7 reasons why Ronald Reagan was the worst President of our lifetime

[CuteOldGuy]

Well, this is a strange occurrence. WTF and Munch are actually accurate. There is hope, after all.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

Well, this is a strange occurrence. WTF and Munch are actually accurate. There is hope, after all.

They are not right about Operation Eagle Claw. That operation reflected military unpreparedness stemming from lack of training and Carter's budgetary constraints.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Did this really happen? Or, was it all lip service? The U.S. provided most of the ordinance - at a million dollars per pop, because France and Britain soon exhausted their stock piles. Do you have a hyperlink that documents an actual transfer of funds?

I have scientific evidence...

http://www.fas.org/

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by WTF

I have scientific evidence...

http://www.fas.org/

You gotta do better than that - that's only a home page - and you needed my help to find it in the first place.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

They are not right about Operation Eagle Claw. That operation reflected military unpreparedness stemming from lack of training and Carter's budgetary constraints.

What?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Eagle_Claw



The plan called for a minimum of six helicopters; eight were sent in.[3] Two helicopters could not navigate through a very fine sand cloud (a haboob) which forced one helicopter to crash land and the other to return to the aircraft carrier USS Nimitz (CVN-68). Six helicopters reached the initial rendezvous point, Desert One, but one of them had damaged its hydraulic systems. The spares were on one of the two helicopters that had aborted. From the early planning stages, it had been determined that if fewer than six operational helicopters were available, then the mission would be automatically aborted, even though only four were absolutely necessary for the operation.[3] In a move still debated,[4] the commanders on the scene requested to abort the mission; Carter gave his approval.
Bluebeard 6 was grounded and abandoned in the desert when its Marine pilots interpreted a sensor indication as a cracked rotor blade. Its crew was picked up by Bluebeard 8. Then, the remaining helicopters ran into an unexpected weather phenomenon known as a haboob (fine particles of sand suspended to a milky consistency in the air following dissipation of a thunderstorm). Bluebeard 5 flew into the haboob, but abandoned the mission and returned to the Nimitz when erratic flight control instrumentation made navigating without visual reference points impossible, just 25 minutes from clear air. The scattered formation reached Desert One, 50 to 90 minutes behind schedule. Bluebeard 2 arrived at Desert One with a malfunctioning second-stage hydraulics system (which powers the number-one automatic flight control system and a portion of the primary flight controls) leaving one hydraulics system to control the aircraft

Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

. He was told that they needed at least 10, eight for the mission and two backups. Carter said they would use eight only (micromanaging the professionals). .

Link?

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by WTF

What?

Operation Eagle Claw reflected military unpreparedness stemming from lack of training and Carter's budgetary constraints.

Originally Posted by WTF

Link

Guests of the Ayatollah: The First Battle in America's War with Militant Islam by Mark Bowden

[WTF]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Did this really happen? Or, was it all lip service? The U.S. provided most of the ordinance - at a million dollars per pop, because France and Britain soon exhausted their stock piles. Do you have a hyperlink that documents an actual transfer of funds?

Of course it did not happen just as Iraq repaying us for the cost of that war, as Cheney said they would, did not happen!

When it comes to Defense Contractors making money...things never are as they should be

[WTF]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Operation Eagle Claw reflected military unpreparedness stemming from lack of training and Carter's budgetary constraints. Guests of the Ayatollah: The First Battle in America's War with Militant Islam by Mark Bowden

And yes even the military has budget restraints? Suprise Suprise! If not we would be broker than we are now! Fuc. Every President has had to deal with budget restraints. You could use that excuse on every military failure. Oh wait, we do.

So back to the revelant accusations...

How do you train for this?...a haboob?

Then, the remaining helicopters ran into an unexpected weather phenomenon known as a haboob (fine particles of sand suspended to a milky consistency in the air following dissipation of a thunderstorm).

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by WTF

And yes even the military has budget restraints? Suprise Suprise! If not we would be broker than we are now! Fuc. Every President has had to deal with budget restraints. You could use that excuse on every military failure. Oh wait, we do.

Originally Posted by WTF

So back to the revelant accusations...

How do you train for this?...a haboob?

Then, the remaining helicopters ran into an unexpected weather phenomenon known as a haboob (fine particles of sand suspended to a milky consistency in the air following dissipation of a thunderstorm).

You would do well to read Bowden's book. There are certain accusations made that are not repeated in the wikipedia article you are citing. Delta Force helicopter pilots were not trained to fly the RH-53D Sea Stallions; hence, the helicopter pilots in Operation Eagle Claw were not Delta Force trained. Plain and simple.

BTW, look at the footnotes for the wiki article you're using - it's predominantly dependent on Bowden's book. Hence, you are only reading an extract from a much more comprehensive source - read that source if you want to understand what happened.

[I B Hankering]

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[WTF]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

You would do well to read Bowden's book. There are certain accusations made that are not repeated in the wikipedia article you are citing. Delta Force helicopter pilots were not trained to fly the RH-53D Sea Stallions; hence, the helicopter pilots in Operation Eagle Claw were not Delta Force trained. Plain and simple.

BTW, look at the footnotes for the wiki article you're using - it's predominantly dependent on Bowden's book. Hence, you are only reading an extract from a much more comprehensive source - read that source if you want to understand what happened.

I do like Bowdens books....

but I doubt that Bowden puts the failure of the mission on Carter.

Most failures are a series of events any which could have changed the coure of things.

Read his BlackHawk down or the war on Pablo. It is a series of misfires, not one specific thing.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

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Ck out post 203

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by WTF

I do like Bowdens books....

but I doubt that Bowden puts the failure of the mission on Carter.

Most failures are a series of events any which could have changed the coure of things.

Training and unit cohesion - both of which were impacted negatively by funding.

Originally Posted by WTF

Read his BlackHawk down or the war on Pablo. It is a series of misfires, not one specific thing.

Read and cataloged.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by WTF

Ck out post 203

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[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by WTF

You are correct, he should have sold nukes to Iran to paid for the Libyan airstrikes. That way you Reagan supporters could have supported Obama for doing exactly like your hero!

are you always this flippant?

Now correct me if I am wrong but I thought we were getting reimbursed on that cost by other countries including Libya? So it seems he did do exactly as Reagan did. He go another source to fund the airstrikes.

I'm not aware of any reports that the U.S was getting reimbursed by its participating allies for support costs.

If you can show that link. I'll shut up about this and say Obama pulled a Reagan.