Mandate Health Insurance?

[nwarounder]

Originally Posted by WTF

Right now costs are going up. What part of that do you not understand. We do not have enough money for everyone to get everything they want. We have to make tough choices in regards to what we want to pay for. Right now the insurance company decides this. It is lies and ignoranced that is half the problem right now. We can argue an priorties but there is no arguing that we do not have enough money now with the present system or the new proposed system. That is a fact

Besides the mandate, this is exactly the problem that you will never get a response from the left or the socialist that makes sense in regards to this bill. Maybe LD can explain why it is that the wealthy in this country have made an absolute fortune off of healthcare insurance companies at the expense of the middle class and the poor since Obamacare was passed, and will continue to do so? Can the wealthy in the UK invest in the government sponsored healthcare and make fortunes off of it?

Is it that hard of a concept for people on both sides to realize?

Show me a law that I can't profit dramatically from, and that is a law that will benefit the poor.

[Don't Be Daft!]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

You are one pathetic creature Af-Fuckup. Your ignorance of current events is dwarfed only by your ignorance of history. You know nothing of naval and British personnel on the ground in Bagram, Kabul, Kandahar, etc., so STFU.

***If I'm being honest the SBS is "NOT" as elite as the US Navy Seals. That is what the SAS is for. We are somewhere in-between your green berets and Navy Seals.

And, I'm far too old and tired to lie. Plus, I'm too busy to go down to my local pub and lie to women( Or, should I say bitches ) as you put it so elegantly. And, I'm on a prostitute website. I'm also not very good at lying I'm afraid.

[Grifter]

Originally Posted by timpage

It was the only way to get the private insurance companies to go along. Note that they are not squawking at all about the legislation? Provides a whole pool of uninsured folks out there for them to get their claws into.

Single-payer would have been best. But, it never would have passed because of the bizarre screaming about socialism. Amazes me that the repukes have no problem letting the government regulate water, air, education, the environment, work-place safety, delivery of mail, delivery of law enforcement services, national defense, and on and on and on......but when big oil, or big pharma, or big insurance doesn't like something that is being proposed, even though it is for the good of the people and is morally the right thing to do....it suddenly becomes the boogiemen from the last century: socialism, communism, big government, blah blah blah. And the idiot sheep like Whirly, JD and all the rest lap it up right out of their asses.

You really think most conservatives dont think the current government doesnt overregulate most of that stuff you named there? Forcing people to buy something and calling it regulation is a complete mischaracterization in my view.

[Af-Freakin]

Originally Posted by liberaldevil

***If I'm being honest the SBS is "NOT" as elite as the US Navy Seals. That is what the SAS is for. We are somewhere in-between your green berets and Navy Seals.

And, I'm far too old and tired to lie. Plus, I'm too busy to go down to my local pub and lie to women( Or, should I say bitches ) as you put it so elegantly. And, I'm on a prostitute website. I'm also not very good at lying I'm afraid.

ur lyin bout ur lyin. ur a great liar. u faggot [no, im not calling u a cigarette u dumb limey bastard]

[blue3122]

Insurance companies are going to dramatically profit from Obamacare. They are going to raise their private insurance rates considerably while laying off a lot of the workforce. During the transition phase, 3 to 6 years, they will be making more than ever. After, they will be making more than ever from each individual customer and since they will be doing it with fewer people, their costs will be lower. Additionally, insurance companies are going to only take the best doctors. So doctors who are more likely to be sued or are not as skilled, will be stuck with government healthcare payments which will be on par with medicaid. This is going to mean fewer doctors for anyone on government healthcare. Welcome to rationing.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by Af-Freakin

I B Hankering4Cock, every morning I get up, I got chunks of guys like u & the limey in my stool.

You weren't in country, and you obviously haven't researched the matter. You have a juvenile, distorted view of history. You are truly a fucked up individual, Af-Fuckup, but that's stating the obvious.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by liberaldevil

***If I'm being honest the SBS is "NOT" as elite as the US Navy Seals. That is what the SAS is for. We are somewhere in-between your green berets and Navy Seals.

And, I'm far too old and tired to lie. Plus, I'm too busy to go down to my local pub and lie to women( Or, should I say bitches ) as you put it so elegantly. And, I'm on a prostitute website. I'm also not very good at lying I'm afraid.

The English have a magnificent history and traditions to match. I proudly worked and served alongside your mates in Afghanistan and other countries. Af-Fuckup is a pathetic creature undeserving of any attention.

[Af-Freakin]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

You weren't in country, and you obviously haven't researched the matter. You have a juvenile, distorted view of history. You are truly a fucked up individual, Af-Fuckup, but that's stating the obvious.

u want 2 deny the poor medical care & u call me fucked up. LOL! ur not only fucked up, ur immoral.

[Af-Freakin]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

The English have a magnificent history and traditions to match. I proudly worked and served alongside your mates in Afghanistan and other countries. Af-Fuckup is a pathetic creature undeserving of any attention.

yes, even the flunkies in "logistics" should b proud 2 serve. LOL!

[CJ7]

Originally Posted by blue3122

Insurance companies are going to dramatically profit from Obamacare. They are going to raise their private insurance rates considerably while laying off a lot of the workforce. During the transition phase, 3 to 6 years, they will be making more than ever. After, they will be making more than ever from each individual customer and since they will be doing it with fewer people, their costs will be lower. Additionally, insurance companies are going to only take the best doctors. So doctors who are more likely to be sued or are not as skilled, will be stuck with government healthcare payments which will be on par with medicaid. This is going to mean fewer doctors for anyone on government healthcare. Welcome to rationing.

should the bill pass, there will be 32 million new people getting heathcare that wasnt insured before the bill passed ... true some lower end jobs will be lost, but condisering the 890,000 new jobs, Dr's, nurses, hospital staff in general, the offset is significant.

NFIB Research Foundation, Jan. 26, 2009: The employer mandate would boost demand for healthcare goods and services, thereby increasing employment in healthcare-related sectors. The number of ambulatory healthcare professionals (physicians, dentists, and other healthcare practitioners) needed will increase by 330,000. An additional 327,000 staff will be required to work in hospitals. Some 157,000 more nurses (net of retirements) will be needed to staff doctors’ offices, outpatient clinics, and other provider locations. And payrolls at insurance companies will expand by 76,000 workers

890,000

[CJ7]

IB, you and al go fuck each others thread-jackin asses

the grownups are about

[blue3122]

CJ, I think you are missing the point. The government is going to pay Medicaid rates for services now paid by insurance companies at 3 to 10 times that rate. This is going to lead to many doctors/hospitals not taking the government plan or walking away. Do you think that 890,000 new jobs will be Drs? No, just administrators/paper pushers. But how can you generate new jobs and not increase costs? Remember that is part of the plan. The simple answer is that it can't happen. Given what is already written, we now that the government will increase bureaucracy by 3 to 4 times what insurance companies have for handling paperwork. The "reinvention" will be a soviet style bureaucracy. (i.e. inefficient). This is not conjecture, it is already written as regulations that have been put forth by HHS. The entire scheme will, probably within 10 years, create a schism of haves/have nots. The haves are those who have private insurance and see doctors/hospitals who take private insurance and not government insurance. This will be a small group consisting of the upper 20% of the socio-economic stratus. The rest will have government insurance where the government is paying doctors/hospitals very low rates and doctors (presumably lower quality doctors than with private insurance) will have much larger patient loads. Expect patient care to go down for this 80%. Hospitals will be rationing due to lack of beds/surgeons/nurses. Or trying to cut costs in unsafe ways. The backfill on all of this is $$$. And those $$$ will come in the form of higher taxes. Not just on income but on a lot of different government services. If the shift is to the states, expect sales/property and other taxes to double or triple in 10 years.

It all comes down to the basic questions "How are you going to pay?" and "Have you thought about the consequences?"

The intended result is healthcare for all, the unintended consequence is that most will get less health care. Please save this and re-read in 2020.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by Af-Freakin

u want 2 deny the poor medical care & u call me fucked up. LOL! ur not only fucked up, ur immoral.

Af-Fuckup, you didn't read that in this thread anymore than you read where there were no British naval personnel in Afghanistan or Iraq in this thread. You made it up, and your fantasies are worse than useless.



Keep on hoisting your ignorance up the flag pole so everyone can give it the middle-finger salute it deserves.

Originally Posted by Af-Freakin

yes, even the flunkies in "logistics" should b proud 2 serve. LOL!

Yes they do -- especially when compared to your useless, pansy ass, Af-Fuckup.

[nwarounder]

Good try blue, no supporter is going to talk about the costs. They were all told, and they believed, that insurance premiums were going to go down. In fact they have not. If you drank the kool-aid, you are not going to discuss and admit the realities of economics, yet stick to the principle of everyone will get healthcare. Noble, but dilusional under this law.

[LovingKayla]

The below post is what I posted on the experiment thread. It applys here and I didn't feel like writting a new one so here ya go.




As my part in this experiment I have been listening to Ed shultz and alex bennitt.

I like both of them for the most part.

I gotta say guys... based SOLELY on what they SAY, I'd side with them. If I didn't know all the nitty gritty guts of what the right has said, I'd be a full blown democrat.

Of course I want everyone to have access to affordable healthcare. I don't know anyone who wouldn't want the very old, the sick and the young to have good access... People my age should also have access, but I have no idea how to fix the problem here. I get the concept of this only working with everyone pitching in.

Please keep in mind I've been listening to the guts of the bill for the last 2 years. The increase of the size and scope of government is unacceptable. You never get back a freedom once it's given to the government. I'm against this bill because of all the shit they aren't broadcasting, not the idea of healthcare for everyone.

I think the Right wants all the same things as the blue left, we just don't agree on how to make it happen. The few good things about this bill do not outweigh all the bad. If you only listen to the Left, you really have no idea why the Right is so adamant about this bills removal. They make the right look soooo terrible. Who wouldn't want to lynch a bunch of fat cats getting rich on the poor. That's not where most of us stand. It's almost as if the left looks only on the surface and ignores the guts on purpose.

Listening to these guys I'd even be HAPPY to pay for the insurance. Man ignorance is bliss. I think if everyone actually learned how much power this would give the government you'd agree it's a bad bill. The concept is not bad, but what they put in it that's hiding behind the good, is bad.

The democrats won't always be in power. Do you really want the republicans having the kind of power this gives them? Republicans suck as badly, if not more so than democrats when it comes to power.



PS. If I were actually a democrat, af freak would be so embarrassing to me I'd change sides.