Please list/mention Obama's Accomplishments

[F-Sharp]

Originally Posted by Wyldeman30

The only thing we have done is pass to raise the debt ceiling....

Ya know Wyldeman, since you're batting a big fat ZERO so far, you may want to strongly consider that everything you think you know is completely wrong.

"President Barack Obama signed the budget agreement covering federal spending for the remainder of the current fiscal year on Friday, bringing an end to any remaining fears of a government shutdown." ~ Posted April 15, 2011

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-04-15/p..._s=PM:POLITICS

"President Barack Obama has signed the FY 2009 federal budget into law, representing final action on the budget for the current fiscal year. The budget adds new targeted and mainstream resources to prevent and end homelessness in the nation." ~ Posted 3/12/2009

http://www.nchv.org/news_article.cfm?id=506

[WyldemanATX]

Originally Posted by F-Sharp

Ya know Wyldeman, since you're batting a big fat ZERO so far, you may want to strongly consider that everything you think you know is completely wrong.

"President Barack Obama signed the budget agreement covering federal spending for the remainder of the current fiscal year on Friday, bringing an end to any remaining fears of a government shutdown." ~ Posted April 15, 2011

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-04-15/p..._s=PM:POLITICS

"President Barack Obama has signed the FY 2009 federal budget into law, representing final action on the budget for the current fiscal year. The budget adds new targeted and mainstream resources to prevent and end homelessness in the nation." ~ Posted 3/12/2009

http://www.nchv.org/news_article.cfm?id=506

HE has never passed an actual FUCKING BUDGET.....EVER Wake up and smell urine you are drinking...

Do you actually read the links before you post them???? It is a budget deal to get us through the fiscal year....Not an actual budget shit for brains. It is a band aid on a broken leg....

[F-Sharp]

Originally Posted by Wyldeman30

HE has never passed an actual FUCKING BUDGET.

The President requests budgets. The President signs or vetoes budgets. But the President doesn't pass budgets. Never has and never will.

Again, try Appropriations and the Budget Process 101

Don't you ever get tired of being wrong 100% of the time?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011...et-books-2011/

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/..._passes_1.html

http://articles.cnn.com/2009-04-03/p..._s=PM:POLITICS

http://www.rolandsmartin.com/blog/in...e-oval-office/

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politic...ipartisan-nope

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?se...ics&id=8073257

http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktl...,5648026.story

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/15/us...5congress.html

http://content.usatoday.com/communit...-republicans/1

[WyldemanATX]

Originally Posted by F-Sharp

Don't you ever get tired of being wrong 100% of the time?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011...et-books-2011/

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/..._passes_1.html

http://articles.cnn.com/2009-04-03/p..._s=PM:POLITICS

http://www.rolandsmartin.com/blog/in...e-oval-office/

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politic...ipartisan-nope

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?se...ics&id=8073257

http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktl...,5648026.story

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/15/us...5congress.html

http://content.usatoday.com/communit...-republicans/1

I am not wrong it is a provisional budget....Do you know what that means it is just a patch work to get us through until the next crisis.....There is no long term budget. Do you ever get tired of being a drone that is incapable of thinking for yourself???? I guess you got to wait and see what the media tells you what to say next huh. Who will the villain be after the Tea Party tune in next week for details on all your liberal News Media..... Keep on posting up links to stuff you are incapable of understanding buddy....

[F-Sharp]

Originally Posted by Wyldeman30

I am not wrong it is a provisional budget.

So now you're really trying to tell me and the rest of the population who are perfectly capable of reading how budget and appropriations work that everyone, including the Federal Government themselves have it all completely wrong and it's the President who is responsible for writing and passing provisional budgets or otherwise?

Here's a link for you Wyldeman:

http://newsite.mhatexas.org/

Now go get your fucking head checked before you hurt someone.

[DTorrchia]

http://www.cafetax.com/2010/09/20/bu...ing-the-truth/

"So what is the answer to the million (trillion) dollar question? It doesn’t seem accurate to say Obama has spent more than any other president ever or combined. It does seem accurate to ascertain that he has contributed to the federal debt and deficit at levels never seen before in a single year. This of course comes with its share of mitigating and aggravating arguments. The problem that faces us today is not all Obama’s fault, and it’s not all Bush’s fault, it’s the compilation of two offices that have spent recklessly and left people wondering about the health of our financial future. To conclude the original point, those chain emails are wrong, Obama has not spent more than any president ever. Not yet at least."

[F-Sharp]

Originally Posted by DTorrchia

http://www.cafetax.com/2010/09/20/bu...ing-the-truth/

"So what is the answer to the million (trillion) dollar question? It doesn’t seem accurate to say Obama has spent more than any other president ever or combined. It does seem accurate to ascertain that he has contributed to the federal debt and deficit at levels never seen before in a single year. This of course comes with its share of mitigating and aggravating arguments. The problem that faces us today is not all Obama’s fault, and it’s not all Bush’s fault, it’s the compilation of two offices that have spent recklessly and left people wondering about the health of our financial future. To conclude the original point, those chain emails are wrong, Obama has not spent more than any president ever. Not yet at least."

I disagree with this statement based on the fact that ALL of Obama's spending to date is a combination of Bush tax cuts, two wars and a stimulus package enacted due to a recession that started due to Bush's economic meltdown and ultimate recession. It's hard to blame him when those spending measures should not have been there in the first place.

However, I have no problem blaming Obama for not reversing those tax cuts in 2010 when he had the chance, and not getting our troops out of the Middle East the moment he took office. I'm on the fence about the stimulus, I think more could have been done for less, but there's no question that it created jobs and pumped some dough back in to our economy.

Agree or disagree? If you don't agree, why?

[DTorrchia]

The figures I've seen actually point to the fact that the stimulus did little to revitalize our economy. The Tax cuts can't and shouldn't last forever. However simply ending the tax cuts won't solve our economical woes.
If he had pulled the troops out as soon as he took office it would have been disastrous for both Iraq and Afghanistan's population. It's arguable whether we should care about that or not but that's for another debate. The Iraq draw down was handled responsibly in my opinion and was done as quick as was possible taking into consideration the safety of our troops and the population there.
Here's what I'd like to see from Obama or ANY President. Stop being afraid of the "C" word. We continue to be China's whipping boy when it comes to trade. It's time to put an end to that. http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html
We need to penalize U.S. Companies that leave the U.S. and offer more incentives for them to remain in the U.S.
My personal opinion is that the Health Care Plan could have waited. It averted attention from more important matters, it polarized the Congress, Senate and the American people even more than they already had been and it was an expense that we simply didn't need at this point. Revamping Social Security and Medicare would have been much more productive.
As far as the Stimulus, I believe certain Banks and certain Companies should not have been bailed out. Again, I'd encourage you to watch "Inside Job" as to why I feel that way. I don't believe it would have sunk our country, I do believe it would have brought forth meaningful change and regulation.
I would like to see a President try to lead the House and Senate in passing a Balanced Budget Amendment. THEN I'd be glad to do my part in contributing more taxes.

[F-Sharp]

Originally Posted by DTorrchia

The figures I've seen actually point to the fact that the stimulus did little to revitalize our economy. The Tax cuts can't and shouldn't last forever. However simply ending the tax cuts won't solve our economical woes.

Revitalizing I don't think was necessarily the point, keeping us out of a full blown 1929-style depression was. The facts are the stimulus did pump $200 billion in to our economy and if you believe the CBO added 3.7 million jobs. No, we wont be able to pay back the entire National debt by ending the tax cuts alone, but we won't get there ANY other way without ending them in addition to making cuts in some key areas. My vote for key cuts: defense, subsidies, foriegn aid, and Army sponsorship of NASCAR for starters.

Key changes: raise the pay-in cap on Social Security as Robert Reich and a few others have suggested, and raise taxes on capital gains.

"A report by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office shows the Recovery Act has increased the number of workers by between 1.2 million and 2.8 million. The CBO also projects that 3.7 million jobs could be attributed to the stimulus by the end of September."

http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-mone...ted-job-growth

http://www.recovery.gov/Pages/default.aspx

Originally Posted by DTorrchia

If he had pulled the troops out as soon as he took office it would have been disastrous for both Iraq and Afghanistan's population. It's arguable whether we should care about that or not but that's for another debate. The Iraq draw down was handled responsibly in my opinion and was done as quick as was possible taking into consideration the safety of our troops and the population there.

Agreed, but you do recognize this as spending right? Spending these so-called conservatives are jumping up and down screaming about and blaming Obama for!

Originally Posted by DTorrchia

Here's what I'd like to see from Obama or ANY President. Stop being afraid of the "C" word. We continue to be China's whipping boy when it comes to trade. It's time to put an end to that. http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html
We need to penalize U.S. Companies that leave the U.S. and offer more incentives for them to remain in the U.S.

Agreed, and agreed. Tax the shit out of any company sending jobs overseas and offer reasonable tax incentives for them to hire within our shore.

Originally Posted by DTorrchia

My personal opinion is that the Health Care Plan could have waited. It averted attention from more important matters, it polarized the Congress, Senate and the American people even more than they already had been and it was an expense that we simply didn't need at this point.

You may be right, but people have polarized over every single little thing he's done so far. He's just a black man breaking new ground in an elitist white man's world.

Originally Posted by DTorrchia

As far as the Stimulus, I believe certain Banks and certain Companies should not have been bailed out.

Don't confuse Obama's stimulus with Bush's TARP and the auto bailouts. Other than that, AGREED...caps intended. We to put an end to corporate welfare, period. End of story.

Originally Posted by DTorrchia

I would like to see a President try to lead the House and Senate in passing a Balanced Budget Amendment. THEN I'd be glad to do my part in contributing more taxes.

Agreed. A REAL balanced budget ammendment, not some flimsy Tea Party ruse that includes a Prop 13 bullshit back door to keeping the Bush tax cuts in place.

Thanks for having an adult conversation!

[WyldemanATX]

Originally Posted by F-Sharp

So now you're really trying to tell me and the rest of the population who are perfectly capable of reading how budget and appropriations work that everyone, including the Federal Government themselves have it all completely wrong and it's the President who is responsible for writing and passing provisional budgets or otherwise?

Here's a link for you Wyldeman:

http://newsite.mhatexas.org/

Now go get your fucking head checked before you hurt someone.

Do you understand a budget????? Obama and both GOP/DEMs have only made a patch work to get us through the year.....

I guess you do not understand what budget planning is since you have never owned and operated a business...

Their you go again resorting to insults....

BTW the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result. I would say you and our Government have an issue....

[F-Sharp]

Originally Posted by Wyldeman30

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Exactly. Now tell me who "They" are, and what exacly happened to

Originally Posted by Wyldeman30

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Make up your fucking mind already. You're making my head explode.

Now, go back and tell me just how many times supplemental appropriations have been utilized since 1970.

http://www.cbo.gov/publications/coll....cfm?collect=3

[WyldemanATX]

No back peddling there is just enough to BS to go around for all of DC.....

Obama is the Leader and the buck stops with his ass....

I hope your head explodes that would be awesome....

[F-Sharp]

Originally Posted by Wyldeman30

No back peddling there is just enough to BS to go around for all of DC.....

Obama is the Leader and the buck stops with his ass....

I hope your head explodes that would be awesome....

[WyldemanATX]

I guess you do not retain information very well... I do not like anyone in government they are all on the same side. It is just WWE to fool the masses old man...Obama is in charge and has not shown any since of leadership yet....I guess you have alzheimer's. I am not going to reverse my stance Gomer Pile...

[DTorrchia]

Originally Posted by F-Sharp

Revitalizing I don't think was necessarily the point, keeping us out of a full blown 1929-style depression was. The facts are the stimulus did pump $200 billion in to our economy and if you believe the CBO added 3.7 million jobs. No, we wont be able to pay back the entire National debt by ending the tax cuts alone, but we won't get there ANY other way without ending them in addition to making cuts in some key areas. My vote for key cuts: defense, subsidies, foriegn aid, and Army sponsorship of NASCAR for starters.

When you're talking defense cuts, I'd have to see what's on the table before I agree. I don't believe we should cut the number of our forces, close bases etc. There are numerous weapons programs that aren't essential. These should be cut. The war in Afghanistan will either be won using unconventional troops or it won't be won at all. We are wasting money and resources there, no doubt. Yet, we can't simply pack up and go home. A presence of Spec Ops troops, diplomats etc needs to remain there to stop that country from sliding completely back into the madness of the 1990's.

I did some math on the illegal immigrant criminals. Not those in the Federal system, there for only violating immigration laws. I'm talking about the ones in state and county prison and jails. There's approximately
300,000 locked up currently for actual crimes. It's costing counties and states approximately $35,000 per year per inmate to house, guard and feed them.
That's $10,500,000,000 annually we're spending on criminal illegal aliens.

I'd much rather pay that money for stationing National Guard troops on our border.


Key changes: raise the pay-in cap on Social Security as Robert Reich and a few others have suggested, and raise taxes on capital gains.

"A report by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office shows the Recovery Act has increased the number of workers by between 1.2 million and 2.8 million. The CBO also projects that 3.7 million jobs could be attributed to the stimulus by the end of September."

http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-mone...ted-job-growth

http://www.recovery.gov/Pages/default.aspx

Agreed, but you do recognize this as spending right? Spending these so-called conservatives are jumping up and down screaming about and blaming Obama for!

I do recognize it as spending. Personally, I would have looked for a different option for dealing with Hussein other than a full scale invasion. That would have saved us Billions. I saw with my own eyes PALLETS of cash that we brought into that country with no real accountability or oversight on how it was spent. Waste!




Agreed, and agreed. Tax the shit out of any company sending jobs overseas and offer reasonable tax incentives for them to hire within our shore.




You may be right, but people have polarized over every single little thing he's done so far. He's just a black man breaking new ground in an elitist white man's world.

Come on, I expect more out of you. Let's not use his race as an excuse for EITHER side. Fact is, even his supporters are terribly disappointed in him. You want to know why. Not because of his race, not even based on his policies alone. What repulses people, including many of his supporters, is that he turned out to be a complete FRAUD. You see, having unpopular polices is one thing. The fact is though that IN HIS OWN WORDS he gave people the impression that he would change the nature of politics in Washington. He committed the sin of giving people HOPE and making them BELIEVE that he was committed to change. Instead, he cowered down from fights, he got in bed with special interests no different than Bush before him, he made back door deals and his promise of "transparency" has become the joke of his administration.
These are the reasons people are fed up with him. In other words, if you're going to be a liberal, be a liberal and stand up for your beliefs. But don't go blaming conservatives for the way they conduct business in Washington and then get in bed with the very same people, sell yourself to the lobbyists and fail to set yourself apart on the issues you promised change on.
This is why he has failed and this is why people say he isn't a LEADER and I have to agree.
I've disagreed with Colin Powell on some issues but I think he would have been 10 times the better leader for our Nation than Obama has turned out to be.




Don't confuse Obama's stimulus with Bush's TARP and the auto bailouts. Other than that, AGREED...caps intended. We to put an end to corporate welfare, period. End of story.



Agreed. A REAL balanced budget ammendment, not some flimsy Tea Party ruse that includes a Prop 13 bullshit back door to keeping the Bush tax cuts in place.

I've already stated that the Bush tax cuts cannot and should not remain in place but I stress that increasing taxes only works if you cut spending.
Thanks for having an adult conversation!

No problem!