily go 20 years

I'd never keep it that long, but I get your point.

[Zollner]

Originally Posted by LayingPipe

A well taken care of gas powered engine can easily go 20 years

Really. How many keep a vehicle that long? Besides those still around, if really used, driven and worked that long don't look that great. Maybe they like antiques.

Been leasing for years. Usually get a new vehicle every 3 yrs. I like new vehicles, so any 8 yr battery warranty will not matter.

Batteries are evolving and only getting better. Good chance your next EV selected in ~3 yrs wil have totally different battery.

As far as oil & gasoline, let them greedy Texans and Arabs go drink their effing oil! Don't need it anymore.

[brasil]

Originally Posted by LayingPipe

Car companies are required to warranty batteries but they can set at what capacity the battery decays to. Ford is 70% They are also pro rated Your not getting a new battery in year 7

A well taken care of gas powered engine can easily go 20 years

Maintenance on a gas powered engine will be much more expensive than maintenance on an EV, so over 20 years you will end up spending considerably more.

[sexman333]

Originally Posted by Zollner

Really. How many keep a vehicle that long? Besides those still around, if really used, driven and worked that long don't look that great. Maybe they like antiques.

Been leasing for years. Usually get a new vehicle every 3 yrs. I like new vehicles, so any 8 yr battery warranty will not matter.

Batteries are evolving and only getting better. Good chance your next EV selected in ~3 yrs wil have totally different battery.

As far as oil & gasoline, let them greedy Texans and Arabs go drink their effing oil! Don't need it anymore.

I like new cars also. A three year old car is a junker to me. I get a new one every year or 10,000 miles.

With 60% of battery recharge energy coming from fossil fuels I am staying with with gas powered for now. Until it all becomes sustainable without government subsidy may be jumping the gun. If government subsidy goes away the EV could become a boat anchor. I prefer to see what happens with hydrogen & fuel cells as putting all your trust in the electrical grid may leave you powerless across the board.. home, car, phone laptop. May hit the hobby budget as collateral damage

[LayingPipe]

Originally Posted by Zollner

Then oil companies came along

Missed the part about the government putting high taxes on alcohol which gave gasoline a foothold and alcohol attracts water which is why cold climates use dry gas to absorb water in fuel tanks

[LayingPipe]

Originally Posted by brasil

Maintenance on a gas powered engine will be much more expensive

75% of Americans only buy used cars
$30 for an oil change once a year for 20 years $600
New EV battery every 10 years $6000 $12,000
Tires,brakes and steering components will be the same

[sexman333]

Originally Posted by Zollner

When Autos were first invented they ran on alcohol. Then oil companies came along and many autos had a switch installed so you could flip it to run on either alcohol or gasoline. Then after a bit Big oil took over and knocked out alcohol completely.

Now we have this.

We used to get around by horse and buggy. Is there a point to be made, or are we reminiscing the good old days.

[Zollner]

Originally Posted by brasil

Maintenance on a gas powered engine will be much more expensive than maintenance on an EV, so over 20 years you will end up spending considerably more.

Exactly!
That's why automakers are moving to EVs which have ~30% less parts, hence less to breakdown and will cost less to make.

[Zollner]

Originally Posted by sexman333

I like new cars also. A three year old car is a junker to me. I get a new one every year or 10,000 miles.

With 60% of battery recharge energy coming from fossil fuels I am staying with with gas powered for now. Until it all becomes sustainable without government subsidy may be jumping the gun. If government subsidy goes away the EV could become a boat anchor. I prefer to see what happens with hydrogen & fuel cells as putting all your trust in the electrical grid may leave you powerless across the board.. home, car, phone laptop. May hit the hobby budget as collateral damage

New one every year. You're luckier than most, especially that one who has that 20 yr old junker.

Got a long wait for hydrogen which is too expensive and fuel cells which are only good for putting us on the moon.

EVs show the most advances lately. Batteries just get better, along with solar which enhance the grid, in most States, except for Texas.

Government subsidy??? When will Oil become sustainable without government subsidy??? Over the years Big Oil has raked in more government subsidy than all the others you mention so far!

[Zollner]

Originally Posted by LayingPipe

Missed the part about the government putting high taxes on alcohol which gave gasoline a foothold and alcohol attracts water which is why cold climates use dry gas to absorb water in fuel tanks

Lucky Oil has been made sustainable with government subsidies over the years eh?
That Oil Depletion Allowance really saved them over the years....LOL

[Zollner]

Originally Posted by LayingPipe

75% of Americans only buy used cars
$30 for an oil change once a year for 20 years $600
New EV battery every 10 years $6000 $12,000
Tires,brakes and steering components will be the same

Big Oil give ya them fuzzy numbers, did they??? LOL

If you do 1 oil change a yr and only drive < 5K miles a yr maybe that engine will last 20 years....LOL

Most folks but a bit more miles on yearly which would render that engine junk

BTW it's nice NOT having anymore oil changes and not having to use a drop of gasoline...

[Zollner]

Originally Posted by sexman333

We used to get around by horse and buggy. Is there a point to be made, or are we reminiscing the good old days.

ICE is exactly going the way of the horse and buggy.
However fear not, some folks still ride their horses.....

[offshoredrilling]

[Guest072323]

Originally Posted by brasil

Maintenance on a gas powered engine will be much more expensive than maintenance on an EV, so over 20 years you will end up spending considerably more.

Incorrect

Originally Posted by Zollner

Exactly Incorrect!

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[Guest072323]

Originally Posted by offshoredrilling

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