'If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen'

[fetishfreak]

Wow this thread has now reached over 165 posts and you are all still arguing with Doove. He is saying that it is wrong that we should read so much into what one line of his statement really meant and you will argue with him. Then in another thread he took one line of a Romney sentence and read into it and you argued that he ignored the rest of the statement.

Funny, other than the fact that we disagree about the message of the whole speech, I agree that he has clearly gotten this one right and your inability to admit defeat is preventing you all from seeing it.

[CuteOldGuy]

I argue with Doove because it is entertaining. If you think he's right, fine. Thanks for your input.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by nevergaveitathought

You have your own singular approach to logic. It's neither linear nor lateral, but it is unfathomable. How you arrive at this construction defies all presently considered systems of reasoning and is beyond any heretofore known methodology of thought organization. Interesting, I'd say.

The Band, The Weight

[CuteOldGuy]

Listen, if you had read my posts over the long haul, you'd know I am usually the first to correct people when they intentionally take people out of context, even if I don't like the people. Remember when John Kerry said "If you're a C student, you get stuck in Iraq"? Everyone knew he wasn't talking about the military personnel over there, he was slamming Bush. I said so at the time, and I sure as hell didn't support John Kerry.

The fact is, the President's comments are in context. This wasn't a slip of the tongue. This is a standard line being used by Democrat candidates running for Senate and other offices. He has heard this line, and he has liked this line, and he agrees with this line. It is in context with his speech, and it is in context with the way he has conducted his administration. To say otherwise is to intentionally distort the facts.

The fact that his handlers didn't want him to say it is obvious. It reveals his complete devotion to socialist ideals. How anyone can say this President is anything other than socialist is beyond me. He was born to socialists, grew up with socialists, he joined the socialist "New Party", his friends were, and are, socialists. He is a socialist. Plain and simple.

It's not against the law to be socialist. If you're a socialist, be one. Support socialists if you want to. Campaign for them, vote for them, donate to them. It's all legal. Just don't try to say you are something other than socialist when that is what you are. If you think socialism is good for the country, make your case. Let's vote on it. Then we'll see.

I am not a socialist. I do not want him re-elected. When he reveals his true beliefs, as he did in this "off the prompter" moment, I, and others, will point that out. You got problems with it, talk to him. I didn't say it. He did.

[WTF]

And COG has spoken! Thank you O great wise one for clearing up what we poor humble folks were confused by!

[Doove]

Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

He meant what he said. I, unlike you, can see that.

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

He has heard this line, and he has liked this line, and he agrees with this line. It is in context with his speech, and it is in context with the way he has conducted his administration. To say otherwise is to intentionally distort the facts.

If you two truly believed what you say, this one sentence of his would be meaningless. One sentence, and you two sit there, huffing and puffing about it, desperate to use this one sentence (one sentence in 3-1/2 years of governing, i might add) and claim it proves what a bad guy socialist he is. It's a speck. Hell, it's not even a speck.

The correct answer is not "See? He's an evil socialist". The correct answer is "Maybe he didn't mean it that way but so what? He's still a socialist".

The fact you so strongly hang your hat on this one off the cuff half a speck of a remark speaks volumes about how intellectually honest you truly are about everything else you say about him, and how convincing, or rather, unconvincing, you think that all is.

I am not a socialist.

Oh? Then how do you explain the quote of yours that i have in my signature line? Sounds awfully socialist to me.

I think i know why you won't explain it away - because your only explanation is that i took it totally out of context. To which you know my response would be "BINGO! See how God-damned easy it is to do?"

And if i truly wanted to be an ass, i could very easily sit here and type on my computer, insisting i absolutely didn't take it out of context, and proceed to insult you, call you names, and tell everyone how stupid you are for thinking i did. That's pretty freakin' easy to do too. It is a direct quote of yours, after all. Exactly as my Romney quote is in another thread.

You're desperate, you're obstinate, and it's making you both look entirely foolish.

[CJ7]

when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative,

possibly the most confusing statement any president ever made


if youre a puke bucket partisan pos, that is.

[essence]

I think Newton made some comment about his contributions being like just one grain of sand on a beach, or he was standing on the shoulders of others, or something similar.

I haven;t been on the forum for a couple of weeks - can't say I am inclined to read everything to catch up.

[CuteOldGuy]

Originally Posted by WTF

And COG has spoken! Thank you O great wise one for clearing up what we poor humble folks were confused by!

You're welcome. Glad to help.

[CuteOldGuy]

Ok, Doofie wants me to explain the quote of mine he has in his signature line. I guess I'll have to get my "splainer" out again.



Ok. Listen closely. Doofie, you took a sentence from a post of mine which was overtly written as facetious, and the context clearly showed that, and anyone who knows me understands that. To take it out of context is a blatant attempt to portray what I said in completely different light, and clearly distorts the meaning of the post.

You do that to support your idea that the quote from Obama is out of context with what he said, even thought it was not overtly facetious, and was not inconsistent with the rest of his statement, nor what we already know about him. We know that he made the statement off-prompter, and when he got back on prompter, his remarks did not differ much, if at all, from his off-prompter remarks. When he went off-prompter, we were able to see who he really is a little more clearly.

Then you think you have won the argument, when it is clear that you have not. You have simply made yourself look like the foolish Obamaton that you are. Which if fine. It is legal to be a foolish Obamaton. God knows, there are plenty of them out there and in here.

This is what led me to understand that incident from your childhood, which I related earlier. You really should try to get that issue resolved, before you make yourself sound any more foolish as you do here.

There. Feel better ?

[WTF]

Clearly COG is the arbitrator of all intent . He and a few others on here know what people mean before they say it. Thank you COG and your merry band of perfect minions.I think we should just let COG and his all knowing Tea nuts speak for us all. My dream is they someday rule the country and tell us all exactly what we think thereby securing that elusive freedom for all, he so rants about

[WTF]

Originally Posted by Doove

Funny, i would think the people like you and Olivia, who claim to be put off by the extremes on both sides, would agree with my point about a President (or any politician, really) not being able to speak without the threat of one measly off the cuff sentence in the middle of a lengthy speech being used in this way.

People like Olivia can claim to be above it all as much as she wants. She's not.

LOL, we can only dream... Doove, if you or I or Obama saved the Pope from a fire in the Vatacian, their headline would be ' WTF saves boss of pedophile ring! ' There is no common ground nor common sense with this crew. You are wasting your time with this bunch. Be like trying to defend the witches in Salem. These folks have no gray between their ears, nothing but black and white. We are evil in their mind. I can live with dat!!

[Doove]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

You do that to support your idea that the quote from Obama is out of context with what he said, even thought it was not overtly facetious, and was not inconsistent with the rest of his statement,

Nope, it wasn't inconsistent with the rest of his statement.

In his statement, he mentioned "an american system that allowed you to thrive", he mentioned roads and bridges, he mentioned the formation of the internet, and he mentioned a business.

Out of those 4 items, only those with an irrational deep seated hatred of the guy could be willing to play dumb to the point of suggesting the one item he thinks a business person didn't build was the business person's own business.
Especially when a paragraph or two later he specifically credits the efforts of the business person.

That's just dumb. So if you wanna pretend to believe that, have at it, Genius.

[CuteOldGuy]

Enjoy the Kool Aid, Doofie, and be sure to share with WTF.

[nevergaveitathought]

Originally Posted by WTF

We are evil in their mind. I can live with dat!!

You aren't evil, you have a good-natured sense of humor which belies you as the source of it. You are mislead only and support those who do the misleading. Their motivations may or may not be honorable, fearful am I that it could stem from hate and rancor and covetousness and jealousy or perceived past wrongs or in some, guilt, but not a personal guilt only some universal guilt, the payment for which is required in ways they are not truly affected, which then looks past means when ends are all that matters. And their ends end in chains.