Off the Clock

[China Doll]

Are you kidding? I have been waiting for you this whole time! I figured you were busy attending to your modly duties, but now I know you are a NCNS. Expect punishment.

[charlestudor2005]

Now this thread has gone to the extremes:


Asking for OTC <-----------------------------> NCNS

[atlcomedy]

Originally Posted by charlestudor2005

Now this thread has gone to the extremes:


Asking for OTC <-----------------------------> NCNS

remind us Charles, what do you think of women that NCNS?

[charlestudor2005]

Originally Posted by atlcomedy

remind us Charles, what do you think of women that NCNS?

Well, I used to say they don't get a call. But these days, no one is getting a call, so I guess it really doesn't matter.

[Guest083011]

Originally Posted by China Doll

Are you kidding? I have been waiting for you this whole time! I figured you were busy attending to your modly duties, but now I know you are a NCNS. Expect punishment.

Modly duties? Yes. But a NC, NS? No sorry that is not my style. I have missed about three dates in my life. One was when another car wished to occupy the lane I was in. I made the phone call to my friend to say that the side of my car had just been redesigned. I ended up with a broken car AND blue balls. The other two times were when my SO joined me at the last minute to an out of town trip.

You can call me many things but do NOT call me a NC, NS. And don't call me late for dinner either!

All in jest but I really honor a calling to cancel dinner reservations or whatever. Someone can get a table, the restaurant can adjust ordering, or a lady can get another gentleman lusting after her the time I gave up (lunky guy). To not call is just plain rude.

[Naomi4u]

Edit: I didn't say that.

[Capt. Lincoln F. Stern]

Originally Posted by Camille

Charles, I don't really understand why your statement is specific to this industry? You could say that about any job. Take a highly paid lawyer and put him into another area of law where he is getting paid peanuts and you've got the same situation. It would require a change of lifestyle (and I'm not just talking about expensive clothes etc) and changing your goals (can you still afford to go to grad school? Can you still afford to put your kids in private school etc?), that most just don't want to commit to on a f/t basis. Is that wrong? Not if it works for them. My lawyer frequently gets asked by his clients to go to lunch/dinner etc. Sure he goes to one or two with his current and regular clients and he weighs the options of spending time with potential new clients that way but the latter is always contingent on retaining that person as a client. Would he give up billable hours to spend more non-paid time with clients? Hell no! Bottom line is money is a motivator to some degree for almost everyone. Now to what degree it motivates is another angle altogether...but your statement isn't exclusive by any means to jobs in the sex industry.

C x

Camille: I can use the industry I am in as a GREAT example, I am in the I.T. world, I do server admin, set up small offices on the side, fix, repair and upgrade machines, set them up etc... and I earn my living doing this. Should I not offer technical advice to people on here without asking for their billing information? Should I tell all my non technical friends that all advice is billable?

As posted you have to weigh what is being asked of you and using your knowledge of your craft whether the fix is a long drawn out one or a quick fix. You must use your knowledge of the person asking the question in a manner like this : do they know how to research it on their own? (google or libraries) do they know HOW to apply the solution or WHAT do to with the knowledge they find?

Sometimes my more technical friends will call me up because they are looking right at the answer but because they are thinking in "high tech" mode they do not see the simple answer.

I do not mind my non technical friends wanting to ask me questions or hanging out with me... I would not expect them to interfere with my job or prevent me from doing a side job to earn income.

If I was just hanging out with a lady on a friend basis, say we went to the mall, and she got a call for an appointment. I would make it a point to get her back to her place so she could keep the appointment but she would need to tell the caller that she might need a few minutes to get home and freshen up. Once she has that confirmed, we are leaving where ever we are at and I am dropping her off so she can fulfill her agreement.

I would not hang around, but would ask her to call me once the visit was over if the guy was not a regular just for a safe call.

But back to technical stuff.... I usually do not quote a price for anything until I know what I am dealing with. Sometimes my fee's are weird, like buy me a burger at the BK if the fix was a wrong setting or 10-20 bucks for the gas... but if its a serious issue, well then the fee gets different but I will tell you up front what the issue is, what the fix is, what I would charge for it and give you a chance to say yay or nay. if you refuse to let me work on it, then you owe me nothing.

So if you get right down to it, everyone on here has a skill set or 3, and everything is billable. But that should not prevent 2 people from just hanging out and getting an ice cream or a lunch. Guy picks a lady up for dinner, pays for dinner and drops her off at her place... total time from pick up to drop off, say 3 hours.. she got fed on his dime instead of her going out and getting food.

[Camille]

I'm sure it was Amanda (and forgive me if I'm wrong) that made the following statement about escorting:

"It's fast money, but it's never easy money."

Understanding that the statement is open to interpretation, I believe there is a LOT of mileage in that simple sentence. Whether the "never easy" bit relates to the planning and co-ordination of a trip, having to co-ordinate and often live two seperate lives, screen clients, dealing with the odd asshole here or there, dealing with asshole women here and there, having a wife/SO contact you.. the list goes on and on and on...is dependent on each woman's experiences. So no, it's not easy money...but it sure as hell is fast.
With time and experience, many women learn how to navigate the bumpy parts of this industry to make it smoother.

OTC time and Camille? I'm picky because my time is very limited. I usually initiate it to avoid any awkwardness on the clients part.
I have spent OTC time with 3 gents on this board and would again. All were a riot and only 1 has been a client. I would hang with these guys had I met them ordinarly (i.e. not under my nom de plume) because I truly enjoyed their company. I felt comfortable being me with all of them and to be honest had a right laugh. One inparticular was the best night I had out in ages..and was worth the hangover and missed opportunity for appts the next day. Sometimes it just works that way. But I am careful with my time. This is not my full-time job and takes up about 35% of my time...so I may ALL my selections within that 35% carefully..paid or otherwise. Come and spend a fortnight with me Charles, I will show you (honestly) what goes into planning a 3 day trip, come with me and then tell me at the end that no skill set is required...REGARDLESS of what I do or do not do in addition to this. Then we'll talk. To assume that because a woman escorts means she is not capable of doing anything else is Dickensian. And on that note Charles..bah humbug

[atlcomedy]

Originally Posted by Camille

. One inparticular was the best night I had out in ages..and was worth the hangover and missed opportunity for appts the next day.

That is class. You are on a tour and you won't accept a date because you weren't at your best. Many a gal will take the call & show up at 30%.

Your sig line, "Never make someone that considers you an option a priority," is very appropriate to this discussion (I think on both sides).

I totally understand that someone that PMs me about drinks OTC may call me that afternoon and say, "Gotta date/next time"

By the same token I've called and said (to an OTC date), "Sorry I have had a meeting come up and I can't get away for a long lunch."

On both sides there is a maturity that understands, "Hey if it works out, great. If not there is always next time." (lets not forget most of us guys have lives, too)

Bottomline...OTC really is an option that one or both parties have, nothing more....

[charlestudor2005]

Originally Posted by Camille

Come and spend a fortnight with me Charles, I will show you (honestly) what goes into planning a 3 day trip, come with me and then tell me at the end that no skill set is required...REGARDLESS of what I do or do not do in addition to this. Then we'll talk. To assume that because a woman escorts means she is not capable of doing anything else is Dickensian. And on that note Charles..bah humbug

You're talking through your hat with this invitation. Besides, if you assume I don't have a fortnight to spare, you are correct.

Originally Posted by atlcomedy

Your sig line, "Never make someone that considers you an option a priority," is very appropriate to this discussion (I think on both sides).

I'm not sure I agree with this (possibly). But, for the sake of argument, picking an escort is always an optional process, even if an ATF is involved. If you have the $$$ and the time, then (depending on your location), you may have quite a few ladies from which to choose. Each lady is an option.

Having said that, a gent sees much fewer ladies than most ladies see gents (in number). So, clearly, the ladies regard gents as options more than the gents do.

Which brings me to a point: I've never met an escort that considered me a priority, and it's hard to believe the gents think that way either. That's why the old saw exists: I don't pay her for her time; I pay her to leave me alone after she leaves.

[Doove]

Originally Posted by atlcomedy

That is class. You are on a tour and you won't accept a date because you weren't at your best. Many a gal will take the call & show up at 30%.

Your sig line, "Never make someone that considers you an option a priority," is very appropriate to this discussion (I think on both sides).

Atl, would this fit your definition of "white-knighting" per chance?

[atlcomedy]

Originally Posted by charlestudor2005

Which brings me to a point: I've never met an escort that considered me a priority, and it's hard to believe the gents think that way either. That's why the old saw exists: I don't pay her for her time; I pay her to leave me alone after she leaves.

But some are fun outside of BCD....maybe I have a second sense about me and view life as short...but the fact that she is an escort doesn't make her an unfun companion for a night on the town....

[Naomi4u]

Originally Posted by atlcomedy

But some are fun outside of BCD....maybe I have a second sense about me and view life as short...but the fact that she is an escort doesn't make her an unfun companion for a night on the town....

[atlcomedy]

Originally Posted by Doove

Atl, would this fit your definition of "white-knighting" per chance?

No I don't think anybody wants a hungover woman answering the door..

And I doubt I'm on Camille's short list these days...I've been critical of her viewpoint many a time...

[Doove]

Originally Posted by atlcomedy

But some are fun outside of BCD....maybe I have a second sense about me and view life as short...but the fact that she is an escort doesn't make her an unfun companion for a night on the town....

Yeah, but if that carries over on to the board, then it's "white knighting", eh Mr. Perfect?