‘The Affordable Care Act: 5 Years Later’ (WH.gov)

[dirty dog]

[QUOTE=WombRaider;1056942458]What moron didn't know that would happen? Apparently a whole bunch of people on the left to include the president, or was he lying? And the fact that you label it as a giveaway illustrates your basic lack of knowledge about what it even is. You don't know where your taxes go now, why the bitching? It's always something about giveaways and taking money out of your pocket, when you don't even fucking have a tenuous grasp on the ACA and what it's doing. Any numbnuts with passing knowledge of an actuarial table knew that premiums would have to increase for someone when a large number of people with pre-existing conditions were added to the insurance pool. Well, when you have the President saying that the cost of healthcare would go down, most people tend to believe what the president tells them and don't walk around with actuarial tables. The costs are stabilising and will continue to stabilise.

FYI, smelly old turdfly has me ignore because he's a pussy.Must be the same reason you put ole Rey on ignore, so your saying your a pussy[/QUOTE]

Iam just saying, most of the free world isn't privy to the talking points put out by the liberal left to its minions, like you Woodrider, and in reality most people are concerned about taxes, unless their income is derived from illicit activities, why aren't you concerned vato. Aren't many ways for someone your age to make the kind of money you claim, but that's a subject we cant get into. Well heading down to the La raza convention, lots of out of town chica's to plunder.

[Ex-CEO]

Originally Posted by flghtr65

The information in your link is the same information that is in post #1. From your link.

Last week Oregon’s insurance commissioner, Laura Cali, announced that the state had approved a 25 percent premium increase for the largest health insurer on the state’s exchanges. The second largest insurer did even better: It received permission to boost its monthly charge to consumers by 33 percent.
Oregon might be the first health insurance exchange equivalent of a penguin getting shoved off an ice floe, but it won’t be alone in the freezing-cold waters for long. For example, BlueCross BlueShield of Tennessee requested an average 36 percent price increase for the plans it offers—after receiving a 19 percent bump last year. And that sounds like a relative bargain compared with Minnesota and New Mexico, where the BlueCross BlueShield family is looking for increases of more than 50 percent. Even if the final numbers are lower than the asks, it seems quite likely these states will approve substantive premium increases.


Did you read post #1. Did you understand what you read? What both links are saying is that THERE ARE UNBALENCED RISK POOLS IN SOME OF THE STATES ON THE GOVERNMENT EXCHANGES.

When there is a risk pool imbalance the health insurance provider will lose money because premium collected is less than claims paid out. What happened with BCBS in the state of Tenn. is a perfect example of this. BCBS of Tenn lost 140 million dollars on just a small number of policy holders "WHO WERE ALRADY SICK".

The health insurance companies are asking for the rate hikes because they see an unbalanced risk pool in a particular state.

The these rate hikes will level off by 2017 because the CBO has projected that the number of people buying health insurance on the exchanges will be 25 million and we are at 20 million now. The percentage of insured is up to 92% for all citizens under age 65. There are not that many uninsured people left who can go into the exchanges. Once you hit age 65 you go to Medicare which is a single payer system.

The individual mandate was put in place with the hope that on the government exchanges there would be balanced risk pools in every state. So far that has not happened thus health insurance companies are asking for these large premium increases.

OK, now that's much better! You made it through the entire post without calling anyone an idiot or a moron. See how easy that was?

The essential problem with your line of argument, though, is that you cherry-pick little items in a forlorn effort to put some pretty lipstick on a bloated hog. A beautiful flower here and a green shoot there do not a healthy landscape make.

For starters, note that the existence of all the unbalanced risk pools is an obvious consequence of the failure of policy makers to bother to think things through before engaging in all the special interest dealmaking and other shenanigans employed while hastily cramming this clusterfuck through congress. None of these people, from Obama to congressional leaders of both parties, give a flying fuck whether the legislation is worth a shit or not; only whether support or opposition can further their political ambitions.

If congress and the next administration jack around with it enough, they might succeed in morphing Obamacare into a reasonably popular entitlement expansion, at least to enough of an extent to get candidates through the next election cycle. You can do a lot with taxed, borrowed, and printed money. For a while, anyway.

[Ex-CEO]

Originally Posted by WombRaider

Pay attention, shitass. You aren't capable of discussion, it seems, without resorting to this behavior, so it's what you'll be dealt in return. You speak of childish insults while hurling insults of your own just posts earlier. Go fuck yourself. Disagreeing with someone is not obnoxious behavior. Or are you Stalin now and outlawing all opposing thought?

BTW, as for my life, in the immortal words of Kanye, by way of 50 cent:

If they hate, let 'em hate and watch the money pile up.

My life is better than yours has any hope of being. Ever. I made my nut and I'm out. By all means, keep going to your 9-5 dead-end job. I'm as lucky as you are old and ugly. Don't waste one goddamn second worrying about how many posts I have or what I do while away my days. You're all cats. And I laugh as I watch you play with the string while I dangle it in front of your idiotic faces.

No, YOU pay attention, asshole. I challenged you to point out any instance where I insulted someone whose previous posts don't fully warrant being called out for repeatedly obnoxious behavior. You didn't, did you? That's because you can't. And when did I say that disagreeing with someone constitutes obnoxious behavior? (Oh, that's right! I didn't, did I?)

And I'm not 'worrying' about your post count, genius. I'm ridiculing it. See the difference?

So you "made your nut" and are "out," eh? Retired early and wealthy, are you?. Riiiiiight! If that's the case, then I'm a Forbes 400 member. How many people do think are going to believe you? Dunno, but I'm guessing it's about the same number as believe that the dozens-of-times-per-day poster who used the handle "UnderConstruction" isn't you. Yet you continually deny that, obviously indicating that you're an inveterate liar. Your cred is right down there with that of your Gruber-assisted #1 political hero.

For those who want to check out something that's even more ridiculous, just click on the "review" linked below this clown's bloated post count: An unattractive, overweight, $150/hr. Backpage hooker. Yes, just the sort of choice typically made by a successful guy!

Look, under ordinary circumstances I would never begrudge a guy's choice of escort, no matter how unappealing. There's someone for every budget. But it's funny to see an obnoxious, insecure jackass who boasts of his wealth post something like that. This bozo is so much of an asshole that I just couldn't resist.

WombRaider, you're obviously nothing more than a broke fucking loser with no life. And everyone who participates in this forum knows it!

[southtown4488]

Originally Posted by gnadfly

Bullshit. That's what I and other posters keep telling dumbasses like you and fighty. My health insurance premium keep skyrocketing. You can post as many stats from the feds that you want, the fact is that my private insurance which is primarily paid for by my employer, keep going up. The only people who have posted in this forum who say their premiums have gone down are those with pre-existing conditions.


The percentage of uninsured Americans have dropped primarily because of the increase in Medicaid which others pay for. Last year, after the drops of privately insured was taken into account at the beginning of the year, and the drops of those who didn't keep up with their premium, there was very little, if any, gain in privately insured.

You should really read the Slate article ex-CEO posted. I'm living it.

ur entitled to ur own opinions, ur not entitled to ur own facts. the facts are stated are true, plain and simple. the fact that u feel the need throw out verbal insults on the internet shows the kind of argument u have. I didn't say premiums have gone down, I said the rate of increase has gone down, because it has. theres more to this debate than ur specific premiums.

I much prefer to live in a society where poor kids with chronic/terminal illness are not denied treatment because they cant get insurance. . that's just my opinion, if that makes me a dumbass in ur book, cool.

[Rey Lengua]

Originally Posted by Ex-CEO

No, YOU pay attention, asshole. I challenged you to point out any instance where I insulted someone whose previous posts don't fully warrant being called out for repeatedly obnoxious behavior. You didn't, did you? That's because you can't. And when did I say that disagreeing with someone constitutes obnoxious behavior? (Oh, that's right! I didn't, did I?)

And I'm not 'worrying' about your post count, genius. I'm ridiculing it. See the difference?

So you "made your nut" and are "out," eh? Retired early and wealthy, are you?. Riiiiiight! If that's the case, then I'm a Forbes 400 member. How many people do think are going to believe you? Dunno, but I'm guessing it's about the same number as believe that the dozens-of-times-per-day poster who used the handle "UnderConstruction" isn't you. Yet you continually deny that, obviously indicating that you're an inveterate liar. Your cred is right down there with that of your Gruber-assisted #1 political hero.

For those who want to check out something that's even more ridiculous, just click on the "review" linked below this clown's bloated post count: An unattractive, overweight, $150/hr. Backpage hooker. Yes, just the sort of choice typically made by a successful guy!

Look, under ordinary circumstances I would never begrudge a guy's choice of escort, no matter how unappealing. There's someone for every budget. But it's funny to see an obnoxious, insecure jackass who boasts of his wealth post something like that. This bozo is so much of an asshole that I just couldn't resist.

WombRaider, you're obviously nothing more than a broke fucking loser with no life. And everyone who participates in this forum knows it!

Maybe it was that experience with the $ 150 backpage hooker that drove him to " looking for love " at all of the Arkansas glory holes !

[WombRaider]

Originally Posted by Ex-CEO

OK, now that's much better! You made it through the entire post without calling anyone an idiot or a moron. See how easy that was?

The essential problem with your line of argument, though, is that you cherry-pick little items in a forlorn effort to put some pretty lipstick on a bloated hog. A beautiful flower here and a green shoot there do not a healthy landscape make.

For starters, note that the existence of all the unbalanced risk pools is an obvious consequence of the failure of policy makers to bother to think things through before engaging in all the special interest dealmaking and other shenanigans employed while hastily cramming this clusterfuck through congress. None of these people, from Obama to congressional leaders of both parties, give a flying fuck whether the legislation is worth a shit or not; only whether support or opposition can further their political ambitions.

If congress and the next administration jack around with it enough, they might succeed in morphing Obamacare into a reasonably popular entitlement expansion, at least to enough of an extent to get candidates through the next election cycle. You can do a lot with taxed, borrowed, and printed money. For a while, anyway.

Wrong. Why do you think the penalty increases each year? It's a cattle prod to get younger, healthier people to purchase insurance, thus balancing the pool. There was never going to be a pretty way to accept all the people with pre-existing conditions, etc., without some growing pains, it was just never going to happen.

[WombRaider]

Originally Posted by southtown4488

ur entitled to ur own opinions, ur not entitled to ur own facts. the facts are stated are true, plain and simple. the fact that u feel the need throw out verbal insults on the internet shows the kind of argument u have. I didn't say premiums have gone down, I said the rate of increase has gone down, because it has. theres more to this debate than ur specific premiums.

I much prefer to live in a society where poor kids with chronic/terminal illness are not denied treatment because they cant get insurance. . that's just my opinion, if that makes me a dumbass in ur book, cool.

Exactly, he wants to say that the premiums have gone up across the board, then points to his own personal situation as evidence. That's not how it works. I'm also with you on chronic/terminal poor children, but then we already know that conservatives are some of the most heartless people there are.

[WombRaider]

Originally Posted by Ex-CEO

No, YOU pay attention, asshole. I challenged you to point out any instance where I insulted someone whose previous posts don't fully warrant being called out for repeatedly obnoxious behavior. You didn't, did you? That's because you can't. And when did I say that disagreeing with someone constitutes obnoxious behavior? (Oh, that's right! I didn't, did I?)

And I'm not 'worrying' about your post count, genius. I'm ridiculing it. See the difference?

So you "made your nut" and are "out," eh? Retired early and wealthy, are you?. Riiiiiight! If that's the case, then I'm a Forbes 400 member. How many people do think are going to believe you? Dunno, but I'm guessing it's about the same number as believe that the dozens-of-times-per-day poster who used the handle "UnderConstruction" isn't you. Yet you continually deny that, obviously indicating that you're an inveterate liar. Your cred is right down there with that of your Gruber-assisted #1 political hero.

For those who want to check out something that's even more ridiculous, just click on the "review" linked below this clown's bloated post count: An unattractive, overweight, $150/hr. Backpage hooker. Yes, just the sort of choice typically made by a successful guy!

Look, under ordinary circumstances I would never begrudge a guy's choice of escort, no matter how unappealing. There's someone for every budget. But it's funny to see an obnoxious, insecure jackass who boasts of his wealth post something like that. This bozo is so much of an asshole that I just couldn't resist.

WombRaider, you're obviously nothing more than a broke fucking loser with no life. And everyone who participates in this forum knows it!

Who are you to fucking judge what someone warrants? You bloviating dickbag. Oh no, my cred on a hooker board is shot. Whatever will I do? Are you fucking serious? I am retired. And I'm not even 40. Believe it or not, I don't give a goddamn. You're opinion, along with the opinion of others on here, doesn't do jack shit for me. As for my choice of provider, that's really none of your business and the fact that you would make the observations you did, shows the kind of low-life loser that you really are. Have fun working yourself into an early grave, you piece of shit.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by WombRaider

Who are you to fucking judge what someone warrants? You bloviating dickbag. Oh no, my cred on a hooker board is shot. Whatever will I do? Are you fucking serious? I am retired. And I'm not even 40. Believe it or not, I don't give a goddamn. You're opinion, along with the opinion of others on here, doesn't do jack shit for me. As for my choice of provider, that's really none of your business and the fact that you would make the observations you did, shows the kind of low-life loser that you really are. Have fun working yourself into an early grave, you piece of shit.

What you are is a liar, you "#Grubered", freelance faggot, Odumbo Minion from Arkansas.

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

What you are is a liar, you "#Grubered", freelance faggot, Odumbo Minion from Arkansas.

You would be the liar, IBIdiot.

Having fun, dipshit?

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

You would be the liar, IBIdiot.

Having fun, dipshit?

It's always fun to lampoon your intellectual decrepitude, you Mussulman-luvin, Hitler worshipping, lying, hypocritical, racist, cum-gobbling golem fucktard, HDDB, DEM; you're always forgetting:

[Rey Lengua]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

What you are is a liar, you "#Grubered", freelance faggot, Odumbo Minion from Arkansas.

Hope that he slips up one day in one of his rants and list's his REAL occupation : cum guzzling, lying liberal glory hole attendant for Talleywackers !!! He'll never own up to it and admit it otherwise.

[Ex-CEO]

Originally Posted by WombRaider

Who are you to fucking judge what someone warrants? You bloviating dickbag. Oh no, my cred on a hooker board is shot. Whatever will I do? Are you fucking serious? I am retired. And I'm not even 40. Believe it or not, I don't give a goddamn. You're opinion, along with the opinion of others on here, doesn't do jack shit for me. As for my choice of provider, that's really none of your business and the fact that you would make the observations you did, shows the kind of low-life loser that you really are. Have fun working yourself into an early grave, you piece of shit.

Now, now! A bit touchy today, are you?

OK, put this in your pipe and smoke it, asshole. Please give a yes or no answer to this very simple question. At some point in the aforementioned review of that low-end BP hooker, did you happen to note that you had a hard time scheduling with her due to difficulties with your work schedule? If "yes," then please explain how that squares with your claim that you're retired and wealthy. (This should be fun!)

Your bullshit ain't working very well for you this time, is it?

[WombRaider]

Originally Posted by Ex-CEO

Now, now! A bit touchy today, are you?

OK, put this in your pipe and smoke it, asshole. Please give a yes or no answer to this very simple question. At some point in the aforementioned review of that low-end BP hooker, did you happen to note that you had a hard time scheduling with her due to difficulties with your work schedule? If "yes," then please explain how that squares with your claim that you're retired and wealthy. (This should be fun!)

Your bullshit ain't working very well for you this time, is it?

I'm not sure how you warrant any explanation. I'll give you the Cliff's Notes version. I developed a handful of apps, a couple of which were very successful. In fact, I would almost bet that if you have an iphone, you have at least one of them on your phone right now. I had always wanted to travel and write, but never had the means before that. So that's what I do. I travel and write for a travel blog. I work as little or as much as I want, but being that I get to see some pretty amazing places, I stay gone a lot. I'm gone 8-9 months out of the year, usually. So yes, I did have trouble, since I'm rarely home more than a week at a time and it's hard to know exactly when that will be. It's not really any of your business, but there it is. I am retired. I don't have to work, but I get to do something that I love doing.

[Rey Lengua]

"...but I get to do something that I LOVE DOING ." GLORY HOLING !! :w oot_jump: