Some things providers do that wear me out...

[fd150]

No man is going to get a provider out of jail so its not worth it....and if you look at the women that has been in this business for over 10 yrs some dont do that cause they know the risk.

But they LE also does the reversal role in setting up guys so the minute you say what U WANT to a undercover LE female and how much u wanting to spend then YOU go to the po po....so go ahead....just making a point that safety is more important than screwing up. And the smart intelligent guys that understands that sees that she is smart and respects ones privacy. I would be scared to death to see ANYONE that puts out there abbreviations and prices cause that COULD BE LE....
so yes they can pass up the ones with NO PRICES and risk getting caught in a sting.
WHAT HAPPENED TO ASPD in Houston? I rest my case!!!!! lol

[AveryMoore]

My understanding is that some women don't put prices up on their ad because they want to be flexible and lower their rates when business is slow, raise them when they're busy—particularly if they're visiting a city. I have a friend who operates that way. Does the hesitation in contacting someone without listed rates come from suspicion that they're law enforcement, or just general discomfort with/disinterest in negotiating the cost? (I hate having to do that, myself, in any situation!)

[charlestudor2005]

Whatever a lady wants to do about listing prices is entirely within her control, and she should do that with which she is most comfortable.

That being said, I have recently seen some pretty high-dollar ladies' websites (not that I can afford them, LOL). They all list prices (normally starting at thousands of dollars per hour).

A few ladies on ECCIE and P411 do not list prices. They say, "call." It's a little frustrating. But like I said earlier, I hate the phone, so I probably won't call.

Rightly or wrongly, I put these few in the same category as most BP or CL girls who do not list their rates in their ads. Just a "hot time" and a phone number. That may be attractive to the guys aged 18 - 30, but it's not attractive to me.

[atlcomedy]

Originally Posted by discreetgent

fd150,

Obviously you should do what you feel is best, but no rates on a website will lead many gents to just move on.

yep

Originally Posted by AveryMoore

My understanding is that some women don't put prices up on their ad because they want to be flexible and lower their rates when business is slow,

the reason business may be slow is they didn't list their rate

Originally Posted by charlestudor2005

That may be attractive to the guys aged 16 - 30, but it's not attractive to me.

I'm sure you meant 18-30

[charlestudor2005]

Originally Posted by atlcomedy

I'm sure you meant 18-30

oops.

[KlassyKelliAnn]

Charles, I am always hesitant to read stuff like this but sometimes it is a great exchange of information and learning experience. You, sir, have a way of voicing things in a way that does not mean or purposely tries to offend and I really appreciate that.

Now that being said, I do disagree with you on ONE thing. Everything else I agree with and appreciate the thoughts and advice but I already do most of them except one. The outcall rate: I personally state I charge one. I also state that is depends on the area where the person is. Since I also provide outside the county and surrounding areas and travel to cities outside my own the rate varies and sometimes very greatly. I am very mathematically challenged. LOL So unless the person contacts me and let's me know of their location for the outcall travel quote- too bad.


Thanks for your thoughts. I am always pleased to see a true gentleman voice their opinions, thoughts and even frustrations in a nice and kind manner that does not put people down. I dont think enough people do that. It would be such a pleasant environment if more did so- so a sincere thanks to you, Charles.

LOL about hating the phone! I loathe the damn thing too!


KKA

[KlassyKelliAnn]

Originally Posted by fd150

No man is going to get a provider out of jail

This statement is NOT true.

I know a few providers, strippers, other adult industry workers, etc. who have been bailed out of jail for either drug violations, traffic warrants, DWI's etc. by their clients.

I had some unpaid tickets and a client was kind enough to do the same for me.


KKA

[anova444]

I will be making my 3rd ever out-call this week. I'm not completely apposed to making an out-call visit. I just must feel very comfortable with the person that "orders out" and I am very comfortable with you.

Do I still have to change my P411 ad?

[atlcomedy]

Originally Posted by KlassyKelliAnn

This statement is NOT true.

I know a few providers, strippers, other adult industry workers, etc. who have been bailed out of jail for either drug violations, traffic warrants, DWI's etc. by their clients.

I had some unpaid tickets and a client was kind enough to do the same for me.


KKA

Fair enough but in the spirit of the title of the thread....don't call me

I've only had it happen once (although she called more than once and worse left messages before I took the call to tell her to leave me alone). Actually it was her female friend calling on her behalf to raise bail for a charge that can't be discussed on this board. Friend said she'd be "real appreciative."

It is not that I wasn't sympathetic, but there are boundaries in this biz for a reason

[charlestudor2005]

Originally Posted by KlassyKelliAnn

Now that being said, I do disagree with you on ONE thing. Everything else I agree with and appreciate the thoughts and advice but I already do most of them except one. The outcall rate: I personally state I charge one. I also state that is depends on the area where the person is. Since I also provide outside the county and surrounding areas and travel to cities outside my own the rate varies and sometimes very greatly. I am very mathematically challenged. LOL So unless the person contacts me and let's me know of their location for the outcall travel quote- too bad.

LOL about hating the phone! I loathe the damn thing too!


KKA

There are exceptions to every rule. You have rationally stated one.

[Chica Chaser]

Originally Posted by fd150

No man is going to get a provider out of jail so its not worth it....and if you look at the women that has been in this business for over 10 yrs some dont do that cause they know the risk.

But they LE also does the reversal role in setting up guys so the minute you say what U WANT to a undercover LE female and how much u wanting to spend then YOU go to the po po....so go ahead....just making a point that safety is more important than screwing up. And the smart intelligent guys that understands that sees that she is smart and respects ones privacy. I would be scared to death to see ANYONE that puts out there abbreviations and prices cause that COULD BE LE....
so yes they can pass up the ones with NO PRICES and risk getting caught in a sting.
WHAT HAPPENED TO ASPD in Houston? I rest my case!!!!! lol

fd...while I completely understand your reluctance to list your rates, I do have a question. If I were interested in visiting with you, exactly how would you communicate to me how much dinero to bring along? Do I just guess? Should I use the same amount listed on your last review? Is it something we discuss in person once I arrive at your incall? What if I guessed too low and have to make another trip to the ATM; sorta kills the mood of the session for me. Please don't take this the wrong way...I'm genuinely curious.

Originally Posted by AveryMoore

Does the hesitation in contacting someone without listed rates come from suspicion that they're law enforcement, or just general discomfort with/disinterest in negotiating the cost? (I hate having to do that, myself, in any situation!)

Avery...I'm not particularly worried about the LE aspect at this point. I AM extremely uncomfortable having to call you up and ask though. I can only think of one time ever that I have done that. I don't negotiate. Your rate is your rate and I am either comfortable with it or I'm not. (But I DO need to know what it is to begin making that decision!) Guess it falls into that old "If ya gotta ask, you can't afford it" category! Unfortunetly, in this biz, if I gotta ask I will simply pass and move on to another lady. If I feel this way, I'm willing to bet others do as well; and I promise that you are missing out on some biz because of it.

Everyone plays this game a little differently to whatever standard makes them comfortable. The fact of the matter is this; if LE is targeting you you are going to take a free ride in a squad car, don't really matter what you do or don't do in your advertising or those critical early moments of a session. After that it up to the prosecutor to make it all stick and your attorney to get the charges dropped.

"You can beat the rap but you can't beat the ride" is true no matter if you are a $2000/hr escort, a $200/hr AMP worker, a $30/song stripper or a $20/trick streetwalker. Sorry but the facts are the facts!

[Guest032514-1]

Actually, I'm assuming fd may mean "menu" plus pricing?

Sort of "Gee your honor, yes those are naked ass shots of me with: Greek add $100. But I swear I'm not a --------."

By leaving explicit off, I'm hoping to be that snowball in hell.

What about The Warning stuff? Must be 18 to enter, not an offer of.What do you guys think of that?

[CANDY_69]

I personally perfer a guy to call me after he has read my entire ad. Therefore when he call all we talk about is where and when. Anything else being said is a no no and I will refer you back to my ad. Please do not email or text because writing and texting can and will be used against you in a court of law.

[AveryMoore]

Originally Posted by Chica Chaser

Avery...I'm not particularly worried about the LE aspect at this point. I AM extremely uncomfortable having to call you up and ask though. I can only think of one time ever that I have done that. I don't negotiate. Your rate is your rate and I am either comfortable with it or I'm not. (But I DO need to know what it is to begin making that decision!) Guess it falls into that old "If ya gotta ask, you can't afford it" category! Unfortunetly, in this biz, if I gotta ask I will simply pass and move on to another lady. If I feel this way, I'm willing to bet others do as well; and I promise that you are missing out on some biz because of it.

CC, you did not read my post very carefully! My rates are listed so no one has to call me to get them. If I am missing out on business, it is 100% due to my personal attributes!

I was asking why clients are hesitant to call just out of curiosity. Moreover, I second (and third) Charles's and KelliAnn's phone phobia. It's so nice to know others share that sentiment...I have had many friends give me a hard time about it. But I take typing on a screen over talking into a receiver any day. That must be my shy, nerdy side coming out.

[China Doll]

Originally Posted by discreetgent

fd150,

Obviously you should do what you feel is best, but no rates on a website will lead many gents to just move on.

Fair enough! I personally do not list my rates because it stops people I don't know from harrassing me about them. I also feel that even though LE might target me someday and have some evidence to use against me, why should I provide them with more? I don't discuss rates until after the screening. Only once has someone then told me that I was out of his price range, and he was very kind about it.