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, Insurance companies are projecting a vast profit suck in the very near future and they are doing all they can to stop the implementation of this law.
What part of that doesn't make sense to you haters? Insurance companies, hospitals and Pharmas have sucked the life out of this country and it's economy for the past 30 years.
Seems like you smart, fiscally responsible conservatives might be able to get your closed minds around this simple comment.
Chit! you jack wagons look for conspirators hiding under every rock and sleep in a fucking bunker. Why has this one escaped your scrutiny?
What part of that doesn't make sense to you haters? Insurance companies, hospitals and Pharmas have sucked the life out of this country and it's economy for the past 30 years.
Seems like you smart, fiscally responsible conservatives might be able to get your closed minds around this simple comment.
Chit! you jack wagons look for conspirators hiding under every rock and sleep in a fucking bunker. Why has this one escaped your scrutiny?
Oh yeah, the black guy proposed it.
You are a genuine retard, you dumb-fuck golem jackass.
ATTENTION LIBTARDS! Read it and Weep! ObamaCare rates trigger more sticker shock
ObamaCare rates trigger more sticker shock
Andy Mangione, who lives in Louisville, Ky. with his wife Amy and their two boys, is doing the same thing millions of people are doing --trying to figure out how much his insurance will cost under ObamaCare.
Before the exchanges opened, his insurance company said his rates would soar. But now that there are subsidies, he's been trying for days to find out how much he would get.
"To logically compare plans, I've been calling them every day since October 1st," says Mangione, "several times a day on some occasions. Sometimes enduring 45, 50 minute holds, half an hour holds."
Although Kentucky officials were unable to give him a firm number on his subsidy because of repeated ITproblems, they did refer him to a Kaiser Family Foundation site, which suggests his subsidy will be $414 a month -- on a premium of $868.
"What I'm concerned about is our doctor visits, our emergency room visits, and what I'm paying in my premium," says Mangione.
The problem is the plan closest to what he has now will mean a 24 percent increase over his current payment-- after subsidies.
And his co-pay for emergency room visits almost tripled -- from $125 to $350 -- an important factor for a family with two young boys.
"They're climbing trees, they're falling out of trees. They're running around falling off their bike, they're very active. They're not unlike any other 8 and 10 year old boys," their dad says.
The Mangiones found one plan with smaller premiums, but their doctor was out of network, ultimately making it more expensive for them.
They're not the only ones with sticker shock.
Members of Congress say constituents have been complaining, as they recently described some of their mail.
Rep. John Duncan, R-Tenn., read from one constituent who said "I remember our president saying the new health care bill will reduce costs. I have my health care renewal forms, and the premium has increased about 15 percent, a $700 deductible is added, and my co-payment has increased."
Rep.Patrick McHenry, R-N.C., also read letters from some of his constituents.
"Mike from Hickory saw his premiums rise from $388 to $650. Phil from Forest City saw an increase, even though his policy didn't change, saw an increase of 42 percent."
Some Fox viewers in Alabama also wrote in. Although they asked their names not be used, one couple about 60 years old sent detailed information about their rate increases, which will add 82 percent to their annual health care costs. At the same time, their deductibles increased by a third.
For people on the individual market who have some catastrophic condition or illness, ObamaCare will bring benefits, but critics say their needs could be addressed at much lower costs to everyone else.
As far as the rollout is concerned, Sen. Pat Roberts, R-Kan., said Friday that "the problems with the exchanges are systematic, profound and indisputable," and he called on Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius to resign for what he called "gross incompetence."
I love reading where the Libtards still think that Asshat (Obongo) really cares about the American people and this Obamacare Crap is going to be good. If it is so great why are all of the Capital Hill politicians exempting themselves from it?
Welcome El Capitan. Hope all is well.
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Education is not the learning of facts, but the training of the mind to think. Guess who said this.
Your helper monkey?
To all you donks out there, did it ever occur to you that the fact that there is so much "bad" information and that there is so much uncertainty and that the healthcare.gov is such a mess...that's its Obama fault?
Or are you so use to accepting what comes out of the White House and his media apologists, that you can't tell the difference between spin, outright lies and truth?
AWESOME VIDEO! It's about CONTROL!...Fucken Ozombies are so stupid but it is SAD that the country will never recover.
That video pretty much lays down the real truth of Obamacare. It has nothing to do with Healthcare at all, but like Carson said it's about control. What I never could understand is how could a Bill this large and this important be passed without anyone knowing what's in it. It goes to show how selfish and incompetent our Government really is. If what is being said is true, that America is headed for Socialism, what is the next step that will be taken? What other area of our lives will be infringed upon by the Government? Obamacare is only the tip of the Iceberg.
That video pretty much lays down the real truth of Obamacare. It has nothing to do with Healthcare at all, but like Carson said it's about control. What I never could understand is how could a Bill this large and this important be passed without anyone knowing what's in it. It goes to show how selfish and incompetent our Government really is. If what is being said is true, that America is headed for Socialism, what is the next step that will be taken? What other area of our lives will be infringed upon by the Government? Obamacare is only the tip of the Iceberg.
To all you donks out there, did it ever occur to you that the fact that there is so much "bad" information and that there is so much uncertainty and that the healthcare.gov is such a mess...that's its Obama fault?
Or are you so use to accepting what comes out of the White House and his media apologists, that you can't tell the difference between spin, outright lies and truth?
Hi gnadfly
I agree with your statement regarding healthcare.gov. Its not like they didnt have time, or an existing example of the hardware/software infrastructure needed for this thing. I'm pretty sure the nerds at google and/or facebook would have been glad to help.
I'm in no implying all is perfect with this law. The issues you've pointed out are no reason to scrap it.
Hi gnadfly
I agree with your statement regarding healthcare.gov. Its not like they didnt have time, or an existing example of the hardware/software infrastructure needed for this thing. I'm pretty sure the nerds at google and/or facebook would have been glad to help.
I'm in no implying all is perfect with this law. The issues you've pointed out are no reason to scrap it.
gg,
Let's me break this down into two parts. First, almost everyone is using the term "Obamacare" so generically that its confusing to understand what is being discussed. The first part of Obamacare that was implemented, most people were for. For the young and jobless, it was nice that they raised the age you could be on your parent insurance until 26 without being a full time student- same with pre-existing conditions for kids under 18.
Now we are at the painful part. Everyone either buys insurance or they are taxed. Supposedly insurance premiums are suppose to fall. You are supposed to be able to
keep your doctor and your insurance. Supposedly not one dime is going to be added to the Federal debt. Supposedly illegals are not supposed to be added to Obamacare. Many people thought they were supposed to get 'free' healthcare.
The second part is managers are supposed to manage expectations. Obama isn't doing that, he's having his apologists spin for him. There isn't a good communication as to what the individual mandate does for the individual or the country. The business mandate was postponed because the business for its implementation too onerous. The same could be said of the individual mandate. If it was lower premiums and wildly popular, Obama would be out there every night blowing his own horn. But he's not. He doesn't even have decent personal success stories. Numbers basic to any web site of this type are purposefully being with held.
That's what the pushback is about. The implementation of the painful parts. We haven't even begun to discuss how much the government is going to subsidize the individuals and the insurance companies.
The scrapping of the first part isn't on the table anymore. Its the second part - and I'm sure I haven't even covered it superficially in total - that needs to be explained to the American people. Its not. Even Obama's board supporters don't even know how many people they are hoping to sign up in the first years and how far behind they are. They just talk about 'glitches.'
BTW, you don't need the geniuses at google or fb to put this website together. To some extent this is generic portal website with a lot of interfaces to various govt databases.
Andy Mangione, who lives in Louisville, Ky. with his wife Amy and their two boys, is doing the same thing millions of people are doing --trying to figure out how much his insurance will cost under ObamaCare.
Before the exchanges opened, his insurance company said his rates would soar. But now that there are subsidies, he's been trying for days to find out how much he would get.
"To logically compare plans, I've been calling them every day since October 1st," says Mangione, "several times a day on some occasions. Sometimes enduring 45, 50 minute holds, half an hour holds."
Although Kentucky officials were unable to give him a firm number on his subsidy because of repeated ITproblems, they did refer him to a Kaiser Family Foundation site, which suggests his subsidy will be $414 a month -- on a premium of $868.
"What I'm concerned about is our doctor visits, our emergency room visits, and what I'm paying in my premium," says Mangione.
The problem is the plan closest to what he has now will mean a 24 percent increase over his current payment-- after subsidies.
And his co-pay for emergency room visits almost tripled -- from $125 to $350 -- an important factor for a family with two young boys.
"They're climbing trees, they're falling out of trees. They're running around falling off their bike, they're very active. They're not unlike any other 8 and 10 year old boys," their dad says.
The Mangiones found one plan with smaller premiums, but their doctor was out of network, ultimately making it more expensive for them.
They're not the only ones with sticker shock.
Members of Congress say constituents have been complaining, as they recently described some of their mail.
Rep. John Duncan, R-Tenn., read from one constituent who said "I remember our president saying the new health care bill will reduce costs. I have my health care renewal forms, and the premium has increased about 15 percent, a $700 deductible is added, and my co-payment has increased."
Rep.Patrick McHenry, R-N.C., also read letters from some of his constituents.
"Mike from Hickory saw his premiums rise from $388 to $650. Phil from Forest City saw an increase, even though his policy didn't change, saw an increase of 42 percent."
Some Fox viewers in Alabama also wrote in. Although they asked their names not be used, one couple about 60 years old sent detailed information about their rate increases, which will add 82 percent to their annual health care costs. At the same time, their deductibles increased by a third.
For people on the individual market who have some catastrophic condition or illness, ObamaCare will bring benefits, but critics say their needs could be addressed at much lower costs to everyone else.
As far as the rollout is concerned, Sen. Pat Roberts, R-Kan., said Friday that "the problems with the exchanges are systematic, profound and indisputable," and he called on Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius to resign for what he called "gross incompetence."
Hey Marshall you lying filthy POS- can you please tell me what the GOP alternative is- I even posted a thread and not one of you fuckatrd republicans could give me your solution.
Do we need to go back to pre- ACA/Obamacare conditions- you know where they denied you for pre-existing conditions? TheRock you should be glad that STUPIDITY isn't a medical condition otherwise You, Whirlaway, and I.B would not be covered under the old system- fuck you!
TheRock you should be glad that STUPIDITY isn't a medical condition otherwise You, Whirlaway, and I.B would not be covered under the old system- fuck you!
But stupidity isn't covered by Odumbocare, WE. Whatever will you do, WE?
Hey Marshall you lying filthy POS- can you please tell me what the GOP alternative is- I even posted a thread and not one of you fuckatrd republicans could give me your solution. Do we need to go back to pre- ACA/Obamacare conditions- you know where they denied you for pre-existing conditions? TheRock you should be glad that STUPIDITY isn't a medical condition otherwise You, Whirlaway, and I.B would not be covered under the old system- fuck you!
are you really expecting an actual answer from the rock or IB?
A large part of the problem is insurance companies not being able to compete across state lines. It keeps prices high because of lack of competition. The United States needs a new healthcare system. People shouldn't die because they're poor, but I don't know if Obamacare is the answer. I do think it's fine for now, but sure it'll evolve as time goes on.
