Overpriced providers.

[roll_with_me]

Originally Posted by HeatherDAngelo

There are not $50 girls and $200 girls and $400 girls and $1000 girls. Instead there are $50 clients, $200 clients, $400 clients and $1000 clients.

I find both of these equally wrong characterization of an individual. The rate an individual charges or pays should not define who they are. There are clients that may pay a $1000 dollar that can be just as big of an asshole as one that pays $200 or $400 dollars. Money doesn't change a person it only magnifies what's already there.

To suggest that price filters out being treated like a piece of meat may be a bit of an overstatement, as well. The level of arrogance may even be higher from a client that pays $1000, however you are being compensated more to put up with similar behavior.

Originally Posted by HeatherDAngelo

You may feel more comfortable with a guy of little means who doesn't think that spending time with a lady is enough of a big deal to save up for it.

This person maybe spending a greater proportion of their disposable income on the an appointment than the client that is paying a $1000.

Originally Posted by HeatherDAngelo

If you are happy and have integrity you will be successful at any rate structure.

Agree.

[Majichands]

Originally Posted by samara

The only time a lady really should Raise her rates is if demand exceeds supply

I was thinking of visiting Alaska a 15 hr plane ride or New York where hotels are damn near 300 a night.. Yeah no I would have to raise my prices for sure.

[Old-T]

Originally Posted by roll_with_me

The topic presented by the OP was “Overpriced Providers”. This thread was doomed from the start due to the very definition of the word “Overpriced”.

Definition: “Overpriced - too costly for the value".

I think you are correct that the initial wording guaranteed there would be some friction in the replies. Essentially by using the "overpriced" adjective the opening salvo insulted--intentionally or not--every lady who charges more than Raw Dog things is reasonable. The bristling reaction should have been no surprise. Words have meaning.

Additionally, no matter how worded, the subject matter is easily internalized by most readers as a slap at them: they are either "wasteful", "greedy", "cheep", or "low-value". No, those words were not used, but when someone is arguing that you are paying an unreasonable amount, charging too much, fixated on the price, or charging less than the "fair market value" then it is very easy for the reader to see an implied insult in a post whether it was there or not.

Actually, given the nature of the topic, I though the discussion stayed pretty calm and some good points were made. And if I am very lucky just maybe a couple of the ladies who have read this thread will see the light and run a ten dollar special for old balding guys so I can afford to see them!

[Gfe Juliette]

Originally Posted by roll_with_me

The topic presented by the OP was “Overpriced Providers”. This thread was doomed from the start due to the very definition of the word “Overpriced”.

Definition: “Overpriced - too costly for the value".

The simple expression of value looks like this:

Value = perceived benefits received / perceived price paid

Value:

The desirability of the service, how much you enjoy it, or what you will give up in order for receive service. Value is not a specific number, but instead a comparison. X amount of money for time with provider vs. what that amount of money could provide in other forms of goods or services. For the client the value of the service will change as perceived price paid and/or perceived benefits received change.

So by the vary definition of the word "Overpriced" it is impossible to have a meaning discussion regarding such a subjective topic.

The mangling of the terms Cost, Value, Worth, Price in this thread made my head hurt. These words are not interchangeable.

Nothing turns me on more than a man with intelligence. I love the way you use your words.

[Gfe Juliette]

Originally Posted by EmilyEzzell

Sally charges 300/hr doesn't mean I can too? Good, because I'm not lowering my rate. My glamour shot is priceless

[IamTheNewGuy]

There is a girl for every price range just like there is an ass for every seat. Doesn't necessarily mean you will get better service or a better seat just because you pay more IMO.

[MaxiMilyen]

Originally Posted by IamTheNewGuy

There is a girl for every price range just like there is an ass for every seat. Doesn't necessarily mean you will get better service or a better seat just because you pay more IMO.

This is why the Hobby gods created research. So one could discover what others think about the various priced seating and whether in their infinite wisdom and opinions of such, others might better be able to determine whether certain seating is worth it or not. Lots of factors to consider and tons of info on most seats....ijs.

[roll_with_me]

Originally Posted by IamTheNewGuy

There is a girl for every price range just like there is an ass for every seat. Doesn't necessarily mean you will get better service or a better seat just because you pay more IMO.

I can't argue with this, because better service and better seat are simply the same value based argument.

I will say that a higher price should include a certain level of comfort and style. I would not expect to pay a higher price, go through a two call system and find myself outside the door of a motel 6.

The actual services provided behind the door of a motel 6 vs. Marriott, Hilton, Ritz, Private Condo - May be the same.

If you are entertained at Motel 6; your enjoyment may be diminished if you are constantly wondering if your car is going to be broken into or if you are going to be mugged on the way back to your car.

The same can be said if you spent more than you can afford. If you’re laying there thinking, damn I could have used this money to upgrade the T.V. in the media room or whatever else you can think of, there’s a great chance that you are going to be disappointed in the service.

These are both Value based arguments that are uniquely personal and subjective.

Over the course of my life and travels; I’ve spent the night in Motel 6’s and in Ritz-Carlton’s; I’ve slept in their beds, used their showers and checked out. Both hotels met my basic needs and were functionally the same, but the level of comfort I experience between the two was quite different.

I have found memories of times when I have stayed in a Motel 6 and when I’ve stayed at the Ritz-Carlton. The next time I travel I don’t think I will be looking to stay in either one of these hotels.

Relax and find where you are comfortable.

PS: The channel selection used to stink at the Ritz-Carlton and Higher End Hotels. In no way do I condone comparing human beings to inanimate objects!

[Sexyhunnypot]

Originally Posted by glade55

heh ^ at the end of the day shes still a whore don't see the point

You have no business seeing any provider if that's how you feel. You sad pathetic little man

[Charlotte Breeze]

Here's what I don't understand about these minding other people's business types of threads...

Let's say, for whatever reason, people listen.

Joe Megabucks says to himself "you know what? You're right. I could easily afford to see the $1,000 lady, but instead I'll see four at $250". What happens to the $250 girl? "Oh, demand went up, now I don't HAVE to spend all day locked in a hotel room seeing 4-5 people cause I can just raise my rates!" Or, she leaves them where they are, and you can't see her because she's so busy with the new and improved clientele who still has more money to spend, no matter the price point the lady takes.

High Dollar Helga says to herself "you're right! I'm seeing 1 person a day at $1,000, but I could see 4-5 at $300 and make $1,200. Bonus bucks!!" Helga quickly realizes she's made a mistake as she reaches the terminal point of burn out, and either quits or raises her rates back up. Or maybe she just becomes Hardy Helga, enduring the higher volume for a few bucks more, and once again, you're SOL because here is a lady who can command much more offering services at a bargain, so people book her right up.

When will people realize that it is the differences that make this a good place for all of us to be?

[stluciaescortcaribbean]

hmm I personally believe the provider's attitude and education level should command a higher price. So I expect a graduate student to charge in the higher ranges.

Why should she charge a low price for escorting? Might as well become a manager/executive and quit escorting all together.

[Randall Creed]

When a provider has met her 'quota' for the day, what's so hard about turning her hobby phone off? Raising one's rates because the phone 'rings off the hook' is just an excuse to raise them. Why can't she have a message set up on her phone that says something like, "Hi, I'm____. I'm sorry but I'm available for the time being. Please try again at another time."

What if mechanics felt this way? "Man! I'm doing 9 oil changes a day, but only feel like doing 3. I know! I'll triple my rates and cut down on the hagglers and low ballers.

Ladies, you don't have to be 'available' 24-7 (you aren't available like that anyway...I know because I've tried).

But, but, but, but, but, but.....they'll say in another thread, "I'm low volume. I only see ___ guys a day or ___ in a week."

OK, really? Then why are these 'low volume' ladies RAISING RATES AS A DETERRENT! Shouldn't your phone be off once you've met your quota? If I call you after the quota, I should get nothing but voice mail.

Guys, have you ever tried to talk to a provider about anything OTHER THAN making an appointment?? You can't, can you, because if you are, you're 'wasting her time'....because the phone could ring 'at any time' for an appointment...even though she's 'low volume'.

Just saying.


I could say more, but I'm going to stop right here.

[Charlotte Breeze]

Originally Posted by Rambro Creed

When a provider has met her 'quota' for the day, what's so hard about turning her hobby phone off? Raising one's rates because the phone 'rings off the hook' is just an excuse to raise them. Why can't she have a message set up on her phone that says something like, "Hi, I'm____. I'm sorry but I'm available for the time being. Please try again at another time."

What if mechanics felt this way? "Man! I'm doing 9 oil changes a day, but only feel like doing 3. I know! I'll triple my rates and cut down on the hagglers and low ballers.

Ladies, you don't have to be 'available' 24-7 (you aren't available like that anyway...I know because I've tried).

But, but, but, but, but, but.....they'll say in another thread, "I'm low volume. I only see ___ guys a day or ___ in a week."

OK, really? Then why are these 'low volume' ladies RAISING RATES AS A DETERRENT! Shouldn't your phone be off once you've met your quota? If I call you after the quota, I should get nothing but voice mail.

Guys, have you ever tried to talk to a provider about anything OTHER THAN making an appointment?? You can't, can you, because if you are, you're 'wasting her time'....because the phone could ring 'at any time' for an appointment...even though she's 'low volume'.

Just saying.


I could say more, but I'm going to stop right here.

.... Because basic economics? Would you work 8 hour days when you only have to work 3 because, what? That's the "noble" thing to do? You can just go home after 8 hours instead of 3, right? And while you're at it, you should make only as much, and preferably less in those 8 hours as you would three. Sounds like a fun deal, doesn't it?

Come on... If you feel like ladies should have low rates so you can see them, just say it. Don't pretend like you don't understand why someone would rather make twice the money for half the work when they can. Unless you're prepared to back it up with how you've turned down every promotion and are happily still working the broom at the sawmill like you did when you were 15... No. You worked hard, developed skills, and took the money when you and whoever was paying you agreed that you were worth X more dollars to keep you around. We ladies are no different.

And by the way, Mechanics just hire more mechanics when they don't have enough hands for the job. Pretty sure sending another girl in my place cause I'm just so darn busy not taking advantage of basic economics is a huge no no here, lol

As for those low volume ladies? Again, why in the world would a woman field 50 calls and emails for her two free hours a week when she could just deal with 20 by upping her rate, and make more money while she's at it? Again... You wanting to spend less does not change the absolute plethora of ways this business can and will be run. You wanting to spend less isn't going to make her think she should make less money or do more work. You wanting to spend less will not suddenly make women turn down better opportunities.

Just sayin... Don't take it harsh, it's just hard to believe someone who can do this wouldn't grasp the basic concepts of business. We are a finite resource. Like athletes, or musicians, the show can only go on if we are there. This isn't about meeting a "quota", this is about only being able to be in so many places at one time, and making the most of the opportunity given to you. I just... Clearly need to go to bed. Because I can't wrap my mind around how you would even believe your argument of "if the lady was smart, she would turn down money in order to do more work and take on more risk"...

[Randall Creed]

Originally Posted by Charlotte Breeze

.... Because basic economics? Would you work 8 hour days when you only have to work 3 because, what? That's the "noble" thing to do? You can just go home after 8 hours instead of 3, right? And while you're at it, you should make only as much, and preferably less in those 8 hours as you would three. Sounds like a fun deal, doesn't it?

Well, the difference in us guys working and you providers working is that we work for a higher authority and don't set our own hours. We don't collect all the money from our labor, and we pay taxes. If I could work 3 hours a day and make what I would in 8 hours, I would do it. But I can't walk up to my boss and say, "You were paying me $15 an hour before, but get this. I want to work for $45 an hour and only work a total of 25 hours a week instead of 40. Or, how about this. I take Monday and Tuesday off, and you still pay me for the entire week? Deal? OK. See ya Wednesday."

Come on... If you feel like ladies should have low rates so you can see them, just say it. Don't pretend like you don't understand why someone would rather make twice the money for half the work when they can. Unless you're prepared to back it up with how you've turned down every promotion and are happily still working the broom at the sawmill like you did when you were 15... No. You worked hard, developed skills, and took the money when you and whoever was paying you agreed that you were worth X more dollars to keep you around. We ladies are no different.

[COLOR="rgb(0, 100, 0)"]I'm not saying ladies should have 'low' rates. The $250 is a fair hourly rate, especially considering that it doesn't take any skill to be a provider. You didn't pay for any certification, didn't go to a school, etc to learn how to be a provider. The only other people who make this kind of money are high level executives and other professionals who went to school for 4-6 years, paid tuition or some kind of fee(s) to earn the right such money. The money they make afterwards, some of it goes back to paying off student loans. Hell, I'm still paying off student loans. Providers basically woke up one day and decided to be a provider, and in the process picked a number to charge guys to see you. Some rates, I'm quite sure, are based on comparative/competitive pricing (I'm hotter than her, and she's getting $300. I should get more).[/COLOR]

And by the way, Mechanics just hire more mechanics when they don't have enough hands for the job. Pretty sure sending another girl in my place cause I'm just so darn busy not taking advantage of basic economics is a huge no no here, lol

Maybe they would hire extra hands, but they also wouldn't complain about 'too much business' AND wouldn't raise their fees to thwart it. Mechanics work consistent hours, and only accept business per day that they can fit in those hours. They're not available to answer phones at particular times for oil changes, because they have time quota to work in.


As for those low volume ladies? Again, why in the world would a woman field 50 calls and emails for her two free hours a week when she could just deal with 20 by upping her rate, and make more money while she's at it? Again... You wanting to spend less does not change the absolute plethora of ways this business can and will be run. You wanting to spend less isn't going to make her think she should make less money or do more work. You wanting to spend less will not suddenly make women turn down better opportunities.

Is the phone the only way to set up an appointment with you? No? Would it NOT be easier to say in your showcase, PM or EMAIL me first, then I'll give you my number after screening? That way you're not taking in 50 calls a day. You're only taking in 2-5 or whatever, based on whichever emails/PM's you choose to answer. Number can be given away after screening. That way, you're not dealing with 50 calls a day. Waiting all day on the phone to ring is a BP tactic (they usually don't have emails, unless they're on a site like this).

Just sayin... Don't take it harsh, it's just hard to believe someone who can do this wouldn't grasp the basic concepts of business. We are a finite resource. Like athletes, or musicians, the show can only go on if we are there. This isn't about meeting a "quota", this is about only being able to be in so many places at one time, and making the most of the opportunity given to you. I just... Clearly need to go to bed. Because I can't wrap my mind around how you would even believe your argument of "if the lady was smart, she would turn down money in order to do more work and take on more risk"...

Not taking it harsh at all. I'm just busting a gaping hole in this 'high rate means less calls' assertion that some of you try to throw out there

Let's say your rate is $1,000 an hour, and 6 guys call, and your day is so open that you can conceivably take all 6. All are perfect gentlemen, would easily pass screening, and are great tippers. But your 'finite quota' is 2 a day max. Are you going to turn down $4,000? Would you be upset that you're getting 'so many calls'? Would you consider raising your rates again, because a 'measly' $1,000 isn't really deterring enough guys? Would you be upset if you got 10 calls?

Rates are based PARTIALLY on the fact that women know GUYS ARE FOOLS. In another thread like this, I asked the ladies if there was anything that they'd pay $300-400 an hour to RENT, something that they don't get to keep. The consensus was NO.

Guys are fools. Ladies know this.

No hurry. I'll wait until you wake up and is nice and rested to answer.

[Old-T]

Rambo, I think you are miscategorizing things quite a lot.

If you consider the ladies to be in the entertainment profession, which I think is closer to the truth than comparing them to an office worker or laborer, then the issue would be comparing them to musicians and actors and basketball players. If you do that, the education/licensing arguments carry less weight.

Additionally they are similar to those professions (and lawyers) in that hours in prep outweigh contact hours, so the true hourly rate is a fraction of what you see.