The Corrupt Ukraine Scam

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by Big Daddy Joe

Where do you get these theories? Everybody watched the buildup and the invasion.
It was on TV remember?
We also watched Putin invade Crimea in 2014.
Or are you trying to a say that Biden FDR'ed Russia!
And you people question his intelligence on here all the time!
I donnno that seems pretty bright to me!
If that indeed was his goal.
Get Ukraine to fight our proxy war, no American bloodshed and for the cost of some weapons bankrupt the Russian treasury and break it's economy!
Not too shabby!

Shoulda done the same thing in Vietnam and saved 58,000 American lives!
Biden seems pretty smart for a dummy, don't ya think!
If of course that was Bidens goal, but we all know different and you do too!

Putin is a monster always has been!. Why don't you all just move to Russia you would all be the very best of patriots!

Biden is a incompetent stooge puppet doing what the neo-con warmongers tell him to do

now about those theories ...

seems like they are facts ...


https://www.france24.com/en/russia/2...ng-to-the-east


The origin of the betrayal claim

To understand Russia’s claims of betrayal, it is necessary to review the reassurances then US secretary of state James A. Baker made to former Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev during a meeting on February 9, 1990. In a discussion on the status of a reunited Germany, the two men agreed that NATO would not extend past the territory of East Germany, a promise repeated by NATO’s secretary general in a speech on May 17 that same year in Brussels.


Russia and the West finally struck an agreement in September that would allow NATO to station its troops beyond the Iron Curtain. However, the deal only concerned a reunified Germany, with further eastward expansion being inconceivable at the time.


so tell me again Putin invaded Ukraine unprovoked?


Controversy in Russia regarding the legitimacy of eastward NATO expansion

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contro...NATO_expansion


NATO added 16 new member states since the dissolution of the Soviet Union









opposing this proxy war does not mean support for Russia.


it means the US should stop its decades old warmongering.


got it?

[Charley3]

Not sure how voluntarily joining NATO equates to invading countries but whatever blows your dress up.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by Charley3

Not sure how voluntarily joining NATO equates to invading countries but whatever blows your dress up.

not sure why breaking promises of no NATO expansion would piss off vlad the commie.


care to explain why it wouldn't?

[berryberry]

Ukraine funding is the biggest money-laundering grift in history.

[Big Daddy Joe]

Your articles very first sentence says the Kremlin claims,... who besides you and a few others of questionable loyalty to this country that are on this site give two shits about what the Kremlin claims?
Here's the facts, until 2014 Ukraine has no intention of joining NATO until Russia invaded Crimea, then and only then did it become a priority.
And besides that who besides Putin and of course you thinks they can tell the Ukraine or all of the other former Warsaw pact countries or any of the countries of Europe for that matter, that they cannot practice freedom of association.
Why would you think that a country must stick to an agreement made 30 years ago by two men not even of their country dictating their future choices?
You all liked that dictating part!
I'll bet when you saw the word you had to wipe your lips, huh?
But I digress!
Ukraine is practicing freedom!
Just as Finland recently did!
That is freedom like it or not! Ukraine is fighting OUR war!
Bankrupting our enemy, draining his treasury and killing him in the process!
Russia has always been our sworn enemy, except for the trump years!
And as I said to another one of your fellow travelers before!
Our treasury can stand the strain, thiers can't!
Sleepy Joe can send all of the old M16's and worn out Bradleys he wants!
I get a kick out of knowing those old M16's are finally being pointed in the right direction!
Get some Sleepy!
Fuck Putin!

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

Biden is a incompetent stooge puppet doing what the neo-con warmongers tell him to do

now about those theories ...

seems like they are facts ...


https://www.france24.com/en/russia/2...ng-to-the-east


The origin of the betrayal claim

To understand Russia’s claims of betrayal, it is necessary to review the reassurances then US secretary of state James A. Baker made to former Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev during a meeting on February 9, 1990. In a discussion on the status of a reunited Germany, the two men agreed that NATO would not extend past the territory of East Germany, a promise repeated by NATO’s secretary general in a speech on May 17 that same year in Brussels.


Russia and the West finally struck an agreement in September that would allow NATO to station its troops beyond the Iron Curtain. However, the deal only concerned a reunified Germany, with further eastward expansion being inconceivable at the time.


so tell me again Putin invaded Ukraine unprovoked?


Controversy in Russia regarding the legitimacy of eastward NATO expansion

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contro...NATO_expansion


NATO added 16 new member states since the dissolution of the Soviet Union









opposing this proxy war does not mean support for Russia.


it means the US should stop its decades old warmongering.


got it?

[going4itnow]

Gone for months and this entire board is still spammed by berry and his political off gassing. Reminds me of why I left this place, and it's time for another exit.

[Charley3]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

not sure why breaking promises of no NATO expansion would piss off vlad the commie.


care to explain why it wouldn't?

A “supposed” promise that the Kremlin claims were made 34 years ago. Do you want to look at Putin’s broken promises? Chinas?

Come on. You can’t be this naive.

[tommy156]

Originally Posted by Charley3

A “supposed” promise that the Kremlin claims were made 34 years ago. Do you want to look at Putin’s broken promises? Chinas?

Come on. You can’t be this naive.

I hope you aren't expecting them to answer any questions like this directly. They'll just deflect and distract, as usual.

[berryberry]

Does anyone know of any leftists and warmongers that have volunteered to go to Ukraine and fight?

I haven't seen reports of any on the news or elsewhere

Maybe they have seen the Ukraine has attacked it's own people in the past. Or perhaps they just lack balls - unwilling to back up their cheering on this war

I mean, why wouldn't they want to go and fight besides Nazis for dear old Ukraine?

[berryberry]

Ukraine Jails Senior Orthodox Clerics

Freedom, baby, freedom !!!

[tommy156]

Who's cheering on this war? I've said repeatedly in this thread alone that the war could, and should, end immediately. The ball's entirely in Putin's court - despite all of the bullshit excuses some of you make for him to be there.

[berryberry]

Originally Posted by tommy156

Who's cheering on this war? I've said repeatedly in this thread alone that the war could, and should, end immediately. The ball's entirely in Putin's court - despite all of the bullshit excuses some of you make for him to be there.

You are cheering it on - constantly

You don't support a realistic peaceful settlement.

As Jacuzzme noted, you are bloodthirsty cheering on the war yet you are unwilling to sign up and go fight and put yourself in harm's way. Why is that?

[HDGristle]

He can sign up for the Ukranians side. You can sign up for the Russians.

Deal?

[Charley3]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

He can sign up for the Ukranians side. You can sign up for the Russians.

Deal?

He might take you up on that. Lol

So B2 is asking for Americans to help directly by fighting the Russians. That sounds like a brilliant idea to end this war.

[berryberry]

Originally Posted by Charley3

So B2 is asking for Americans to help directly by fighting the Russians. That sounds like a brilliant idea to end this war.

Nope - I am pointing out the sheer hypocrisy of the leftists and warmongers who don't want a realistic peaceful negotiated settlement and want the killing to continue

So are you volunteering to go fight for dear old Ukraine alongside their Nazi's ???